game of the week Oak Hill @ Symmes Valley

[MinFalcon]

Thanks Jesco, my point exactly.

[Bleeding Red]

Oak Hill has no shot what so ever at beating Ironton.
This game out at SV will be a slug fest. Should be a good one to take in. Alot on the line for both teams.
You can't look at previous games and previous scores in those games. It's all about match ups and styles.

I think you will be surprised when they lock up next week!

Ironton's defense has given up alot of yards against a good running team.

Defenses that are willing to put their nose on the ball and stop the run has given them fits.

Then again I have been completely wrong before too!

[Jason Vorhees]

Very true on the ppg part, but they hung up 67 on 1-6 Southeastern and 62 on 1-6 Manchester. And, that winning team Symmes Valley defeated is Eastern Meigs at 4-3. Oak Hill lost to Minford, who may very well end up at 9-1 or 10-0. Plus, Symmes Valley lost to Chesapeake 29-22, a team that Oak Hill defeated rather easily. Chesapeake has improved throughout the course of this season. No offense to Eastern Meigs, but Minford, Chesapeake, Alexander, Wellston and Notre Dame would probably all beat Eastern, given the chance to play them this year. I just don't buy into the Symmes hype. Every year, they seem to have a good record, and then you look at their schedule, and it comes to no surprise they nearly always have a winning record. Yes, I understand it's hard to find a quality opponent, considering that they're a DVI school in the SE Region of the state. Even last year during the regular season, their opponents total win loss record was 40-60 (excluding playoff wins and losses). In 2010, 37-63. In 2009, 37-63. In 2008, 41-59. In 2007, 44-57. By the way, in 2008 and 2007, Symmes had records of 5-5 and 3-7. Quality opponents mean everything. Has Symmes Valley gotten better since then? Of course. Has their scheduling been weakened since then? Absolutely. Even when Oak Hill was 0-10 in 2005, their opponents records was a combined 58-42. In 2006, 51-49, and thier record was 3-7. Scheduling plays an absolutely huge factor in the win/loss column. When you're beating Southeastern and Manchester 67-32 and 62-6, I am not impressesed. Now if they were to beat Trimble or Notre Dame by those scores, then yes, I would be impressed. Beating up on schools that are having a down year does not make you a good team. It makes you look like a good team, but in reality it's the schedule showing its true colors.

[Jesco White]

Oak Hill has no shot what so ever at beating Ironton.
This game out at SV will be a slug fest. Should be a good one to take in. Alot on the line for both teams.
You can't look at previous games and previous scores in those games. It's all about match ups and styles.

I think you will be surprised when they lock up next week!

Ironton's defense has given up alot of yards against a good running team.

Defenses that are willing to put their nose on the ball and stop the run has given them fits.

Then again I have been completely wrong before too!

I'm more than a little hesitant to expect Oak Hill to compete with Ironton. Oak Hill is the second weakest team on Ironton's schedule, ahead of only Portsmouth. Meanwhile, Ironton will be the best team on Oak Hill's schedule. That's not a knock on the Oaks as much as it is a compliment to Ironton. Looking over the schedules, I happened upon more of those numbers that have been discussed on this thread. I found something that I thought was fairly remarkable about Ironton's schedule. They are averaging 22.6 Second Level Points per win thus far. I was unable to find any other team in Divisions 2-6 with an average as high. I'm with you on one major fact, though.....I've been completely wrong more than my fair share of times 8)

[Jesco White]

Very true on the ppg part, but they hung up 67 on 1-6 Southeastern and 62 on 1-6 Manchester. And, that winning team Symmes Valley defeated is Eastern Meigs at 4-3. Oak Hill lost to Minford, who may very well end up at 9-1 or 10-0. Plus, Symmes Valley lost to Chesapeake 29-22, a team that Oak Hill defeated rather easily. Chesapeake has improved throughout the course of this season. No offense to Eastern Meigs, but Minford, Chesapeake, Alexander, Wellston and Notre Dame would probably all beat Eastern, given the chance to play them this year. I just don't buy into the Symmes hype. Every year, they seem to have a good record, and then you look at their schedule, and it comes to no surprise they nearly always have a winning record. Yes, I understand it's hard to find a quality opponent, considering that they're a DVI school in the SE Region of the state. Even last year during the regular season, their opponents total win loss record was 40-60 (excluding playoff wins and losses). In 2010, 37-63. In 2009, 37-63. In 2008, 41-59. In 2007, 44-57. By the way, in 2008 and 2007, Symmes had records of 5-5 and 3-7. Quality opponents mean everything. Has Symmes Valley gotten better since then? Of course. Has their scheduling been weakened since then? Absolutely. Even when Oak Hill was 0-10 in 2005, their opponents records was a combined 58-42. In 2006, 51-49, and thier record was 3-7. Scheduling plays an absolutely huge factor in the win/loss column. When you're beating Southeastern and Manchester 67-32 and 62-6, I am not impressesed. Now if they were to beat Trimble or Notre Dame by those scores, then yes, I would be impressed. Beating up on schools that are having a down year does not make you a good team. It makes you look like a good team, but in reality it's the schedule showing its true colors.

