FINAL TVC OHIO STANDINGS
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powerliftingnut
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Good luck to the Ohio div. teams in O8
Last edited by powerliftingnut on Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
" If you have a problem with me or anything I say, there’s two ways to deal with it – my way or their way. My way is violence".
James "lights out" Toney
James "lights out" Toney
PLN I must agree with you. Is all you hear about is what an upstanding person the coach for alex is. This is a low snake in the grass thing to do not only to another school but the player in question but this is coming from a school that looks the other way when they bring in athletes from other schools so they can win. I became an Alex fan last year watching the girls basketball team thanking they are doing things the right way down there now the truth is out. I am no longer a fan. This is not how programs should be ran.
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joliet jake
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Always will our whole Buckeye Community remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated, underhanded act of treachery, the Nelsonville-York football team in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.
I believe that I interpret the will of the N-Y Schools and of the people of the Nelsonville-York Community and staff, when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.
Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our Community, our territory and our interests, have been violated by the Alexander Coaching staff and Administration.
With confidence in our Football team - with the unbounding determination of our students- we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.
I ask that the Nelsonville-York athletes declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by The Alexander staff and administration, a state of war has existed between the Nelsonville-York Buckeyes and the Alexander Spartan Football programs.
The piper is on the way and Alex is ground zero!
What lessons about life are you teaching your athletes?
I believe that I interpret the will of the N-Y Schools and of the people of the Nelsonville-York Community and staff, when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.
Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our Community, our territory and our interests, have been violated by the Alexander Coaching staff and Administration.
With confidence in our Football team - with the unbounding determination of our students- we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.
I ask that the Nelsonville-York athletes declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by The Alexander staff and administration, a state of war has existed between the Nelsonville-York Buckeyes and the Alexander Spartan Football programs.
The piper is on the way and Alex is ground zero!
What lessons about life are you teaching your athletes?
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hawkeyepierce
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PLN, first you will get no argument from me on a coach defending or touting his players. However, I was at the TVC meeting last year and saw first hand Coach Boston reaction to not getting Bear Lewis Def POY, and rightfully so. There was only two votes for Lewis and guess where those come from?
As to this year, i did not attend the TVC meeting but I can see Coach being upset. IMO, I don't know why the Cunningham kid did not stand out to me in the VC/NY game. However, that doesn't mean that he is not a good player, if Boston says he is than I am sure he is. But the rub is that, he left one school district to play at another in conference. Why did he leave? Because he was suspended athletically? Unfortunately this is "What have you done for me lately" world and NY and Mr. Cunningham are fallout from trifling set of circumstances.
As to this year, i did not attend the TVC meeting but I can see Coach being upset. IMO, I don't know why the Cunningham kid did not stand out to me in the VC/NY game. However, that doesn't mean that he is not a good player, if Boston says he is than I am sure he is. But the rub is that, he left one school district to play at another in conference. Why did he leave? Because he was suspended athletically? Unfortunately this is "What have you done for me lately" world and NY and Mr. Cunningham are fallout from trifling set of circumstances.
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powerliftingnut
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Good luck to the Ohio div. teams in O8
Last edited by powerliftingnut on Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
" If you have a problem with me or anything I say, there’s two ways to deal with it – my way or their way. My way is violence".
James "lights out" Toney
James "lights out" Toney
afan wrote:If most of the TVC coaches picked Waderker, how did Packard end up with the award. I guess I'm just confused.
Ummm...Did I say anything about coaches voting for Wadaker? No. I said two people, a player and a coach, from two seperate teams (both did not play NY and are not in the Ohio Division, so they can't vote) said that Wadaker was the best player they had faced all season.
Also Carbon, I believe PLN was asked to "tell the truth" on this forum from the "head man" so to speak.
Again, this is clearly a case people not using common sense. Did NY gain a competitive advantage by playing this player in mop-up duty? Yes or no. If not, should NY's players be stripped of a title that they earned on the field? Yes or no.
Honestly, if I'm a coach in the Ohio Division, I flat out lobby for NY to keep their title. I would want to stay on the good side of Boston, and would want titles to be earned on the field. If this kid were a regular player, it would call into question the legitimacy of NY's championship. In that case, I would be in favor of the title being stripped.
Anyone ever watch Conan?
Congrats Coach Arno
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joliet jake
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Let me clear up the confusion CJ. It seems that Alex knew all along that the kid was ineligable. A rule was broken. No mistake about it. but the unethical way that Alex held the information back until the season was over is what gets them in it. 2 wrongs dont make it right. Ny unknowingly played an ineligible player. Alex knowingly held back the informaition thinking they would get the victory out of the it. Now this all could be true or It could have been the coolaid talking on the way to the Bengals game.
