FAC Looking to Expand..

[Jeaux Burreaux]

Lost in the fun discussion is a solution. Ohio should do away with conferences as the organizational building block of high school sports scheduling and go to district play scheduling like Kentucky.

That would ruin HS AD's dream of being Pete Rozelle and remove a pithy topic on sports forums, but if equity in competition based on school size is the goal, why not?

Can already see it of teams trying to duck competition and instead of playing local teams they will go out of their way to play teams below their skill level just to make the post season when nearly everyone makes it

[baseball16]

Lost in the fun discussion is a solution. Ohio should do away with conferences as the organizational building block of high school sports scheduling and go to district play scheduling like Kentucky.

That would ruin HS AD's dream of being Pete Rozelle and remove a pithy topic on sports forums, but if equity in competition based on school size is the goal, why not?

Can already see it of teams trying to duck competition and instead of playing local teams they will go out of their way to play teams below their skill level just to make the post season when nearly everyone makes it

Kind of like Universities are doing now?

[jose]

Correct, I believe they left around 2005 or so. From a travel and competitive standpoint the SBAAC is a perfect fit. Hillsboro just lacks any real history with any school in the SBAAC except maybe Western Brown as those two play each other in a lot of sports. So that’s why crowds were probably down for them.

This year, the following is the divisions for the FAC teams in the following sports: Football,Basketball, Track, baseball, Wrestling
Hillsboro 3,4,1,3,2
Jackson 3,4,1,3,2
MT 3,3,1,3,2
Chill 3,3,1,3,2
WCH 4,4,2,4,2
McClain 4,4,2,4,2

So why are you saying Hillsboro needs to leave to be competitive. They are same divisions as Jackson in all 5 sports, Basketball is the only difference with MT and Chillicothe being 3

The FAC is very much so Chillicothe, Miami Trace and Jackson dominated. The SBAAC overall doesn’t have any one team who dominates in sports outside of Massie Football, it is very competitive across the board. Court House, Hillsboro and McClain often are left in the dark in most sports. Also the most important part is Travel would be LESS in the SBAAC vs FAC, especially if Circleville and Logan Elm come around. Why would Hillsboro stay in the FAC to make 3 trips at 1 hr 10 mins+, when the SBAAC would offer no trips over 50 minutes for better competition. An SBAAC move makes sense to me.

So WCH can't compete? lol In Boy sports they have been competitive in all of them. Very good in Basketball, wrestling,golf, baseball. Until the past season and they still were competitive in football by the end of the season. So all around they are very competitive in Boy Sports.

[MisterGalliaGuy2016]

Gallia. They have relatively recent history with Hillsboro, Courthouse, and are longtime rivals with Chilli and Jackson. Gallia and Logan if they're looking to add two. Or Gallia and Waverly

[Oldschoolcoach]

I can tell you this. The SVC will not break up into two divisions. Most of the SVC's superintendents, principals and AD's are against it. Wishfully thinking guys but it's not going to happen.

[fball43]

This year, the following is the divisions for the FAC teams in the following sports: Football,Basketball, Track, baseball, Wrestling
Hillsboro 3,4,1,3,2
Jackson 3,4,1,3,2
MT 3,3,1,3,2
Chill 3,3,1,3,2
WCH 4,4,2,4,2
McClain 4,4,2,4,2

So why are you saying Hillsboro needs to leave to be competitive. They are same divisions as Jackson in all 5 sports, Basketball is the only difference with MT and Chillicothe being 3

The FAC is very much so Chillicothe, Miami Trace and Jackson dominated. The SBAAC overall doesn’t have any one team who dominates in sports outside of Massie Football, it is very competitive across the board. Court House, Hillsboro and McClain often are left in the dark in most sports. Also the most important part is Travel would be LESS in the SBAAC vs FAC, especially if Circleville and Logan Elm come around. Why would Hillsboro stay in the FAC to make 3 trips at 1 hr 10 mins+, when the SBAAC would offer no trips over 50 minutes for better competition. An SBAAC move makes sense to me.

So WCH can't compete? lol In Boy sports they have been competitive in all of them. Very good in Basketball, wrestling,golf, baseball. Until the past season and they still were competitive in football by the end of the season. So all around they are very competitive in Boy Sports.

I’m not saying they can’t compete. WCH can be competitive in this conference, they have been before, but they are closer to Hillsboro and Greenfield than the other three. But if a better situation opens up that will allow them to compete at a high level, offer a better travel situation and be aligned with the future trajectory of their districts outlook, they can certainly entertain a move. I don’t know how much Honda will impact WCH in regards to enrollment, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out and such.

