SOC realignment

[Jeremy ghs05]

Oak hill needs to move to soc 2 there school size is a lot bigger than green and the rest of soc1

[osu 77]

I think the SOC is in trouble the next couple years. The league should have voted Ironton and Portsmouth in when they had a chance.

[king kong]

You have 12 football playing schools, SOC I Notre Dame 48, East 59, Green 73 boys, Eastern 75, Symmes Valley 95, Oak Hill 152, Northwest 157.

SOC II Valley 128, Wheelersburg 147, Minford 175, West 184, Waverly 217.

You can only move 1 football school up to SOC II and that is Oak Hill. You cant have 7 and 5, unless you add and if Manchester comes in, Oak Hill has to move up.

[art_vandelay]

I think the SOC is in trouble the next couple years. The league should have voted Ironton and Portsmouth in when they had a chance.

Trouble as in non-competitive? Or trouble as in schools leaving? Only possibilities of schools ever leaving I see would be Symmes Valley (OVC), Oak Hill (OVC) or Waverly (SVC). I agree though that Portsmouth/Ironton probably should be in SOC, but also understand certain schools' reasons for being against it.*

[Orange and Brown]

You have 12 football playing schools, SOC I Notre Dame 48, East 59, Green 73 boys, Eastern 75, Symmes Valley 95, Oak Hill 152, Northwest 157.

SOC II Valley 128, Wheelersburg 147, Minford 175, West 184, Waverly 217.

You can only move 1 football school up to SOC II and that is Oak Hill. You cant have 7 and 5, unless you add and if Manchester comes in, Oak Hill has to move up.

You can have 7 and 5. It's not ideal but it's not impossible.

[king kong]

weeks 3, 4, and 5 non conference are a bear to find, especially competitive games.

[Crab's Brother]

I think the SOC is in trouble the next couple years. The league should have voted Ironton and Portsmouth in when they had a chance.

The SOC has thrived without either school and they will continue to do so. Ironton and Portsmouth need the SOC a whole helluva lot more than the other way around.

[Orange and Brown]

weeks 3, 4, and 5 non conference are a bear to find, especially competitive games.

The TVC Ohio has 7 teams and every team fills their non conference schedule. Yes, it can be a challenge for the teams who have their open week later in the season but it is doable.
NY plays their non conference games weeks 1,2,3,5

[greygoose]

Manchester has played green, Norte dame, and symmes valley the last few years.

Add East to that list as well. Haven't last 2 years I believe it is.

North Adams and west union now have football programs but are both club programs. They could get Fayetteville along with Manchester to form a shac football league in the next 2-3 years

Yeah I've heard that, heard Manchester could find itself in the SOC for a short amount of time. Until Peebles, West Union and North Adams all get their teams up and going and are not club teams them Fayetteville would probably be brought into the mix. There's at least 4 games out of the year that could really cut down on the drive time for all those teams involved.

[osu 77]

I think the SOC is in trouble the next couple years. The league should have voted Ironton and Portsmouth in when they had a chance.

The SOC has thrived without either school and they will continue to do so. Ironton and Portsmouth need the SOC a whole helluva lot more than the other way around.

I disagree there are not enough SOCII teams in the league anymore.

[4thgoal]

I disagree there are not enough SOCII teams in the league anymore.

There are enough SOCII teams, just not all of them are playing in the SOCII right now. As a group, they need to force teams to move where they belong and then all is well.

[ArntonFartinTiger]

you SOC people crack me up, a decade ago you all would never have heard of having Ironton or Portsmouth in your league. They were too good then. Now you all are clamoring to have them in your league, if they were to come in and in 5 years time become dominant again what would you all do then? Kick them out?

[ArntonFartinTiger]

How many times has Portsmouth been denied entry to the SOC? Just curious.

[greygoose]

you SOC people crack me up, a decade ago you all would never have heard of having Ironton or Portsmouth in your league. They were too good then. Now you all are clamoring to have them in your league, if they were to come in and in 5 years time become dominant again what would you all do then? Kick them out?

I don't believe anyone is "clamoring" for Ironton or Portsmouth. The guys with the actual power in the SOC really could care less if they wanted Portsmouth they would've already had them in there, they've even turned Portsmouth down during their down years they've had for about last 10 years now. Ironton until someone mentioned it on here I've never heard being associated with SOC just simple talk. SOC is simply content in where they stand, you guys get all worked up about the fact that Oak Hill and Northwest have X-amount of kids vs other SOC schools. Northwest was moved for competitive reasons plain and simple, and how did Northwest do this year? 1-9. So they belong exactly where they're at they haven't out grown SOCI teams from a competitive stand point, how many kids are on the team?? They've got less kids with that many more student bodies then some of the others in the division.

