Does the "Cut and Run" philosophy work all the time?

[Howard Cosell]

Some schools leave conference affiliations for greener pastures. Does this always work? Are some of the schools looking for better gates as opposed to wins? How has this worked out as well? Considering some schools that will be changing leagues soon, what do you expect?

[Heavy D]

A few people on here claim this has no bearing on a teams wins or losses. However, they are in an extemely small minority. The rest of us I think have come to a consensus that it can very well make a difference. Especially if a team is going to a league with schools much smaller than the league they are leaving. I think it can also have a bearing on attendance if the team starts to win because of the move.

[cg 22]

I think anytime you are a bigger school in a small conference it is going to help. Look at Trimble for example one of the biggest schools in the hocking. They won the hocking last year but never won a game against a non tvc school. I understand why they voted against Belpre and Wahama coming into the hocking. Why would you want to play a school your own size if you don't have to.

[L.R. Faires]

I believe the Cats beat Belpre last year. Also if you look at our non-league schedule you will find we play teams that are almost always bigger.

[I smell bad]

I think anytime you are a bigger school in a small conference it is going to help. Look at Trimble for example one of the biggest schools in the hocking. They won the hocking last year but never won a game against a non tvc school. I understand why they voted against Belpre and Wahama coming into the hocking. Why would you want to play a school your own size if you don't have to.

First of all, Trimble did not vote against Belpre coming into the league. They didn't vote against Wahama either, but they did raise the concern that Wahama would make it an odd numbered league that could cause scheduling problems. Trimble was not afraid to schedule Belpre even before they came into the league. So while Southern was playing teams like Hannan, Trimble was scheduling Belpre, Crooksville, Fort Loramie, Fairland, Oak Hill, Shadyside, Nelsonville etc... Trimble also wanted to continue a series with Wahama a few years ago, but Wahama had scheduling problems with that and the series ended. Belpre and FH are both bigger than Trimble. The other schools are within 10-15 or so boys, and are all in the same division as Trimble. So your childish jab makes no sense, nor contains any facts. One thing is, your team has had three winning seasons in the history of the school. Trimble has long dreamed of you dropping out of the league so that your 1-9, 2-8... type records wouldn't continue to plague us in the computer ratings. We also would like to have a league assigner for officials. But schools like Southern continue to complain about this topic even being brought up. The lastest excuse is that if we have a league assigner the board at Southern will cut the AD position. So the crying and complaining continues so that you can continue to get the home town boys to officiate your games. So go back over to the basketball forum where you have some credibility and leave the football discussion to those who do more than just win a few games against the smallest WV teams you can get to play you now and then.

[Purple&Yellow Pride]

Southern is currently working on rebuilding the old SVAC. Not sure if it's cut and run if you go back form whence you came. Prelimnary talks have league members at Southern, Eastern, Hannan, and Manchester. If this flies, I think they would look at adding two more teams before leaving the TVC. I know the administartion at Southern well and they have mentioned that they would love to add Miller and Ohio Valley Christain.

[Cougar Lover]

Southern is currently working on rebuilding the old SVAC. Not sure if it's cut and run if you go back form whence you came. Prelimnary talks have league members at Southern, Eastern, Hannan, and Manchester. If this flies, I think they would look at adding two more teams before leaving the TVC. I know the administartion at Southern well and they have mentioned that they would love to add Miller and Ohio Valley Christain.

I would love to see SG and RV join this league too. Has anyone contacted those two. I think if this goes Gallia County schools can dominate this league. Great idea if you can get it done.

[moonshine]

I miss understood! This is about Athens doing the "cut and run" Right?

Guy's remenber this past year Athens was D II the same as Logan!

[cg 22]

Wow the newspaper said they voted against Belpre and Wahama coming into the leauge so someone is not telling the truth.

[LoganElm_grad09]

It's a matter of situation; some situations need change and others do not. Let's take Athens for example (because their situation is probably the best known). In the SEOAL, they were dominated in football because the league was tough. They move to the TVC and have a great year. Better record draws bigger crowds, school makes more money. The problem is postseason play. Athens would have to go 9-1 to have a shot at playoffs most years in the TVC, and even if they get to playoffs they face a level of talent in DII playoffs than TVC.

Short term, yes it's a boost. However, long term may hurt because you begin to be accustomed to playing DIV, DV, and maybe DVI teams after DII, DIII, DIV and postseason records start to lesson.

Again, it's situational so there's no one simple answer.

[I smell bad]

Wow the newspaper said they voted against Belpre and Wahama coming into the leauge so someone is not telling the truth.

So you believe everything you read in the newspaper? You must think the economy is great, and Obama is the savior then? As for the vote, I think I can say I have an inside track on how it went. I can tell you there was never any reservations from Trimble about letting Belpre in. Remember, Belpre and South Gallia came in together. At any rate, we were playing Belpre before they decided to change, and that contract would have continued to be renewed for as long as Belpre wanted it to.

[blubomber89]

You guys need to check the school census on students. The divisions with male sports are based on how many boys the school has, not how many students are in the school. Athens is division 2 by 6-10 boys. If you can honestly tell me that those 6-10 boys and probably 4 out of 6 boys play then you are right they cut and ran. Let's get real on this cut and run situation here, this past season Ahtens hd a special team and I think would have been very competitive in the SEAOL. Not saying they would have dominated but they had a very good team.