Thats where Arno comes in. He was partaking in the sauce while his assistant was at the league meeting. As the sauce got heavier Arno's lips got looser. He was in the limo with a couple of NY alumni guys letting them know he knew this from the start. The lesson learned was that Coach Arno did have a designated driver and did not drive drunk to or from the game. Note the lesson kids. Dont drink and drive. Your coach didnt and you shouldnt either.
I love these new I-phones. I can keep up with the preps while listening to the prof.
I do blame Vick. He knowingly broke the the rules. the guys that held back the information were guilty too. And dont drink and drive.
Anytime you need sound advice Captian, I'm here for you.
"How do you think the voting is going at the league meeting?" "Hey guys",
"What coach?"
"guess what we are going to do?"
Thats where Arno comes in. He was partaking in the sauce while his assistant was at the league meeting. As the sauce got heavier Arno's lips got looser. He was in the limo with a couple of NY alumni guys letting them know he knew this from the start. The lesson learned was that Coach Arno did have a designated driver and did not drive drunk to or from the game. Note the lesson kids. Dont drink and drive. Your coach didnt and you shouldnt either.
I love these new I-phones. I can keep up with the preps while listening to the prof.
I do blame Vick. He knowingly broke the the rules. the guys that held back the information were guilty too. And dont drink and drive.
Anytime you need sound advice Captian, I'm here for you.
"How do you think the voting is going at the league meeting?" "Hey guys",
"What coach?"
"guess what we are going to do?"
afan wrote:IMO, opposing coaches are more credible critics. I wonder how many of Belpre's games that you personally attended, or maybe you weren't listening to the PA.
One was an opposing coach, but it doesn't matter. Both are good players.
Also Jack, that logic is horrible. There is no connection between the two cases. One was a case of a mistake without knowledge of the rules violation. The other was a blatant disregard for the rules, and willing acts of cruelty and violence.
If Vick hired someone to pay his taxes, and that someone screwed up his tax report, causing Vick to be fined or arrested, then the two situations would be similar. Yes, ignorance is not an excuse. However, it does very much change the level of the crime.
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bucksfan08
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bucksfan08 wrote:The news was announced as final at NYHS today, and the players were crushed. Students and players alike were all crushed.
This puts everything in perspective. 08, don't let the has been, never were or wanna be posters on here bring you guys down. We know you guys held up your end of the bargain and did what you needed to do to bring home another TVC-Ohio even if it isn't on paper.
You guys walked into an extremely adverse situation when we lost the seniors last year. Guess what? You guys came away with a GREAT year. This being a REBUILDING year walked away with a winning season and a TVC title to boot. Again, just not on paper.
The seniors became the leaders they never had to be because of an exceptional class in front of them. The heart you guys showed on the field were what made this season as successful as it was. Realistically, you guys were not supposed to be in contention for the title, let alone a winning season. Hats off to you. Excluding the Ready game, I think you guys were less than 10 pts from a 9-1 season.
Remember, you guys have shown the underclassmen how to become leaders. I for one am glad the Class of 08 stepped up to this challenge. Good Luck to you all in everything you attempt in life.
I want to first point out that I have NO idea who Joliet Jake is. Was I in the limo, absolutely...was I ripped, absolutely. I had to be reminded of the things that were said the following week because I forgot what was even said. That is the truth. I was not to know of the situation at that time and when I heard it days/weeks later,it was obvious that I was not the only person who knew about it. For those of you who are lost, I'm talking about the ineligible player.
Mr. McClelland, our principal, did self report it Boiler...and that's a fact, once we got news of it. It was an oversight and we fixed it at the expense of our kids.
What people will fail to know is that one of our regular season losses came from a school that also played an ineligible player. Are we going to hold the "Ace up the sleeve"...absolutely not.
Coach Boston gave 9 yeasr of his life to the Alexander program and left with some success. It's obvious that some people in that community have forgotten about that. I would like to thank the people involved in getting rid of him because if you hadn't, he probably wouldn't be walking our sidelines. THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a disease in this area and it is called "BUCKEYE ENVY". We have a target on our back and people will do whatever it takes to knock us down. We are hated. I hope this is posterboard material for our kids because they are the only ones that will suffer.
It is also the comments from posters who hide behind a name, that say ..."it is the fact"..."I heard it from a reliable source"...etc. that needs to be kicked off the site. Joliet Jake...if you have a set of nuts then you will contact me and let me know who you are. Oh...my name is Mike Bishop and my email is [email protected]
Mr. McClelland, our principal, did self report it Boiler...and that's a fact, once we got news of it. It was an oversight and we fixed it at the expense of our kids.