[jose]

The FAC is very much so Chillicothe, Miami Trace and Jackson dominated. The SBAAC overall doesn’t have any one team who dominates in sports outside of Massie Football, it is very competitive across the board. Court House, Hillsboro and McClain often are left in the dark in most sports. Also the most important part is Travel would be LESS in the SBAAC vs FAC, especially if Circleville and Logan Elm come around. Why would Hillsboro stay in the FAC to make 3 trips at 1 hr 10 mins+, when the SBAAC would offer no trips over 50 minutes for better competition. An SBAAC move makes sense to me.

So WCH can't compete? lol In Boy sports they have been competitive in all of them. Very good in Basketball, wrestling,golf, baseball. Until the past season and they still were competitive in football by the end of the season. So all around they are very competitive in Boy Sports.

I’m not saying they can’t compete. WCH can be competitive in this conference, they have been before, but they are closer to Hillsboro and Greenfield than the other three. But if a better situation opens up that will allow them to compete at a high level, offer a better travel situation and be aligned with the future trajectory of their districts outlook, they can certainly entertain a move. I don’t know how much Honda will impact WCH in regards to enrollment, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out and such.

Well don't know your age, but didn't work out last time for wch several years ago. Wch is more than competitive. At this point, wch athletics is above Chillicothe in most sports. Wch not going anywhere anytime soon, unless Fac totally folds. Miami Trace will never be D1 in football, basketball or baseball either. Enrollment would have to more than double for that to happen. Idk Honda, Amazon or whenever other business comes into Fayette county - not going d1

[GoBucks1047]

Lost in the fun discussion is a solution. Ohio should do away with conferences as the organizational building block of high school sports scheduling and go to district play scheduling like Kentucky.

That would ruin HS AD's dream of being Pete Rozelle and remove a pithy topic on sports forums, but if equity in competition based on school size is the goal, why not?

I think the next move for the OHSAA will be to shorten the regular season to 9 games and let everyone in. As much as some hate that idea, it’s the next step they’ll take. As for districts I personally love the idea, but I’m just not sure it ever happens. But I would love to see the OHSAA make districts of 6 teams. 5 conference game, 4 non conference games sounds like a great mix to me. Solves all this realignment as well.

I'll entertain the idea. D1 and D2 are 64 teams each and maintain 10 regular season games, D3-D8 (yes, I'd make an 8th division) are 96 teams each with the top third of the 4 or 8 regions earning a 1st round bye and probably play 9 regular season games. If 7 divisions are maintained, D1 is 80 teams while D2-D7 is 104 teams each and everyone plays 9 games.

In primary olympic sports, D1 & D2 are 80 teams each if 7 divisions or 64 teams each if 8 divisions, then either D3-D7 are 128 teams each or D3-D8 are 112 teams each. I'd like to see regions split up into 8 rather than 6 and each region gets 2 districts each for a more even bracket. I'm also open to the ladder bracket to award single or double byes for top teams.

[GoBucks1047]

Won't happen, but how about adding Logan, Athens, Gallia Academy, Point Pleasant, Warren, and Marietta for 12 and split into 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4. Alternatively (more realistic, but still probably unlikely), add Waverly, Unioto, Circleville, Logan Elm, Fairfield Union, and Logan for 12 with 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4.

[go court house]

So WCH can't compete? lol In Boy sports they have been competitive in all of them. Very good in Basketball, wrestling,golf, baseball. Until the past season and they still were competitive in football by the end of the season. So all around they are very competitive in Boy Sports.

I’m not saying they can’t compete. WCH can be competitive in this conference, they have been before, but they are closer to Hillsboro and Greenfield than the other three. But if a better situation opens up that will allow them to compete at a high level, offer a better travel situation and be aligned with the future trajectory of their districts outlook, they can certainly entertain a move. I don’t know how much Honda will impact WCH in regards to enrollment, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out and such.

Well don't know your age, but didn't work out last time for wch several years ago. Wch is more than competitive. At this point, wch athletics is above Chillicothe in most sports. Wch not going anywhere anytime soon, unless Fac totally folds. Miami Trace will never be D1 in football, basketball or baseball either. Enrollment would have to more than double for that to happen. Idk Honda, Amazon or whenever other business comes into Fayette county - not going d1

The conference is already talking about what to do with Miami Trace. It won't be long, they will be out of the FAC

[borodad]

I’m not saying they can’t compete. WCH can be competitive in this conference, they have been before, but they are closer to Hillsboro and Greenfield than the other three. But if a better situation opens up that will allow them to compete at a high level, offer a better travel situation and be aligned with the future trajectory of their districts outlook, they can certainly entertain a move. I don’t know how much Honda will impact WCH in regards to enrollment, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out and such.

