SVC Changes

[Fatdog]

Not sure how much longer Huntington, Adena, and SE is going to want to play us (PV) with our Competitive Balance numbers soaring every year. We are getting kids from everywhere and talk of even more kids coming next year. Many loyal Bearcat fans are fed up with it.

[Rolltanks]

Not sure how much longer Huntington, Adena, and SE is going to want to play us (PV) with our Competitive Balance numbers soaring every year. We are getting kids from everywhere and talk of even more kids coming next year. Many loyal Bearcat fans are fed up with it.

It’s part of the game now days. They must be doing something right if they are attracting talent. I wish we got a few of the kids from chilly myself.

[Rolltanks]

Those fans will be fine if transfers bring wins, but they better be players cause we have lot of guys back and more talent coming up

[Fatdog]

Not sure how much longer Huntington, Adena, and SE is going to want to play us (PV) with our Competitive Balance numbers soaring every year. We are getting kids from everywhere and talk of even more kids coming next year. Many loyal Bearcat fans are fed up with it.

It’s part of the game now days. They must be doing something right if they are attracting talent. I wish we got a few of the kids from chilly myself.

I understand but with a CB like ours I would think we would have at least one or two more SVC championships (league) isnt even good) lol….guess it’s coaching lol

[Dundas]

D4 South Central Ohio conference….

Unioto
Westfall
Logan Elm
Waverly
Amanda (4 kids away from D4)
Circleville (Smallest D3 school in Ohio)

[CavalierAlum05]

Someone find the GOLD BALL by school list.

Unioto is at the top and it’s not close would be my guess.


No one is saying kick Unioto out. Re alignment with larger and smaller divisions like so many have mentioned.

[danicalifornia]

Someone find the GOLD BALL by school list.

Unioto is at the top and it’s not close would be my guess.


No one is saying kick Unioto out. Re alignment with larger and smaller divisions like so many have mentioned.

In football since 2002:

Westfall - 6
Zane Trace - 5
Adena - 2
Paint Valley - 2
Southeastern - 2
Piketon - 1
Unioto - 1 (soon to be 2 since the 1980’s)
Huntington - 0

It’s a much greater number in other sports, but I’m not doing that research since this is a football topic.

[CavalierAlum05]

Someone find the GOLD BALL by school list.

Unioto is at the top and it’s not close would be my guess.


No one is saying kick Unioto out. Re alignment with larger and smaller divisions like so many have mentioned.

In football since 2002:

Westfall - 6
Zane Trace - 5
Adena - 2
Paint Valley - 2
Southeastern - 2
Piketon - 1
Unioto - 1 (soon to be 2 since the 1980’s)
Huntington - 0

It’s a much greater number in other sports, but I’m not doing that research since this is a football topic.

Maybe that’s what I am thinking of, all sports. I saw. List once where the “all sports” award was Unioto 16 out of last 20 years or something.

[danicalifornia]

Someone find the GOLD BALL by school list.

Unioto is at the top and it’s not close would be my guess.


No one is saying kick Unioto out. Re alignment with larger and smaller divisions like so many have mentioned.

In football since 2002:

Westfall - 6
Zane Trace - 5
Adena - 2
Paint Valley - 2
Southeastern - 2
Piketon - 1
Unioto - 1 (soon to be 2 since the 1980’s)
Huntington - 0

It’s a much greater number in other sports, but I’m not doing that research since this is a football topic.

Maybe that’s what I am thinking of, all sports. I saw. List once where the “all sports” award was Unioto 16 out of last 20 years or something.

It might’ve been more often than that lol, but I will say that it was helped a lot by Cross Country, Golf, Soccer and Track, where the smaller schools may not have even fielded teams. I think that’s one of the reasons they got rid of it a few years ago.

They had the great run in boys basketball over the last decade and girls basketball has been fairly dominant for a while too. Baseball, Softball and Volleyball not as much, but have been better than Football was for a long time.

[Notafanofyou]

Not sure how much longer Huntington, Adena, and SE is going to want to play us (PV) with our Competitive Balance numbers soaring every year. We are getting kids from everywhere and talk of even more kids coming next year. Many loyal Bearcat fans are fed up with it.

It’s part of the game now days. They must be doing something right if they are attracting talent. I wish we got a few of the kids from chilly myself.

You can have them...they are bad eggs that PV doesn't need.

[Notafanofyou]

Not sure how much longer Huntington, Adena, and SE is going to want to play us (PV) with our Competitive Balance numbers soaring every year. We are getting kids from everywhere and talk of even more kids coming next year. Many loyal Bearcat fans are fed up with it.

Well, what to do you expect?

PV hasn't built a team...hasn't developed their kids from the district but instead brought (or bought) in other people based on the good ol' buddy system. Dye has no more minons left so he has to go out and steal some from other teams.

That was apparent tonight with ZT with the win. PV doesn't have any talent left because no PV kids were playing (other than a few home-grown and they are only playing because the transfers were/got hurt). It showed.

[formerAD]

Good Evening all,

I have experience in the MSL as an AD and I have been apart of these discussions first-hand.

Some things said on here are true, and some are completely false.

