Logan HC Out

[Vegeta]

A 3rd big school division of the TVC can't exist without Athens, and we all know they will never again agree to be placed in a division with schools their size.

Something like below would be ideal for Logan and the MSL:

MSL
Canal Winchester
Hamilton Township
Teays Valley
Logan
Bloom-Carroll
Chillicothe

MSL
Amanda-Clearcreek
Fairfield Union
Liberty Union
Circleville
Logan Elm
Westfall

[Dundas]

I know it has been discussed a million times but this is where the TVC needs to be more proactive. They have to realize that other leagues are looking at their members (and maybe their members are looking elsewhere) and get Logan, Warren, Marietta and others into the league for everyone's sake. Probably will not happen but before it is too late, these schools and leagues should realize that they need each other IMO.

This would be the only way Logan would ever be considered for the TVC. A mass influx of teams. Logan would never have a chance of getting into the TVC on their own. They finished 2024 with a 1-9 record and beat the TVC Ohio champs pretty easily. A large addition would be the only way anyone in the TVC would even consider it. Currently, the TSL is Logan’s best shot at a southern Ohio conference/league.

As for the coaching search. It’ll be interesting to see who they get.

[Larry Fine]

I know it has been discussed a million times but this is where the TVC needs to be more proactive. They have to realize that other leagues are looking at their members (and maybe their members are looking elsewhere) and get Logan, Warren, Marietta and others into the league for everyone's sake. Probably will not happen but before it is too late, these schools and leagues should realize that they need each other IMO.

This would be the only way Logan would ever be considered for the TVC. A mass influx of teams. Logan would never have a chance of getting into the TVC on their own. They finished 2024 with a 1-9 record and beat the TVC Ohio champs pretty easily. A large addition would be the only way anyone in the TVC would even consider it. Currently, the TSL is Logan’s best shot at a southern Ohio conference/league.

As for the coaching search. It’ll be interesting to see who they get.

Sounds like a soft minded conference to me. 1-9 and wouldn’t let them in, loser mentality

[Dundas]

I know it has been discussed a million times but this is where the TVC needs to be more proactive. They have to realize that other leagues are looking at their members (and maybe their members are looking elsewhere) and get Logan, Warren, Marietta and others into the league for everyone's sake. Probably will not happen but before it is too late, these schools and leagues should realize that they need each other IMO.

This would be the only way Logan would ever be considered for the TVC. A mass influx of teams. Logan would never have a chance of getting into the TVC on their own. They finished 2024 with a 1-9 record and beat the TVC Ohio champs pretty easily. A large addition would be the only way anyone in the TVC would even consider it. Currently, the TSL is Logan’s best shot at a southern Ohio conference/league.

As for the coaching search. It’ll be interesting to see who they get.

Sounds like a soft minded conference to me. 1-9 and wouldn’t let them in, loser mentality

You may be right but it wasn’t 15 years ago that logan would’ve laughed at playing in the TVC. Traditionally a great program and much larger. What would Logan get out of the TVC besides a winning record? They would get minimal playoff points and never be ready for D2 teams in the playoffs. They would consistently beat Alex, River Valley, Meigs, Wellston, and Vc by running clocks and would beat Athens and NY the majority of the time. Size is a factor at some point. That’s why there are 7 divisions in football. If the TVC wants to bring them in then that’s fine. I just don’t see it happening without 3 divisions. Now if the TVC did go to 3 divisions, Logan would still be near the top every year but they would have 4-5 non conference weeks to toughen up the schedule. Again, I just don’t see the TVC doing it. Call them soft if you want.

[Larry Fine]

This would be the only way Logan would ever be considered for the TVC. A mass influx of teams. Logan would never have a chance of getting into the TVC on their own. They finished 2024 with a 1-9 record and beat the TVC Ohio champs pretty easily. A large addition would be the only way anyone in the TVC would even consider it. Currently, the TSL is Logan’s best shot at a southern Ohio conference/league.

As for the coaching search. It’ll be interesting to see who they get.

Sounds like a soft minded conference to me. 1-9 and wouldn’t let them in, loser mentality

You may be right but it wasn’t 15 years ago that logan would’ve laughed at playing in the TVC. Traditionally a great program and much larger. What would Logan get out of the TVC besides a winning record? They would get minimal playoff points and never be ready for D2 teams in the playoffs. They would consistently beat Alex, River Valley, Meigs, Wellston, and Vc by running clocks and would beat Athens and NY the majority of the time. Size is a factor at some point. That’s why there are 7 divisions in football. If the TVC wants to bring them in then that’s fine. I just don’t see it happening without 3 divisions. Now if the TVC did go to 3 divisions, Logan would still be near the top every year but they would have 4-5 non conference weeks to toughen up the schedule. Again, I just don’t see the TVC doing it. Call them soft if you want.