Well don't know your age, but didn't work out last time for wch several years ago. Wch is more than competitive. At this point, wch athletics is above Chillicothe in most sports. Wch not going anywhere anytime soon, unless Fac totally folds. Miami Trace will never be D1 in football, basketball or baseball either. Enrollment would have to more than double for that to happen. Idk Honda, Amazon or whenever other business comes into Fayette county - not going d1

The conference is already talking about what to do with Miami Trace. It won't be long, they will be out of the FAC

I have never heard of anyone in the FAC being worried about MT and wanting to rid them of it.

[fball43]

Well don't know your age, but didn't work out last time for wch several years ago. Wch is more than competitive. At this point, wch athletics is above Chillicothe in most sports. Wch not going anywhere anytime soon, unless Fac totally folds. Miami Trace will never be D1 in football, basketball or baseball either. Enrollment would have to more than double for that to happen. Idk Honda, Amazon or whenever other business comes into Fayette county - not going d1

The conference is already talking about what to do with Miami Trace. It won't be long, they will be out of the FAC

I have never heard of anyone in the FAC being worried about MT and wanting to rid them of it.

I have heard some concern of MT and their growth, but a majority of people (especially Hillsboro) absolutely hate the trips to Jackson.

[formerfcfan]

One thing to keep in mind with the Honda discussion is there’s no guarantee Honda will be hiring employees en masse directly. The majority of plant employees in Marysville, for instance, work through a staffing firm.

This is also where a lot of the supply-chain, third-party logistics and general manufacturing sectors are pivoting toward (especially those owned by the Japanese.) One can imagine that, on the workforce acquisition side, Jeffersonville was selected because of its proximity to Columbus and Dayton. That’s likely where a bulk of the plants’ people will be commuting from, if I had to guess.

[noreply66]

Won't happen, but how about adding Logan, Athens, Gallia Academy, Point Pleasant, Warren, and Marietta for 12 and split into 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4. Alternatively (more realistic, but still probably unlikely), add Waverly, Unioto, Circleville, Logan Elm, Fairfield Union, and Logan for 12 with 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4.

FAC could be in trouble if they expand. Almost any direction they go could mean another conference school might leave. If they do go to adding four teams, they need to go one in each direction. These four need to be within the circumference of the conference as it stands now to give the conference a better chance to stay together. No team in the present FAC should have to travel more than they do now. Two of those could be Unioto and Waverly. I'm not sure what schools look the best going west or south I'm not really sure what Unioto would be (I'm thinking North and Waverly East). All six schools that are in now seem to compete well in cross country and track. As it stands now, I think Jackson and Chillicothe hold this conference together. Take Jackson and Chillicothe being in the SEOAL they know going too far is a negative.

[Dundas]

Won't happen, but how about adding Logan, Athens, Gallia Academy, Point Pleasant, Warren, and Marietta for 12 and split into 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4. Alternatively (more realistic, but still probably unlikely), add Waverly, Unioto, Circleville, Logan Elm, Fairfield Union, and Logan for 12 with 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4.

FAC could be in trouble if they expand. Almost any direction they go could mean another conference school might leave. If they do go to adding four teams, they need to go one in each direction. These four need to be within the circumference of the conference as it stands now to give the conference a better chance to stay together. No team in the present FAC should have to travel more than they do now. Two of those could be Unioto and Waverly. I'm not sure what schools look the best going west or south I'm not really sure what Unioto would be (I'm thinking North and Waverly East). All six schools that are in now seem to compete well in cross country and track. As it stands now, I think Jackson and Chillicothe hold this conference together. Take Jackson and Chillicothe being in the SEOAL they know going too far is a negative.

I don’t think Unioto or any other SVC school is willing to leave their conference. If Waverly and Portsmouth were interested, you could add two to get to an 8 team conference but that’s a big if as well.

Hillsboro
McClain
Miami Trace
Washington
Chillicothe
Jackson
Portsmouth
Waverly

I just don’t see Portsmouth or Waverly leaving their conference for longer trips. It could happen, but doubtful. The FAC is in the middle of no man’s land. They schools in close proximity to the current 6 are just too small to add. Adena, Fairfield, (name SVC school here minus Unioto). I just don’t see a path forward without a complete restructure OR a merger with the current SVC. Which again, is almost certainly not on the table.

[noreply66]

Won't happen, but how about adding Logan, Athens, Gallia Academy, Point Pleasant, Warren, and Marietta for 12 and split into 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4. Alternatively (more realistic, but still probably unlikely), add Waverly, Unioto, Circleville, Logan Elm, Fairfield Union, and Logan for 12 with 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4.