In the last 10 years prior to this season, Symmes Valley has 6 wins over playoff teams, including 3 playoff wins.
In the same time span, Oak Hill has 8 wins over playoff teams, including 3 playoff wins.

That's not a lot of disparity over the course of a decade in my opinion. Given that I'm a Valley fan, and my alma mater has taken more scrutiny about strength of schedule than any other school in this part of the state over the years, I have some compassion for Oak Hill's schedule. But, as a realist, I can't comprehend anyone knocking Symmes Valley's schedule in favor of Oak Hill's when you factor Symmes Valley is a D-6 school and Oak Hill wouldn't even be the smallest school in the SOC 2 yet they still play in the SOC 1. Is that Oak Hill's fault? Absolutely not! The kids can only play the games on their schedule. But, I personally wouldn't be knocking the schedule of a D-6 school.......especially a D-6 school that I'm 5-5 against in the last 10 years.

Again, I believe Oak Hill will win this game. And, I appreciate the points you're making.

[lawcosportsfan]

As I read through these posts a few things pop out at me and I am a Lawrence county person and I will be pulling for SV, but there is reason for the valley to get picked on for strength of schedule. Look at drew's website and his numbers show that only a handful of teams in the state play an easier schedule, and some of those teams are on the SV schedule. Someone was counting wins against playoff teams, well that would include south gallia and ports. east of a year ago. Well the state had just dismantled R23 and if that wasn't the case, those teams are not really playoff teams. R23 is a little ridiculous shadyside, bridgeport, and malvern all gone. I have already written more than I wanted, but someone earlier stated that SV has pulled the starters or scores would be different. As I read through the sunday paper, I noticed and maybe it was a mistake, but I don't think so, with 1:37 on the clock at Ports. East with the score SV 50 and Tartans 14, SV's starting tailback returned a kickoff 96 yards for a TD. I hope there would be some kind of explanation. Good Luck Vikings!

[riverball]

SV had it's hands unit in figering that East would just onside kick. That running back you are talking about is the only person back and is the safety valve. They didn't have any return set up. East went ahead and kicked deep and to the corner. An East player was closing in quick on the ball as it rolled to the 4. The SV running back got to the ball first and just picked it up and broke the tackle of the East kid. He couldn't just let his freshman JV offense be pinned all the way back on the 4 or let East recover the kickoff there. After that it was just some open field running and some blocking from kids that were in there and East couldn't tackle him. Just kind of a fluke play.

[s.v.vikinglinex2]

Symmes Valley did pull thier Starters in the 3rd the only reason Miller was in there was East had Scored and We put our Hands Team in looking for an onsides Kick. We had 10 Players within 20 yds of the kick and they kicked it long and away from Miller the ball stoped on the 3 yard lind and He picked it up and ran it back 97 yrds.

[pbuck]

I'm taking the Oaks in this one

[Vision Quest]

I can understand bringing in Chesapeake and some of the common SOC teams played for head to head comparison but what the heck does Ironton have to do with this game and what does bringing Ironton into this thread add to the discussion? Nothing. Good job Bleeding Red for adding such irrelevance to the discussion.

[wink]

I found something that I thought was fairly remarkable about Ironton's schedule. They are averaging 22.6 Second Level Points per win thus far. I was unable to find any other team in Divisions 2-6 with an average as high.

That's due to the higher division (but much weaker) Kentucky teams they play and get higher division 2nd level points for regardless of what level team they beat.

I'll go with Oak Hill in this one vs Symmes Valley.

[Futurebkstar]

Keep thinking that Oak Hill isn't impressive, or that Symmes Valley will score 35 on them. Oak Hill's total opponents record: 23-26. Symmes Valley's total opponents record: 17-32. Oak Hill's Defense has given up a total of 45 points, which is an average of 6.42 points per game. Symmes Valley's defense has given up 118 points, which is an average of 16.85, nearly three times as more as Oak Hill's defense. Offensively, Oak Hill has scored 207 points, and average of 29.57. Symmes has scored 338 points, an average of 48.28 ppg. Mind you however, Symmes has scored 67, 62, 62 and 56 against teams with a combined record of 7-21. Plus, the only like opponents they've had so far is Chesapeake and East. Oak Hill defeated them 33-7 and 49-0. Symmes Valley lost 22-29 and won 56-14. Oak Hill's point production is 41 per game in those like opponents while only giving up 3.5 ppg. Symmes Valley's point production is 39 while giving up 21.5 ppg. Who wins? Oak Hill wins. Score? Who cares. This game is about winning for both teams. By the way, Oak Hill's defense has been scored on the least in this area, regardless of division or region.

