The Best High school Offensive System

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dragoncoach56 wrote:Boon it pains me to admit it but we got more in common than different


I just have a thing for punishing linebackers. :lol: :122249


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And watching a good tailback hit the seam that brute creates huh


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That's just the gravy, I just like watching those tough guy lb's start taking 2-3 steps back when the ball's hiked. War of attrition, and pain is the greatest motivator. :mrgreen:


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spead definatly


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hammerdown wrote:
boilermaker wrote:Whatever fits youre athletes any given year . In high school I beleive you have to adjust to what you have year in year out.


very good point.

my favotites are the wing-t and the spread.


same here with a good fast QB who is a threat to run it out of each.


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Having an athlete who can run a bit at QB makes any offensive system better.


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personel is a major factor but..i think u can run any offense if u get the entire program into from highschool down to pee wee....i think if u have good coaches u can teach just about anyone to pass....offense wise i think it should be a mix of things..i think in every offense you should have a wishbone package....and a pro set package..but i'd set my offense up as spread...i know u need speed to run spread but if u dnt have speed throw the ball.. if u want to be good in this area run the ball well...if u want to be great in the state as a team u have to be able to pass .....balance is the best way...look at state champs in past.. thats why i say u cant just run the wishbone and expect to be good... and u cant throw every down like bloom carrol they suck every year.....balance....is key....spread pro set and wishbone packages....best offense u can have in high school


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I understand that you do need some balance, but at the smaller divisions, you can be a team dominated by the run and still win. D6 state champs Delphos St. John (an I-form option team) beat Hopewell Loudon (a spread team). D5 Champs Youngstown Ursline (ran I-formation majority of the time) beat Liberty Benton (a spread team). D4 Kettering Alter (a wishbone option team) beat Stebenville (spread team). So you don't have to be a spread to win it all, its about personel and defense.


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On offense, its all about personel. Run the system that fits your kids. As Sider mentioned, running teams are as or usually more successful in high school.

Its all about defense. Problem locally is play a spread team that is comparable to the teams you see up north. When a local team runs into one, they are not ready to play against it. Spread teams that make it that far usually have several good athletes out wide with an good/experienced QB. The defenses usually end up playing a loose zone in which the spread team picks them apart because they don't have enough kids that have played in space to feel comfortable playing man or aggressive. That is why Bellaire got the best of Ironton for instance.

In my opinion though if you look at football from High school, to college, to pro; defenses are getting smaller and smaller, softer and softer. This flag football game that's being played will run its course and aggressive/running/power football will come some.


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There are a lot good comments on this topic.


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siderman wrote:On offense, its all about personel. Run the system that fits your kids. As Sider mentioned, running teams are as or usually more successful in high school.

Its all about defense. Problem locally is play a spread team that is comparable to the teams you see up north. When a local team runs into one, they are not ready to play against it. Spread teams that make it that far usually have several good athletes out wide with an good/experienced QB. The defenses usually end up playing a loose zone in which the spread team picks them apart because they don't have enough kids that have played in space to feel comfortable playing man or aggressive. That is why Bellaire got the best of Ironton for instance.

In my opinion though if you look at football from High school, to college, to pro; defenses are getting smaller and smaller, softer and softer. This flag football game that's being played will run its course and aggressive/running/power football will come some.

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I like the Double-Wing! With throwing the ball 10-12 times a game as well!


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Double wing is a very good offense. You can most of the wing-t plays out of it and you can run many various (Midline, Belly, Trap) option plays out of it.


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The system to be used has to be one that the coaches know well. The decision maker has to understand progressions and know how to set plays up and which plays set the table for the next. The coach has to make the defense commit to stopping a certain play and then hit them to the next play in the line of progression for that series.

A coach cannot just pick plays out of a hat randomly!

For example using the wing-t, the coach needs to run the drive off tackle and run it a few times to set up the drive option, etc

Or if using the veer, you have to run the veer to set up the veer pass or counter option.

I am not saying that a coach should run the drive OT and immediately following that run the Drive Keep and then the Drive Option in that order, every series.


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How About the Side-Saddle T. Anybody run that anymore?


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The T or the I is the best offensive systems. They are very simple to learn and depending on your personel you can modifiy them to go along with your players without changing your system year in and year out.


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I like the I, the way Logan ran it in the 2007 season, It had a great balance, and as the season progressed, it looked from the stands like the blocking was based more on zone principles than man principles, which added to its strength.


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boogerred wrote:The system to be used has to be one that the coaches know well. The decision maker has to understand progressions and know how to set plays up and which plays set the table for the next. The coach has to make the defense commit to stopping a certain play and then hit them to the next play in the line of progression for that series.

A coach cannot just pick plays out of a hat randomly!

For example using the wing-t, the coach needs to run the drive off tackle and run it a few times to set up the drive option, etc

Or if using the veer, you have to run the veer to set up the veer pass or counter option.

I am not saying that a coach should run the drive OT and immediately following that run the Drive Keep and then the Drive Option in that order, every series.


Thats why option offenses and offense based off of motion or misdirection works so well it
High School. Typically your average player doesn't have enough knowledge about the game to know why a coach runs a certain play, let alone what play they will run off it, and even if they do a lot 4-4's and 4-3's (some 5-3's for that matter) let linebackers read off of flow this is why a play series like out of the wing-t works so well: a 2 trap to the Fullback, a 6 trap to Halfback, and a 7 trap with the quarterback keeping the ball after faking the 2 and 6 traps, usually always fools linebackers and safeties.


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Believe me, i know the "buck" series. A very wise coach I know once said the waggle is the best play in football. I agree with him to an extent, but I just prefer the drive series!

sider wrote:
Thats why option offenses and offense based off of motion or misdirection works so well it
High School. Typically your average player doesn't have enough knowledge about the game to know why a coach runs a certain play, let alone what play they will run off it, and even if they do a lot 4-4's and 4-3's (some 5-3's for that matter) let linebackers read off of flow this is why a play series like out of the wing-t works so well: a 2 trap to the Fullback, a 6 trap to Halfback, and a 7 trap with the quarterback keeping the ball after faking the 2 and 6 traps, usually always fools linebackers and safeties.


On film I have actually seen linebackers collide with each other against the "6 trap" as you call it. I about fell over laughing when I saw it! Just about as funny as seeing two guards pulling into each other! :mrgreen:


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The one that will get you to state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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