I already did call you soft. So you only add weak programs ?
Weak mentality

[Dundas]

Sounds like a soft minded conference to me. 1-9 and wouldn’t let them in, loser mentality

You may be right but it wasn’t 15 years ago that logan would’ve laughed at playing in the TVC. Traditionally a great program and much larger. What would Logan get out of the TVC besides a winning record? They would get minimal playoff points and never be ready for D2 teams in the playoffs. They would consistently beat Alex, River Valley, Meigs, Wellston, and Vc by running clocks and would beat Athens and NY the majority of the time. Size is a factor at some point. That’s why there are 7 divisions in football. If the TVC wants to bring them in then that’s fine. I just don’t see it happening without 3 divisions. Now if the TVC did go to 3 divisions, Logan would still be near the top every year but they would have 4-5 non conference weeks to toughen up the schedule. Again, I just don’t see the TVC doing it. Call them soft if you want.

I already did call you soft. So you only add weak programs ?
Weak mentality

Great conversation Mr. Fine. Glad you could bring great facts and opinions to it. That’s what keeps this board alive!

[Larry Fine]

You may be right but it wasn’t 15 years ago that logan would’ve laughed at playing in the TVC. Traditionally a great program and much larger. What would Logan get out of the TVC besides a winning record? They would get minimal playoff points and never be ready for D2 teams in the playoffs. They would consistently beat Alex, River Valley, Meigs, Wellston, and Vc by running clocks and would beat Athens and NY the majority of the time. Size is a factor at some point. That’s why there are 7 divisions in football. If the TVC wants to bring them in then that’s fine. I just don’t see it happening without 3 divisions. Now if the TVC did go to 3 divisions, Logan would still be near the top every year but they would have 4-5 non conference weeks to toughen up the schedule. Again, I just don’t see the TVC doing it. Call them soft if you want.

I already did call you soft. So you only add weak programs ?
Weak mentality

Great conversation Mr. Fine. Glad you could bring great facts and opinions to it. That’s what keeps this board alive!

Natural rivals with nelsonville, vinton , and Athens ,

[Dundas]

I already did call you soft. So you only add weak programs ?
Weak mentality

Great conversation Mr. Fine. Glad you could bring great facts and opinions to it. That’s what keeps this board alive!

Natural rivals with nelsonville, vinton , and Athens ,

Okay. We’re getting somewhere now! I agree with the fact that they are very close in proximity to those teams. NY and Athens would be old seoal foes. As well as Wellston and Meigs. There’s no doubt the gates would improve with Logan as a member of the TVC Ohio but what good would it do Logan to win a predominantly D5 conference as a D2 school? IF the TVC Ohio went to 3 divisions, what would you like the big school division to look like?

[Larry Fine]

Great conversation Mr. Fine. Glad you could bring great facts and opinions to it. That’s what keeps this board alive!

Natural rivals with nelsonville, vinton , and Athens ,

Okay. We’re getting somewhere now! I agree with the fact that they are very close in proximity to those teams. NY and Athens would be old seoal foes. As well as Wellston and Meigs. There’s no doubt the gates would improve with Logan as a member of the TVC Ohio but what good would it do Logan to win a predominantly D5 conference as a D2 school? IF the TVC Ohio went to 3 divisions, what would you like the big school division to look like?

When Ironton was in the SEOAL , I think Athens was division 2

[Dundas]

Natural rivals with nelsonville, vinton , and Athens ,

Okay. We’re getting somewhere now! I agree with the fact that they are very close in proximity to those teams. NY and Athens would be old seoal foes. As well as Wellston and Meigs. There’s no doubt the gates would improve with Logan as a member of the TVC Ohio but what good would it do Logan to win a predominantly D5 conference as a D2 school? IF the TVC Ohio went to 3 divisions, what would you like the big school division to look like?

When Ironton was in the SEOAL , I think Athens was division 2

That’s probably true. I think there were only 3 or 4 divisions back then.

What would you like to see the TVC Ohio look like in the future?

[Larry Fine]

Okay. We’re getting somewhere now! I agree with the fact that they are very close in proximity to those teams. NY and Athens would be old seoal foes. As well as Wellston and Meigs. There’s no doubt the gates would improve with Logan as a member of the TVC Ohio but what good would it do Logan to win a predominantly D5 conference as a D2 school? IF the TVC Ohio went to 3 divisions, what would you like the big school division to look like?

When Ironton was in the SEOAL , I think Athens was division 2

That’s probably true. I think there were only 3 or 4 divisions back then.

What would you like to see the TVC Ohio look like in the future?

just seems crazy that 1-9 Logan is blackballed by the TVC for being too good , I repeat 1-9

[Dundas]

When Ironton was in the SEOAL , I think Athens was division 2

That’s probably true. I think there were only 3 or 4 divisions back then.

What would you like to see the TVC Ohio look like in the future?

just seems crazy that 1-9 Logan is blackballed by the TVC for being too good , I repeat 1-9

Larry, come on. You can’t just repeat the same thing. I’m asking you questions. I want to know your opinions. You have to help me out here. We all know you think Logan should be in the TVC. Who else? What does the Ohio division look like to you? What do you want to see?

