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greygoose wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:37 am
Rolltanks wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:37 am
fball43 wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:40 am

I agree. They will have to be forced out.
Ya this is the ultimate goal, I can see it happening ppl are very upset because of the last two seasons, it is only going to get worse imo. Other Svc schools that I’ve watched with the exception of Huntington have nothing coming up
Obviously you are a Unioto fan and hats off for acknowledging the future. You are 100% right Unioto is on a totally different playing level with what they’ve built and have coming up in football. I’m strictly talking football here as I don’t know what everyone has coming up in every sport but Unioto is painting themselves into a corner here. As they wouldn’t compete in football if they went FAC. Schools have to consider every sport but football is the major mo dy maker for schools.
Wouldn’t compete? Idk year in year out Jackson is a no, but this year we would have competed. Chillicothe at full strength all kids out for the team that would be tuff for us. Miami trace gets beat by waverly and we scrimmage them we would compete. The rest of the teams are worse than the Svc imo. Like I said before we could just schedule Jackson in non conference and be just as good as joining the fac. The best case for unioto imo is the league with waverly Logan elm and circleville but that’s three leagues and lot of teams involved it won’t happen. Despite the rumbling of fans online, the other Svc admin don’t want to mess with scheduling and they like our gate money across all sports that’s why they won’t vote us out yet but we have the potential to run off several more gold balls on a row then something will change


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Rolltanks wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:12 am
greygoose wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:37 am
Rolltanks wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:37 am

Ya this is the ultimate goal, I can see it happening ppl are very upset because of the last two seasons, it is only going to get worse imo. Other Svc schools that I’ve watched with the exception of Huntington have nothing coming up
Obviously you are a Unioto fan and hats off for acknowledging the future. You are 100% right Unioto is on a totally different playing level with what they’ve built and have coming up in football. I’m strictly talking football here as I don’t know what everyone has coming up in every sport but Unioto is painting themselves into a corner here. As they wouldn’t compete in football if they went FAC. Schools have to consider every sport but football is the major mo dy maker for schools.
Wouldn’t compete? Idk year in year out Jackson is a no, but this year we would have competed. Chillicothe at full strength all kids out for the team that would be tuff for us. Miami trace gets beat by waverly and we scrimmage them we would compete. The rest of the teams are worse than the Svc imo. Like I said before we could just schedule Jackson in non conference and be just as good as joining the fac. The best case for unioto imo is the league with waverly Logan elm and circleville but that’s three leagues and lot of teams involved it won’t happen. Despite the rumbling of fans online, the other Svc admin don’t want to mess with scheduling and they like our gate money across all sports that’s why they won’t vote us out yet but we have the potential to run off several more gold balls on a row then something will change
I have a question as I am curious, has Unioto ever played Chillicothe or Jackson in football regular season or postseason before?


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fball43 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:28 am
Rolltanks wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:12 am
greygoose wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:37 am

Obviously you are a Unioto fan and hats off for acknowledging the future. You are 100% right Unioto is on a totally different playing level with what they’ve built and have coming up in football. I’m strictly talking football here as I don’t know what everyone has coming up in every sport but Unioto is painting themselves into a corner here. As they wouldn’t compete in football if they went FAC. Schools have to consider every sport but football is the major mo dy maker for schools.
Wouldn’t compete? Idk year in year out Jackson is a no, but this year we would have competed. Chillicothe at full strength all kids out for the team that would be tuff for us. Miami trace gets beat by waverly and we scrimmage them we would compete. The rest of the teams are worse than the Svc imo. Like I said before we could just schedule Jackson in non conference and be just as good as joining the fac. The best case for unioto imo is the league with waverly Logan elm and circleville but that’s three leagues and lot of teams involved it won’t happen. Despite the rumbling of fans online, the other Svc admin don’t want to mess with scheduling and they like our gate money across all sports that’s why they won’t vote us out yet but we have the potential to run off several more gold balls on a row then something will change
I have a question as I am curious, has Unioto ever played Chillicothe or Jackson in football regular season or postseason before?
NO


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Rolltanks wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:12 am
greygoose wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:37 am
Rolltanks wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:37 am