Regarding the Ohio teams splitting, that was a matter of time before someone split. The Cardinal discussed it at length. It is accurate to say that one or the other was going to do it, but the Ohio moved first.

Starting with the MSL Cardinal.
This division is pretty stable. I wouldn’t expect changes YET, but I think all it would take is 1 move to blow it up. I don’t believe anyone is actively evaluating options besides Liberty-Union. Some things I could see happening:
- Hamilton Township to the CBL. I wouldn’t call this likely, but if the league blows up this would be the Rangers new home.
- Liberty-Union to the LCL. I could also see LU joining the Cardinal division. They are D6 now and after CB, are smaller than Grove City Christian, the smallest school in the Cardinal.
- Circleville+Logan Elm to the FAC. To be clear, these two are definitely a package deal. With that being said, the FAC has approached both, and they declined saying “not yet”. I do think these 2 will be in the FAC down the line.

Now for the Cardinal Division.
- Grove City Christian is the main issue here. They are larger than the rest of the division, and are expected to continue growing. GCC had been approached by the CBL, but has no interest in joining. I believe GCC will eventually head west, maybe to the Ohio Heritage Conference? I could see them adding GCC and Westfall in a package deal. Regardless I don’t see GCC in the Cardinal in 2030.
- Miller is truly in no man’s land. They have bounced around but there is truly no home for them. They might (?) become independent at some point, which is a nightmare. Great people on this community!
- Berne Union may be one to initiate change. I could see BU joining up with the TVC, potentially bringing along a combination of Miller, FCA, and Fisher Catholic.
- Bishop Rosecrans has no business being in this league. They will jump at an invite to the MVL faster than the papers get sent. It not IF, it’s WHEN.
- Millersport is in a tough situation. Too bad because that is a nice community and I enjoy visiting Buckeye Lake. There is no fit for the Lakers. To be honest, that district could dissolve at some point.

What I predict happens:

- Liberty-Union leaves MSL Ohio for LCL, maybe replaces Newark Catholic?
- Grove City Christian leaves MSL Cardinal but not entirely sure where they go.
- MSL lives on with two 6-team divisions. No crossovers would be played. They could even split up under different names.
- Westfall leaves the SVC, maybe for the OHC, maybe even with GCC?
- Unioto leaves SVC for FAC
- FAC adds Unioto and Waverly to get to 8 schools, league is stabilized for foreseeable future.
- SVC adds Beaver Eastern and another school, maybe Latham Western? league is stabilized for foreseeable future.

This is based off a few rumblings I have heard and the domino effect they would have. I think that the FAC is desperate to expand with Unioto and Waverly, and that will be the first domino. the MSL Cardinal is also a ticking time bomb.

[formerfcfan]

- Liberty-Union... I could also see LU joining the Cardinal division. They are D6 now and after CB, are smaller than Grove City Christian, the smallest school in the Cardinal.

- Berne Union may be one to initiate change. I could see BU joining up with the TVC, potentially bringing along a combination of Miller, FCA, and Fisher Catholic.
- Bishop Rosecrans has no business being in this league. They will jump at an invite to the MVL faster than the papers get sent. It not IF, it’s WHEN.

- Liberty-Union leaves MSL Ohio for LCL, maybe replaces Newark Catholic?

I agree largely with everything else you said, but what is in the quoted above... I do not.

Rosecrans/MVL -- in what world is the MVL not going to stonewall Rosecrans in this 'EdChoice for All' environment? Depending on what happens next Tuesday, we could very well be one or two years away from the 'Backpack Bill' and other aggressive, deeper school-choice policy initiatives coming down the pike.

I don't understand the LU thing at all. Can I see Liberty Union joining the LCL? Yes. I can see them joining as part of a package deal. They, by themselves, won't be added. LCL considered the play for 16, couldn't get the pieces in place to bring those schools to the table (main issue is some of the schools they sent out 'interest check' emails to wouldn't come forward) so they went with the safe bet of addressing the big school first by simply adding Mt. Vernon.

Newark Catholic...??? Where would they go?

Another thing on LU -- I have no expectation that LU is going to end up in the Cardinal. Neither FC nor BU play them in football currently, even though both schools are in the position to do so (frankly it's just the case that the state of LU football is that they should play either of them. Why this matchup hasn't happened, who knows.) The other side to that coin is, frankly, LU might have a friend in one of those two schools... but they probably don't have a friend in the other.

Why do I say that last sentence? Look no further than how one of those schools does business with their sister school. Circles back to the whole "where would that school go?[/i]" above.

If Berne wants to go to the TVC, let 'em. There's no way one of those other three schools, in particular, that you mentioned signs up for a league that entails going to Athens, Meigs and Washington Counties on the regular. The other two? Sure! I'm sure you can put 1-and-1 together as to which school I'm referring to that would be very, very difficult (and frankly not worth the TVC's time) to bring aboard. Bringing that school on would be a disaster for the TVC. Not because of competitiveness, but because that school in particular could prove to be a major pain for stability purposes.

[formerfcfan]

Regarding that last sentence, some of my reasoning for it is frankly not appropriate for public discussion -- it's better suited in private discussion.