Oak Hill has given up 55 points through 7 games. 20 of those came from Minford.

They are averaging less than a TD and 2 pt conversion a game.....and after watching them in week 5 its easy to see with the defensive players and effort they bring.

I was REALLY impressed with OH's defensive ends and LB's. They were pretty good up front too and the only weakness they may have on defense is in the secondary. But overall they are one of the better defenses in the area.

I have said all along since week 5 that as long as the Oaks can get through this game without error and needing the starters in till the end they have a great chance of beating Ironton. Especially after Hartley gets done with them this week.

I think since the game is at Willow Wood, SV will be playing with alot of pride and determination. Still think OH gives up less than 14 pts and wins by 2TD's.

Good luck to the Oaks.

Less than 14? I will take that bet. No way they hold the Vikings to less than 14. I think score will be 34-14 Vikings.

[Bleeding Red]

I can understand bringing in Chesapeake and some of the common SOC teams played for head to head comparison but what the heck does Ironton have to do with this game and what does bringing Ironton into this thread add to the discussion? Nothing. Good job Bleeding Red for adding such irrelevance to the discussion.

Because other posters brought up SV and OH opponents. I stated my opinion that if OH gets through this week on a win, they will play right with Ironton or beat them. If you dont like my opinion, dont read it. Unless you are ignorant or something, which isnt out of the question after reviewing some of your posts.

It must have been an important opinion for you to quote it and complain about it. LOL.

[Futurebkstar]

Because other posters brought up SV and OH opponents. I stated my opinion that IF OH gets through this week on a win, they will play right with Ironton or beat them.

That is a HUGE IF!!!!

[Vision Quest]

I can understand bringing in Chesapeake and some of the common SOC teams played for head to head comparison but what the heck does Ironton have to do with this game and what does bringing Ironton into this thread add to the discussion? Nothing. Good job Bleeding Red for adding such irrelevance to the discussion.

Because other posters brought up SV and OH opponents. I stated my opinion that if OH gets through this week on a win, they will play right with Ironton or beat them. If you dont like my opinion, dont read it. Unless you are ignorant or something, which isnt out of the question after reviewing some of your posts.

It must have been an important opinion for you to quote it and complain about it. LOL.

I guess you cannot understand head-to-head comparisons. Let me explain it to you, others brought up Chesapeake and common SOC opponents of past games, ones that have been played by both teams, to compare their wins/losses, margins of victory, etc. Ironton is a future opponent, one that has not been played and will only play one of these teams. Hence, no comparisons to be made with Ironton, before or after they match up. You are obviously making a veiled attempt to say Oak Hill will beat Ironton, therefore making your Mighty Minford Falcons look better since they beat Oak Hill. Nice try. And for calling me ignorant, why are you being so short with me, Bleeding Red. Oh well, I guess you're short with everybody. :122249

[Jason Vorhees]

Projection, via calpreps.com: Oak Hill 31-Symmes Valley 19.

[ManitouDan]

Bleeding Red is well known pot stirring ahole , just attempt to ignore him. He strongly defends his right to his opinion ( usually so biased its laughable LIKE Oak Hill BEATING IRONTON LOL ) but gets his panties in a wad when others do . and that dear SEOP readers is typical Bleeding Red .. MD

[Bleeding Red]

Bleeding Red is well known pot stirring ahole , just attempt to ignore him. He strongly defends his right to his opinion ( usually so biased its laughable LIKE Oak Hill BEATING IRONTON LOL ) but gets his panties in a wad when others do . and that dear SEOP readers is typical Bleeding Red .. MD

Don't mind MD.... He hates anyone that beats his beloved ND squad. Especially when they get beat rather handily.

If you can't give credit to a one loss Oak Hill team that sits in first place in Region 19 after the first 8 weeks of the season, you are a crybaby. Isn't that right MD?

BR

[FanOsports99]

I hate it when Oak Hill has a good team...it seems like the fans from OH (if they are winning) are the most obnoxious fans around. I remember a few years ago when they had a good team running off at the chops constantly. its annoying. does oak hill have a good team yes of course. has their schedule been a little tougher then SV yes... looking back at scores of other SOC games this year will not give a good handle on the teams just because the league is down this year. yes they have chesapeake in common which oak hill did handle with ease...when sv played them they did not play well at all...every boy on the team will tell you that...did sv have all their starters playing that game?? NO...so lets shut up let the boys strap them up battle it out and see who comes out on top!!!

p.s its not all OH fans just the ones that like to get on here and over look SV and look forward to Ironton

[FanOsports99]

BleedingRed i started a thread for you to talk about your Oak Hill and Ironton game :122245