Ya this is the ultimate goal, I can see it happening ppl are very upset because of the last two seasons, it is only going to get worse imo. Other Svc schools that I’ve watched with the exception of Huntington have nothing coming up
Obviously you are a Unioto fan and hats off for acknowledging the future. You are 100% right Unioto is on a totally different playing level with what they’ve built and have coming up in football. I’m strictly talking football here as I don’t know what everyone has coming up in every sport but Unioto is painting themselves into a corner here. As they wouldn’t compete in football if they went FAC. Schools have to consider every sport but football is the major mo dy maker for schools.
Wouldn’t compete? Idk year in year out Jackson is a no, but this year we would have competed. Chillicothe at full strength all kids out for the team that would be tuff for us. Miami trace gets beat by waverly and we scrimmage them we would compete. The rest of the teams are worse than the Svc imo. Like I said before we could just schedule Jackson in non conference and be just as good as joining the fac. The best case for unioto imo is the league with waverly Logan elm and circleville but that’s three leagues and lot of teams involved it won’t happen. Despite the rumbling of fans online, the other Svc admin don’t want to mess with scheduling and they like our gate money across all sports that’s why they won’t vote us out yet but we have the potential to run off several more gold balls on a row then something will change
Yeah I just don’t see you being in a position to win the FAC you named 3 teams that you think you can compete with. Miami Trace keeps just getting bigger and better, I wouldn’t put McClain and Hillsboro in line with the rest of the SVC at all. There’s just a major drop off after the top 3 teams I don’t think the rest of the SVC is on par. Now you hit the nail on the head, scheduling is so much easier on these guys they’re not going to mess with it. First 3 weeks of the year are the easiest to find games for.


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greygoose wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:11 pm
Rolltanks wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:12 am
greygoose wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:37 am

Obviously you are a Unioto fan and hats off for acknowledging the future. You are 100% right Unioto is on a totally different playing level with what they’ve built and have coming up in football. I’m strictly talking football here as I don’t know what everyone has coming up in every sport but Unioto is painting themselves into a corner here. As they wouldn’t compete in football if they went FAC. Schools have to consider every sport but football is the major mo dy maker for schools.
Wouldn’t compete? Idk year in year out Jackson is a no, but this year we would have competed. Chillicothe at full strength all kids out for the team that would be tuff for us. Miami trace gets beat by waverly and we scrimmage them we would compete. The rest of the teams are worse than the Svc imo. Like I said before we could just schedule Jackson in non conference and be just as good as joining the fac. The best case for unioto imo is the league with waverly Logan elm and circleville but that’s three leagues and lot of teams involved it won’t happen. Despite the rumbling of fans online, the other Svc admin don’t want to mess with scheduling and they like our gate money across all sports that’s why they won’t vote us out yet but we have the potential to run off several more gold balls on a row then something will change
Yeah I just don’t see you being in a position to win the FAC you named 3 teams that you think you can compete with. Miami Trace keeps just getting bigger and better, I wouldn’t put McClain and Hillsboro in line with the rest of the SVC at all. There’s just a major drop off after the top 3 teams I don’t think the rest of the SVC is on par. Now you hit the nail on the head, scheduling is so much easier on these guys they’re not going to mess with it. First 3 weeks of the year are the easiest to find games for.
Miami trace loses to waverly often, we have beat waverly. Jackson I said is a no but we lost in a toss up to west Holmes, they lost a toss up to new Philly, Jackson beat new Philly by 7
We would have beat Chillicothe at least the last three years. That game would be either a winnable game to us getting crushed just depends on if chilly gets all their guys to play. That’s just what I see the other teams like McLain already lose to the Svc Hillsboro has had one good team in the last how many years and court house was one of the worst teams I saw last year but it was a scrimmage so maybe they didn’t have everyone


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But again if it was me I would drop Portsmouth and vinton county and pick up chilly and Jackson then you wouldn’t need to join the fac to get the benefit of it and to be honest Jackson is the only fac school winning games in d4 playoffs imo


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Rolltanks wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:52 pm But again if it was me I would drop Portsmouth and vinton county and pick up chilly and Jackson then you wouldn’t need to join the fac to get the benefit of it and to be honest Jackson is the only fac school winning games in d4 playoffs imo
Honestly, you won’t pull a larger gate than Jackson. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to pick them up. I would hate to see the VC/Unioto series end though. Very good gates and there have been some really great games between the two.

I doubt the FAC gets anyone to bite on the invitation though.