Oak Hill I can see an argument for, seen there game against Eastern and they must've had 3-4 times the amount of kids dressed compared to Eastern. Do I think they can compete with SOCII probably not yet but with those types of numbers I think they could develop into a team that could be competitive.

[BigBlueNation]

you SOC people crack me up, a decade ago you all would never have heard of having Ironton or Portsmouth in your league. They were too good then. Now you all are clamoring to have them in your league, if they were to come in and in 5 years time become dominant again what would you all do then? Kick them out?

I don't believe anyone is "clamoring" for Ironton or Portsmouth. The guys with the actual power in the SOC really could care less if they wanted Portsmouth they would've already had them in there, they've even turned Portsmouth down during their down years they've had for about last 10 years now. Ironton until someone mentioned it on here I've never heard being associated with SOC just simple talk. SOC is simply content in where they stand, you guys get all worked up about the fact that Oak Hill and Northwest have X-amount of kids vs other SOC schools. Northwest was moved for competitive reasons plain and simple, and how did Northwest do this year? 1-9. So they belong exactly where they're at they haven't out grown SOCI teams from a competitive stand point, how many kids are on the team?? They've got less kids with that many more student bodies then some of the others in the division.

Oak Hill I can see an argument for, seen there game against Eastern and they must've had 3-4 times the amount of kids dressed compared to Eastern. Do I think they can compete with SOCII probably not yet but with those types of numbers I think they could develop into a team that could be competitive.

Northwest was way down in Numbers and had a lot of injuries this past season. They have some good numbers and a lot of talent coming up. They'll have to move back up.

[greygoose]

you SOC people crack me up, a decade ago you all would never have heard of having Ironton or Portsmouth in your league. They were too good then. Now you all are clamoring to have them in your league, if they were to come in and in 5 years time become dominant again what would you all do then? Kick them out?

I don't believe anyone is "clamoring" for Ironton or Portsmouth. The guys with the actual power in the SOC really could care less if they wanted Portsmouth they would've already had them in there, they've even turned Portsmouth down during their down years they've had for about last 10 years now. Ironton until someone mentioned it on here I've never heard being associated with SOC just simple talk. SOC is simply content in where they stand, you guys get all worked up about the fact that Oak Hill and Northwest have X-amount of kids vs other SOC schools. Northwest was moved for competitive reasons plain and simple, and how did Northwest do this year? 1-9. So they belong exactly where they're at they haven't out grown SOCI teams from a competitive stand point, how many kids are on the team?? They've got less kids with that many more student bodies then some of the others in the division.

Oak Hill I can see an argument for, seen there game against Eastern and they must've had 3-4 times the amount of kids dressed compared to Eastern. Do I think they can compete with SOCII probably not yet but with those types of numbers I think they could develop into a team that could be competitive.

Northwest was way down in Numbers and had a lot of injuries this past season. They have some good numbers and a lot of talent coming up. They'll have to move back up.

I can't recall how many times I've heard that exact statement from people in regards to Northwest and what they have coming up. Yet, somehow it has yet to come true, was said of some teams in the 90s who still weren't able to beat Burg or Waverly. If they ever get to where they can compete year in and year out then sure they need moved back. Simply putting together 1 solid year every 20 years isn't justification in my mind nor is it in the SOC's otherwise they wouldn't have been moved in the 1st place.

[Bucks06]

TVC just added Warren in football only no way they would add the Oaks. And people said Valley wouldn't be able to compete either when they moved up.

When did Warren get accepted into the TVC? I haven't heard this.

[Omega]

I know this is a non starter, as conference gold balls are coveted in Ohio high school football, but is it time for the OHSAA to consider district play?

[thebarlowbandit]

TVC just added Warren in football only no way they would add the Oaks. And people said Valley wouldn't be able to compete either when they moved up.

When did Warren get accepted into the TVC? I haven't heard this.

They haven't, and it will not happen any time soon

[ColdHardTruth]

Northwest remains a large part of the problem as they were moved back to allow for "restructuring" of their program to allow them to compete.
The problem with this is do Notre Dame and Green get to step back to "restructure" their programs? NO, They just have to take lumps for a few years until another competitive team comes along.
Put Northwest back in SOC2. Make them play in their conference. If you can't compete.. TUFF Ask Notre Dame and Green for advice on how to keep your program alive when you have year after year of setbacks.