[teach1coach2]

It seems obvious to all when it comes to the mistake in joining the league they are in. And from what I understand, it would be difficult to get out now. So the question is whether the administration knows this or if they see this as a good gig. If they do, then their expectations are wrong going in and that makes this an even more difficult job to fill.

I agree. Got to remember what brought Logan to where they’re at, though.

The league they wanted to be in, from the beginning, is the Mid-State League. They tried to get several times a decade ago. The MSL wouldn’t take Logan when Canal went to the OCC, as the MSL opted to instead have Liberty Union transition into the Buckeye Division (FWIW, I think this was a terrible move in retrospect and looking back they absolutely should have taken Logan.) They tried again from what I recall and it got nowhere.

They can’t go back to that well. The MSL is chalked. The conference is a dead man walking; no new members, it’s in its final years.

They tried the MVL, right? Didn’t get anywhere. The MVL as it is currently won’t be an option for potential reconfiguration/new members for another couple years.

They tried the Licking County League. I believe they got decently far in discussions (Logan was not seen as a high priority for the LCL) and it died because the addition of the Chieftains would’ve made any future reconfigurations/expansions for the LCL impossible.

IMO, we’re going to have an inevitable round of realignments across south central / southeastern Ohio in the next ~5 years. Logan’s opportunity to get out is going to depend on what happens in the FAC camp as well as the MVL camp. The FAC might expand, the MVL may see schools leave down the road and the MVL might find themselves reconfiguring. I don’t think Logan is necessarily an FAC candidate, but the first domino to fall will be any potential expansion of the FAC. Logan could very well be a candidate down the line for the MVL once the “ten years obligation” is up (2029?) for that league.

The MVL obligation fee is only like $2,000 a year. $20,000 (or at this point like $8,000). That would not stop any school from leaving..........BUT no school wants to leave. There might be a school or two with fairly new people in leadership spots that would like their way on every decision but they are not leaving. Logan in no way fits the MVL. Not happening and won't happen.

Now on topic. Call and offer Brownrigg at West M the job. Let him spend the 2nd half of the day doing weight lifting. Give his wife an elementary position. Let him bring an assistant. Ok, so he is going to say no, but it would be worth a try.

[Play60Football]

Brownrigg should be a name for almost all openings in E/SE.... Central Ohio jobs. But pulling him away from what he has here at West is going to take a ton and i'm not sure it'll happen for a long time, if ever. The man might have the best job around in terms of the resources he's allowed to have and is given. And he's fantastic to go on top of that.

[bullfrog93]

A 3rd big school division of the TVC can't exist without Athens, and we all know they will never again agree to be placed in a division with schools their size.

Something like below would be ideal for Logan and the MSL:

MSL
Canal Winchester
Hamilton Township
Teays Valley
Logan
Bloom-Carroll
Chillicothe

MSL
Amanda-Clearcreek
Fairfield Union
Liberty Union
Circleville
Logan Elm
Westfall

Oh contraire, Athens voted “yes” to adding Logan, Jackson, Warrren and GA joining the TVC as a group. They understood that this meant they would likely be in a third division with those schools. The problem was no one else in the TVC Ohio wanted any part of it. VC would have been the likely candidate to make it a six team division but they were vehemently against that. No one else stepped up and the fear of those schools coming in and controlling votes was enough of a scare tactic to get the majority to vote against it. So, it’s not Athens that’s against Logan getting in. By the way, didn’t Warren beat Logan this year? And didn’t Athens beat Warren “pretty easily”? Just sayin.

[loganlocos]

Brownrigg should be a name for almost all openings in E/SE.... Central Ohio jobs. But pulling him away from what he has here at West is going to take a ton and i'm not sure it'll happen for a long time, if ever. The man might have the best job around in terms of the resources he's allowed to have and is given. And he's fantastic to go on top of that.

I wanted Brownrigg when the job was open last time, lol

It was pretty clear he was a rising star when he left TV to be an assistant at Zanesville.

I doubt you could pry him out of WM for anything but an absolute peach of a job.

Great coach.

[loganlocos]

Year one is going to be tough for a new coach - will have fewer than 10 seniors next season (being generous - might only have 5).

But the current 8th, 9th, and 10th grade classes could set someone up for a few higher ceiling years. Schedule is what it is - ceiling of 4 or 5 wins.

Great facilities. Amazing community support (compared to other OCC schools).

[formerfcfan]

Amazing community support (compared to other OCC schools).

Very astute parenthetical. They’re firmly top half of their division in that regard.

[Pittstop Billy]

Davey is back on the gridiron, pacing the sidelines. Won 8 or 9 TVC Championships in 10 seasons. Was instrumental in beating rivals Trimble and Athens this year, both of which he owned when he was at the helm. I can’t think of anyone else who has ever matched that accomplishment. Could be worth a phone call.

[pfloyd]

How long is the Logan commitment to the OCC ?