Because although I have the reasoning, and justification for that thought process, which stems in significant part due to how I feel toward that school, its administration and the broader framework as to why the TVC would be a terrible idea for all parties involved... I'm not interested in using it as fodder to prove a point publicly. It doesn't serve that school well, nor is it fair to their community servants. Regardless of how I feel toward them.

[Rolltanks]

About unioto to the fac, the current ppl in charge of unioto care nothing about doing anything to help us win playoff games or playing teams that will help us in playoffs. They will not leave the Svc on their own. Even with us winning football now it will take more for them to kick us out for financial reasons. Teams like southeastern will vote to keeps us for gate money. So that’s where we are it has nothing to do with our football staff or fans. Hoops may very well want to leave but his only option would be to schedule Jackson chilly and keep waverly in non conference play.

[Zahns Corner]

About unioto to the fac, the current ppl in charge of unioto care nothing about doing anything to help us win playoff games or playing teams that will help us in playoffs. They will not leave the Svc on their own. Even with us winning football now it will take more for them to kick us out for financial reasons. Teams like southeastern will vote to keeps us for gate money. So that’s where we are it has nothing to do with our football staff or fans. Hoops may very well want to leave but his only option would be to schedule Jackson chilly and keep waverly in non conference play.

Having recently moved back to Ohio from the Allegheny Highlands of Virginia, it is interesting to follow the "conference" realignment debates. Ohio is probably the last stronghold of regular season scheduling being based on conference affiliation instead of geographic districts based on school size. While I respect the "old school" feel of conferences, it just seems to create uncertainty as schools and communities grow or decline along with their competitive fortunes.

As to Unioto and Waverly, my dad reminded me that both schools had ill fated ventures into "bigger" conferences in the 1970's. Waverly tried the SEOAL and Unioto the SCOL. The grass is rarely greener on the other side.

[MadeInRossCounty]

Good Evening all,

I have experience in the MSL as an AD and I have been apart of these discussions first-hand.

Some things said on here are true, and some are completely false.

Regarding the Ohio teams splitting, that was a matter of time before someone split. The Cardinal discussed it at length. It is accurate to say that one or the other was going to do it, but the Ohio moved first.

Starting with the MSL Cardinal.
This division is pretty stable. I wouldn’t expect changes YET, but I think all it would take is 1 move to blow it up. I don’t believe anyone is actively evaluating options besides Liberty-Union. Some things I could see happening:
- Hamilton Township to the CBL. I wouldn’t call this likely, but if the league blows up this would be the Rangers new home.
- Liberty-Union to the LCL. I could also see LU joining the Cardinal division. They are D6 now and after CB, are smaller than Grove City Christian, the smallest school in the Cardinal.
- Circleville+Logan Elm to the FAC. To be clear, these two are definitely a package deal. With that being said, the FAC has approached both, and they declined saying “not yet”. I do think these 2 will be in the FAC down the line.

Now for the Cardinal Division.
- Grove City Christian is the main issue here. They are larger than the rest of the division, and are expected to continue growing. GCC had been approached by the CBL, but has no interest in joining. I believe GCC will eventually head west, maybe to the Ohio Heritage Conference? I could see them adding GCC and Westfall in a package deal. Regardless I don’t see GCC in the Cardinal in 2030.
- Miller is truly in no man’s land. They have bounced around but there is truly no home for them. They might (?) become independent at some point, which is a nightmare. Great people on this community!
- Berne Union may be one to initiate change. I could see BU joining up with the TVC, potentially bringing along a combination of Miller, FCA, and Fisher Catholic.
- Bishop Rosecrans has no business being in this league. They will jump at an invite to the MVL faster than the papers get sent. It not IF, it’s WHEN.
- Millersport is in a tough situation. Too bad because that is a nice community and I enjoy visiting Buckeye Lake. There is no fit for the Lakers. To be honest, that district could dissolve at some point.

What I predict happens:

- Liberty-Union leaves MSL Ohio for LCL, maybe replaces Newark Catholic?
- Grove City Christian leaves MSL Cardinal but not entirely sure where they go.
- MSL lives on with two 6-team divisions. No crossovers would be played. They could even split up under different names.
- Westfall leaves the SVC, maybe for the OHC, maybe even with GCC?
- Unioto leaves SVC for FAC
- FAC adds Unioto and Waverly to get to 8 schools, league is stabilized for foreseeable future.
- SVC adds Beaver Eastern and another school, maybe Latham Western? league is stabilized for foreseeable future.

This is based off a few rumblings I have heard and the domino effect they would have. I think that the FAC is desperate to expand with Unioto and Waverly, and that will be the first domino. the MSL Cardinal is also a ticking time bomb.

Love this idea. I have also heard the rumblings of Unioto and Waverly to the FAC. Would love to see Beaver Eastern and Latham Western in the SVC. Both would be great additions.

[greygoose]

Changes are needed but they won't do anything, another year where after week 11 all SVC teams are out of it. Keeping with the same path will not make for playoff success but like many have said the SVC just doesn't have any interest in making changes. Oh well