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Dundas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:44 pm
Rolltanks wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:52 pm But again if it was me I would drop Portsmouth and vinton county and pick up chilly and Jackson then you wouldn’t need to join the fac to get the benefit of it and to be honest Jackson is the only fac school winning games in d4 playoffs imo
Honestly, you won’t pull a larger gate than Jackson. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to pick them up. I would hate to see the VC/Unioto series end though. Very good gates and there have been some really great games between the two.

I doubt the FAC gets anyone to bite on the invitation though.
Ya I agree I doubt teams will join the fac unless they are forced to


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Thoughts to ponder...

I think Hillsboro eventually wants into a league focusing on the Cincinnati area, and that any FAC expansion to the east or north will trigger their immediate departure. Where Hillsboro goes, McClain follows (and would probably prosper in a small-school division of a larger league.

I would not be surprised to see Washington CH and Miami Trace thinking to join some permutation of the Mid-State League.


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Rolltanks wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 7:23 pm
Dundas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:44 pm
Rolltanks wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:52 pm But again if it was me I would drop Portsmouth and vinton county and pick up chilly and Jackson then you wouldn’t need to join the fac to get the benefit of it and to be honest Jackson is the only fac school winning games in d4 playoffs imo
Honestly, you won’t pull a larger gate than Jackson. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to pick them up. I would hate to see the VC/Unioto series end though. Very good gates and there have been some really great games between the two.

I doubt the FAC gets anyone to bite on the invitation though.
Ya I agree I doubt teams will join the fac unless they are forced to
Until the MSL disbands, there’s no real option for them. I don’t see the SVC doing anything. Unioto has been solid the last few years but it will take more than a few years to cause a change. Nelsonville York has won nearly half of the TVC championships since 1970 and there is no one wanting to run them out of town.


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Dundas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:44 pm
Rolltanks wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:52 pm But again if it was me I would drop Portsmouth and vinton county and pick up chilly and Jackson then you wouldn’t need to join the fac to get the benefit of it and to be honest Jackson is the only fac school winning games in d4 playoffs imo
Honestly, you won’t pull a larger gate than Jackson. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to pick them up. I would hate to see the VC/Unioto series end though. Very good gates and there have been some really great games between the two.

I doubt the FAC gets anyone to bite on the invitation though.
Nah, they’ve been pitching the same pitch for years and no one has even legitimately entertained the idea the FAC is on its own island. Absolutely Unioto and Jackson should be playing early in the season, the SVC is so light that Unioto should be playing Jackson and a Chillicothe or Miami Trace. It’s amazing how close those schools are yet they haven’t met in regular season I think it’d be a great gate as well fresh matchups with teams at the top in the area.


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Rumor has it the SVC is looking to expand and add a few schools and go into large and small divisons. This makes so much sense for the smaller schools who hear after year have no shot of beating Unioto. I hope this happens, would make for a great league.


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SportsDad711 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:46 am Rumor has it the SVC is looking to expand and add a few schools and go into large and small divisons. This makes so much sense for the smaller schools who hear after year have no shot of beating Unioto. I hope this happens, would make for a great league.
This should be what happens. If it does there will be plenty of teams interested in joining. Waverly, Circleville, Logan Elm, Amanda-Clearcreek, Greenfield McClain, Washington CH, Fairfield Union and etc. would all be interested in this opportunity.


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fball43 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:14 pm
SportsDad711 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:46 am Rumor has it the SVC is looking to expand and add a few schools and go into large and small divisons. This makes so much sense for the smaller schools who hear after year have no shot of beating Unioto. I hope this happens, would make for a great league.
This should be what happens. If it does there will be plenty of teams interested in joining. Waverly, Circleville, Logan Elm, Amanda-Clearcreek, Greenfield McClain, Washington CH, Fairfield Union and etc. would all be interested in this opportunity.
While I don't know if CV, LE, AC or FU are good fits in an SVC expansion rumor (or if they're even interested), some breadcrumbs came to my attn over the weekend.

The development itself right now isn't significant enough to discuss publicly yet on its own (it relates to a school that hasn't been mentioned on this thread, one that is in the complete opposite direction of the SVC.) However, the trickle-down from it will probably cause those four schools to seriously look at which conference they'll be participating in come '28-29. We will see in a few years if indeed it is a real push-pull dynamic within the MSL that causes some of the southwesterly MSL schools (maybe FU too) to play somewhere else.