What people will fail to know is that one of our regular season losses came from a school that also played an ineligible player. Are we going to hold the "Ace up the sleeve"...absolutely not.
Coach Boston gave 9 yeasr of his life to the Alexander program and left with some success. It's obvious that some people in that community have forgotten about that. I would like to thank the people involved in getting rid of him because if you hadn't, he probably wouldn't be walking our sidelines. THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a disease in this area and it is called "BUCKEYE ENVY". We have a target on our back and people will do whatever it takes to knock us down. We are hated. I hope this is posterboard material for our kids because they are the only ones that will suffer.
It is also the comments from posters who hide behind a name, that say ..."it is the fact"..."I heard it from a reliable source"...etc. that needs to be kicked off the site. Joliet Jake...if you have a set of nuts then you will contact me and let me know who you are. Oh...my name is Mike Bishop and my email is [email protected]
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powerliftingnut
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Bish, This is the reason I took my posts down. They take what they think they know and use it as material to attack our kids or coaches. I will not post on this subject again but I will talk with people in person about it. Sometimes old school is the best way to handle it. Now I am off to lift heavy, relieve my stress, and NOT commit Homicide! 
And As Always, GO Buckeyes!
And As Always, GO Buckeyes!
" If you have a problem with me or anything I say, there’s two ways to deal with it – my way or their way. My way is violence".
James "lights out" Toney
James "lights out" Toney
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boilermaker
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Im just saying if not pointed out by persons not of N-Y would they have self reported?It was well after the season after it was reported.
As for Watch out in 08,,,Im sure all the coaches in the league are losing sleep
Come on admit your mistake try and be better and move on .
We Are The TVC Ohio
See you all next season Good health to all
As for Watch out in 08,,,Im sure all the coaches in the league are losing sleep
Come on admit your mistake try and be better and move on .
We Are The TVC Ohio
See you all next season Good health to all
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OneHitWonder
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Bishtakes, can't agree with you on the us against the world mentality "BUCKEYE ENVY" although it makes perfect sense coming from N-Y. Nelsonville-York has always had a chip on their shoulder. Part of what makes them so competitive in athletics, and it has served them well over the years especially in football.
There are plenty of us out here who have a great deal of respect for what
N-Y has been able to accomplish over the years. However, this entire incident is very unfortunate and does tend to give N-Y a black-eye. I don’t have any idea what happen or didn’t happen regarding this entire incident but from what I have read some red flags do appear. For instance when a student transfers from one school to another one of the first things that happens is the school that they transferred to makes a request for grades. Once those grades are received it would be a matter of simply reviewing the grades to determine athletic eligibility. This should have happen when the student enrolled in school at N-Y, which would have been long before the River Valley game.
Now on the other hand it can take quite awhile for a school district “Alexander†to transfer the records to the new school. So maybe they were “extremely†slow in transferring the grades to N-Y. In that case it’s possible albeit unlikely that N-Y had no record of the student’s academic progress when he played in the River Valley game. What makes this even more unlikely is the fact that both school districts are part of SEOVEC, which means that the electronic transfer of grades would have occurred rather quickly.
In my humble opinion what probably happened was the grades were received around the time school started (a very busy time for administrators, counsels, etc) got filed away without being reviewed for athletic eligibility, (keep in mind this is a freshman who saw no action in 6 of the 8 games) Then the grade deficiency was found when the first grading period finished up. Remember N-Y started earlier than other school districts this year.
What N-Y decided to do once the error was found is anyone’s guess. Unlike some posters “Joliet Jake†I do not have ESP and have not posted enough to develop his mind reading abilities or his extensive list of “reliable sources†so the most I can do is speculate. I want to believe that N-Y chose the high road and decided to self-report as has been posted on SEOP. If this was done after the error was found the time frame would probably put the report to the OHSAA around week nine or ten of the football season.
Unfortunately If they choose not to report the incident and sweep it under the rug until someone “Alexander†threaten to blow the whistle on them (which has also been reported on SEOP) the time frame would probably be about the same. So we will probably never know for sure.
Either way I have to put the initial blame on Nelsonville-York for not being diligent enough in their review of the student’s academic records. This was an oversight (in my opinion that show not have happened)
In conclusion “It happen, N-Y has been reprimanded, Get over it, Move on!
There are plenty of us out here who have a great deal of respect for what
N-Y has been able to accomplish over the years. However, this entire incident is very unfortunate and does tend to give N-Y a black-eye. I don’t have any idea what happen or didn’t happen regarding this entire incident but from what I have read some red flags do appear. For instance when a student transfers from one school to another one of the first things that happens is the school that they transferred to makes a request for grades. Once those grades are received it would be a matter of simply reviewing the grades to determine athletic eligibility. This should have happen when the student enrolled in school at N-Y, which would have been long before the River Valley game.