FAC could be in trouble if they expand. Almost any direction they go could mean another conference school might leave. If they do go to adding four teams, they need to go one in each direction. These four need to be within the circumference of the conference as it stands now to give the conference a better chance to stay together. No team in the present FAC should have to travel more than they do now. Two of those could be Unioto and Waverly. I'm not sure what schools look the best going west or south I'm not really sure what Unioto would be (I'm thinking North and Waverly East). All six schools that are in now seem to compete well in cross country and track. As it stands now, I think Jackson and Chillicothe hold this conference together. Take Jackson and Chillicothe being in the SEOAL they know going too far is a negative.

I don’t think Unioto or any other SVC school is willing to leave their conference. If Waverly and Portsmouth were interested, you could add two to get to an 8 team conference but that’s a big if as well.

Hillsboro
McClain
Miami Trace
Washington
Chillicothe
Jackson
Portsmouth
Waverly

I just don’t see Portsmouth or Waverly leaving their conference for longer trips. It could happen, but doubtful. The FAC is in the middle of no man’s land. They schools in close proximity to the current 6 are just too small to add. Adena, Fairfield, (name SVC school here minus Unioto). I just don’t see a path forward without a complete restructure OR a merger with the current SVC. Which again, is almost certainly not on the table.

Overall, I don't think Portsmouth is a good fit

[jose]

FAC could be in trouble if they expand. Almost any direction they go could mean another conference school might leave. If they do go to adding four teams, they need to go one in each direction. These four need to be within the circumference of the conference as it stands now to give the conference a better chance to stay together. No team in the present FAC should have to travel more than they do now. Two of those could be Unioto and Waverly. I'm not sure what schools look the best going west or south I'm not really sure what Unioto would be (I'm thinking North and Waverly East). All six schools that are in now seem to compete well in cross country and track. As it stands now, I think Jackson and Chillicothe hold this conference together. Take Jackson and Chillicothe being in the SEOAL they know going too far is a negative.

I don’t think Unioto or any other SVC school is willing to leave their conference. If Waverly and Portsmouth were interested, you could add two to get to an 8 team conference but that’s a big if as well.

Hillsboro
McClain
Miami Trace
Washington
Chillicothe
Jackson
Portsmouth
Waverly

I just don’t see Portsmouth or Waverly leaving their conference for longer trips. It could happen, but doubtful. The FAC is in the middle of no man’s land. They schools in close proximity to the current 6 are just too small to add. Adena, Fairfield, (name SVC school here minus Unioto). I just don’t see a path forward without a complete restructure OR a merger with the current SVC. Which again, is almost certainly not on the table.

Overall, I don't think Portsmouth is a good fit

Most of the FAC hate the drive to Jackson so Portsmouth would more than likely be a no. The logical solution would be Circleville and Logan Elm. The Mid -State has changed a lot the past few years they would be much more competitive with the FAC schools overall.

[fball43]

I don’t think Unioto or any other SVC school is willing to leave their conference. If Waverly and Portsmouth were interested, you could add two to get to an 8 team conference but that’s a big if as well.

Hillsboro
McClain
Miami Trace
Washington
Chillicothe
Jackson
Portsmouth
Waverly

I just don’t see Portsmouth or Waverly leaving their conference for longer trips. It could happen, but doubtful. The FAC is in the middle of no man’s land. They schools in close proximity to the current 6 are just too small to add. Adena, Fairfield, (name SVC school here minus Unioto). I just don’t see a path forward without a complete restructure OR a merger with the current SVC. Which again, is almost certainly not on the table.

Overall, I don't think Portsmouth is a good fit

Most of the FAC hate the drive to Jackson so Portsmouth would more than likely be a no. The logical solution would be Circleville and Logan Elm. The Mid -State has changed a lot the past few years they would be much more competitive with the FAC schools overall.

Circleville and Logan Elm fit the FAC profile overall and I agree that they are the most logical adds. However, I’m beating a dead horse… but that would put Hillsboro at three trips over 1 hour and 10 mins+. I don’t forsee them liking that.

[noreply66]

From my standpoint the FAC is fine has they are now. It might be their best bet to just stay at 6 teams and see where it goes. If a team/teams leave, then they will have a better chance to see where they should go.

[jose]

Overall, I don't think Portsmouth is a good fit

Most of the FAC hate the drive to Jackson so Portsmouth would more than likely be a no. The logical solution would be Circleville and Logan Elm. The Mid -State has changed a lot the past few years they would be much more competitive with the FAC schools overall.

Circleville and Logan Elm fit the FAC profile overall and I agree that they are the most logical adds. However, I’m beating a dead horse… but that would put Hillsboro at three trips over 1 hour and 10 mins+. I don’t forsee them liking that.

At one time, in the old scol in the 70 and 80's,they drove to Teays Valley and Circleville. So why don't you like Hillsboro and so hellbent on them getting out?