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I still like this

Svc
Unioto
Zane trace
Piketon
Westfall
Waverly
Logan elm
Circleville
Court house

Then for unioto non conference play Jackson chilli
And vinton county


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Rolltanks wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:38 pm I still like this

Svc
Unioto
Zane trace
Piketon
Westfall
Waverly
Logan elm
Circleville
Court house

Then for unioto non conference play Jackson chilli
And vinton county
This is a solid setup, only thing I would change is send one of Zane Trace, Piketon or Westfall back to the small schools and add Eastern, and Northwest to the smalls and have a 7 big and 7 small setup with 1 crossover only for football.


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formerfcfan wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:25 pm
fball43 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:14 pm
SportsDad711 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:46 am Rumor has it the SVC is looking to expand and add a few schools and go into large and small divisons. This makes so much sense for the smaller schools who hear after year have no shot of beating Unioto. I hope this happens, would make for a great league.
This should be what happens. If it does there will be plenty of teams interested in joining. Waverly, Circleville, Logan Elm, Amanda-Clearcreek, Greenfield McClain, Washington CH, Fairfield Union and etc. would all be interested in this opportunity.
While I don't know if CV, LE, AC or FU are good fits in an SVC expansion rumor (or if they're even interested), some breadcrumbs came to my attn over the weekend.

The development itself right now isn't significant enough to discuss publicly yet on its own (it relates to a school that hasn't been mentioned on this thread, one that is in the complete opposite direction of the SVC.) However, the trickle-down from it will probably cause those four schools to seriously look at which conference they'll be participating in come '28-29. We will see in a few years if indeed it is a real push-pull dynamic within the MSL that causes some of the southwesterly MSL schools (maybe FU too) to play somewhere else.
I will be interested to see what happens with all of this. It sounds like there will be a good amount of movement happening in the coming years.


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fball43 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:50 pm
formerfcfan wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:25 pm
fball43 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:14 pm

This should be what happens. If it does there will be plenty of teams interested in joining. Waverly, Circleville, Logan Elm, Amanda-Clearcreek, Greenfield McClain, Washington CH, Fairfield Union and etc. would all be interested in this opportunity.
While I don't know if CV, LE, AC or FU are good fits in an SVC expansion rumor (or if they're even interested), some breadcrumbs came to my attn over the weekend.

The development itself right now isn't significant enough to discuss publicly yet on its own (it relates to a school that hasn't been mentioned on this thread, one that is in the complete opposite direction of the SVC.) However, the trickle-down from it will probably cause those four schools to seriously look at which conference they'll be participating in come '28-29. We will see in a few years if indeed it is a real push-pull dynamic within the MSL that causes some of the southwesterly MSL schools (maybe FU too) to play somewhere else.
I will be interested to see what happens with all of this. It sounds like there will be a good amount of movement happening in the coming years.
The one thing I will say, since it just sprung to mind: there’s also a distant possibility it could instead cause the MSL to reconstitute as a Fairfield County League, without Bloom-Carroll.

Remember — budget cuts and continuous bleed of public school funding has to rear its ugly head at some point. No real sign of that changing, and it would become difficult to the taxpayers at the ballot box to ask for money if you’re an AC or FU that is playing a bunch of games in Ross County.


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fball43 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:48 pm
Rolltanks wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:38 pm I still like this

Svc
Unioto
Zane trace
Piketon
Westfall
Waverly
Logan elm
Circleville
Court house

Then for unioto non conference play Jackson chilli
And vinton county
This is a solid setup, only thing I would change is send one of Zane Trace, Piketon or Westfall back to the small schools and add Eastern, and Northwest to the smalls and have a 7 big and 7 small setup with 1 crossover only for football.
I would rather have the d 5 Svc schools but I did see something about this from another source and it is a terrible set up that I saw i hope they don’t go to it


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Been around the SVC 30 some years and just don’t see them expanding. Only way this happens is if some of the old guard is gone. I know the last time this came up with the SVC I think only one or 2 schools were supposedly in favor of it and they were the smallest schools and those people have moved on. Obviously all this talk is hearsay so who really knows what talk has happened in the past and if any is going on now. There is an awful lot of good with the SVC (mediocre at best in most every sport) so there is a lot that goes in to this.


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