[Howard Cosell]

You guys need to check the school census on students. The divisions with male sports are based on how many boys the school has, not how many students are in the school. Athens is division 2 by 6-10 boys. If you can honestly tell me that those 6-10 boys and probably 4 out of 6 boys play then you are right they cut and ran. Let's get real on this cut and run situation here, this past season Ahtens hd a special team and I think would have been very competitive in the SEAOL. Not saying they would have dominated but they had a very good team.

Folks from At**ns are so full of themselves. No where in the title or in my original post did I mention the green and YELLOW. Yet you people insist on making these threads about you. There have been several exampoles of schools leacing for better situations. I just wanted to discuss the reasoning. Talk about a bunch of Narcissists...........

[cg 22]

Wow the newspaper said they voted against Belpre and Wahama coming into the leauge so someone is not telling the truth.

So you believe everything you read in the newspaper? You must think the economy is great, and Obama is the savior then? As for the vote, I think I can say I have an inside track on how it went. I can tell you there was never any reservations from Trimble about letting Belpre in. Remember, Belpre and South Gallia came in together. At any rate, we were playing Belpre before they decided to change, and that contract would have continued to be renewed for as long as Belpre wanted it to.

I think the newspaper is a little more believeable than you. They actually reported how each school voted. Your school voted no and you know it did.

[Howard Cosell]

Wow the newspaper said they voted against Belpre and Wahama coming into the leauge so someone is not telling the truth.

So you believe everything you read in the newspaper? You must think the economy is great, and Obama is the savior then? As for the vote, I think I can say I have an inside track on how it went. I can tell you there was never any reservations from Trimble about letting Belpre in. Remember, Belpre and South Gallia came in together. At any rate, we were playing Belpre before they decided to change, and that contract would have continued to be renewed for as long as Belpre wanted it to.

I think the newspaper is a little more believeable than you. They actually reported how each school voted. Your school voted no and you know it did.

Hey cg22....how is that SVAC project going?

[I smell bad]

Well now lets just see here. Trimble and Fed Hock already played Belpre before Belpre was voted into the league. Eastern has played Belpre, and so has Waterford. Trimble was in the middle of a multi year contract with Belpre at the time of the vote. So who would have more of a reason to vote no, Southern or Trimble?

Again, I have a direct connection with the votes coming out of Trimble, and I can tell you we wanted Belpre and Wahama in the league. To get Belpre, we had to accept South Gallia. No offense to them, but their travel issues the first time they approached the league was one thing that caused us some reservations about them. But we had none with Belpre.

Lets look at things logically. A 9 team league pretty much guarantees at least 1 team in the playoffs, and on many years 2 or 3 teams. Now I can understand why Southern would not care about that, since it would have to be a team placing in the top 3. But Trimble has a vested interest in that. There have been several years when Trimble won the league but didn't make the playoffs due to some teams in the league, I won't point any fingers, going 0-10, 1-9, 2-8... It was a no brainer for us to vote Belpre and Wahama in.

[Howard Cosell]

Well now lets just see here. Trimble and Fed Hock already played Belpre before Belpre was voted into the league. Eastern has played Belpre, and so has Waterford. Trimble was in the middle of a multi year contract with Belpre at the time of the vote. So who would have more of a reason to vote no, Southern or Trimble?

Again, I have a direct connection with the votes coming out of Trimble, and I can tell you we wanted Belpre and Wahama in the league. To get Belpre, we had to accept South Gallia. No offense to them, but their travel issues the first time they approached the league was one thing that caused us some reservations about them. But we had none with Belpre.

Lets look at things logically. A 9 team league pretty much guarantees at least 1 team in the playoffs, and on many years 2 or 3 teams. Now I can understand why Southern would not care about that, since it would have to be a team placing in the top 3. But Trimble has a vested interest in that. There have been several years when Trimble won the league but didn't make the playoffs due to some teams in the league, I won't point any fingers, going 0-10, 1-9, 2-8... It was a no brainer for us to vote Belpre and Wahama in.

Yes but Southern may actually approach 5-5 if they can get that SVAC thing going....

[blubomber89]

Let me clarify a few things for Mr. Cosell, I am not from Athens first off I am an observationist and I observe the things that go on aorund here in the sports realm. I come from up north where great footbal is played, And where powerhouses are built. But I feel like Athens is taking the fall for having a great season. You may not have said anything About Athens but we all know what you meant.

[Purple&Yellow Pride]

Let me clarify a few things for Mr. Cosell, I am not from Athens first off I am an observationist and I observe the things that go on aorund here in the sports realm. I come from up north where great footbal is played, And where powerhouses are built. But I feel like Athens is taking the fall for having a great season. You may not have said anything About Athens but we all know what you meant.

Who is "We"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? All this talk ain't important anyway until you win an almost championship....

[Heavy D]

You guys need to check the school census on students. The divisions with male sports are based on how many boys the school has, not how many students are in the school. Athens is division 2 by 6-10 boys. If you can honestly tell me that those 6-10 boys and probably 4 out of 6 boys play then you are right they cut and ran. Let's get real on this cut and run situation here, this past season Ahtens hd a special team and I think would have been very competitive in the SEAOL. Not saying they would have dominated but they had a very good team.

Folks from At**ns are so full of themselves. No where in the title or in my original post did I mention the green and YELLOW. Yet you people insist on making these threads about you. There have been several exampoles of schools leacing for better situations. I just wanted to discuss the reasoning. Talk about a bunch of Narcissists...........

Isn't every post on these forums somehow about Athens? Careful Howard or you may be labeled as a mean, nasty old "degrader of the accomplishments of children" like some others on here who will remain unmentioned here.