Now on the other hand it can take quite awhile for a school district “Alexander†to transfer the records to the new school. So maybe they were “extremely†slow in transferring the grades to N-Y. In that case it’s possible albeit unlikely that N-Y had no record of the student’s academic progress when he played in the River Valley game. What makes this even more unlikely is the fact that both school districts are part of SEOVEC, which means that the electronic transfer of grades would have occurred rather quickly.
In my humble opinion what probably happened was the grades were received around the time school started (a very busy time for administrators, counsels, etc) got filed away without being reviewed for athletic eligibility, (keep in mind this is a freshman who saw no action in 6 of the 8 games) Then the grade deficiency was found when the first grading period finished up. Remember N-Y started earlier than other school districts this year.
What N-Y decided to do once the error was found is anyone’s guess. Unlike some posters “Joliet Jake†I do not have ESP and have not posted enough to develop his mind reading abilities or his extensive list of “reliable sources†so the most I can do is speculate. I want to believe that N-Y chose the high road and decided to self-report as has been posted on SEOP. If this was done after the error was found the time frame would probably put the report to the OHSAA around week nine or ten of the football season.
Unfortunately If they choose not to report the incident and sweep it under the rug until someone “Alexander†threaten to blow the whistle on them (which has also been reported on SEOP) the time frame would probably be about the same. So we will probably never know for sure.
Either way I have to put the initial blame on Nelsonville-York for not being diligent enough in their review of the student’s academic records. This was an oversight (in my opinion that show not have happened)
In conclusion “It happen, N-Y has been reprimanded, Get over it, Move on!
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joliet jake
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I go out to have some coolaid with some college buddies and my handle is all over seop. For one I have friends at most of the tvc schools, it seems that the ones not from ny know more about this than the ones at ny. I get what I hear mostly rumors and post some and the posts that stem from that usually puts the puzzle together or we get someone that finally gets tired of the rumors and posts the truth, finally.
I will put it to rest as far as posts go this evening.
Bishtakes, I am a Buckeye thru and thru but to call me out like you did was completly stupid. Look at my posting history, I have never said a negative word against ny EVER in my posts. Am I going to tell who I am becuase you want me too. NO, you dont call the shots on SEOP. If everyone on here wanted people to know who they were they wouldnt make up names and we would never have no holds barred discusions like we do, everyone would worry about being politcally correct. I am now an NY alum not as long as you have but never the less trying to support the town I grew up in. I dont live in Nelsonville anymore but was planning on returning after college. But to tell you the truth this pisses me off. Ultimately Alex did turn us in and it was the head coach that did it. I am not his buddy and to tell you the truth didnt know a lot about him until all this stuff came up. If you want to be serious all of a sudden because your not the one clowning around, go join the huddle and they will kick all the guys off who clown around. Ive laughed a plenty of your posts but now we better get serious.
Here I am defending our Buckeyes everywhere sometimes I am the only poster that has the nuts to get on here and defend us and I get blasted by another Buckeye. Its been a long time since I got drunk and Im a college student, heck I am suppose to. But I think I will get it out of my system before I graduate. I hope I am not in my 40s and 50s and still going out and getting ripped with my buddies. I hope I set a better example than that. Good luck to the Buckeyes next year and for a long time to come..
Guess I wont be stopping by to get my bash tickets. Doesnt sound like you need the support. Captain Jack, Hawkeye, Boilermaker, and the rest of you, Have at em, I am off duty as the Buckeye Watch dog.,
I will put it to rest as far as posts go this evening.
Bishtakes, I am a Buckeye thru and thru but to call me out like you did was completly stupid. Look at my posting history, I have never said a negative word against ny EVER in my posts. Am I going to tell who I am becuase you want me too. NO, you dont call the shots on SEOP. If everyone on here wanted people to know who they were they wouldnt make up names and we would never have no holds barred discusions like we do, everyone would worry about being politcally correct. I am now an NY alum not as long as you have but never the less trying to support the town I grew up in. I dont live in Nelsonville anymore but was planning on returning after college. But to tell you the truth this pisses me off. Ultimately Alex did turn us in and it was the head coach that did it. I am not his buddy and to tell you the truth didnt know a lot about him until all this stuff came up. If you want to be serious all of a sudden because your not the one clowning around, go join the huddle and they will kick all the guys off who clown around. Ive laughed a plenty of your posts but now we better get serious.
Here I am defending our Buckeyes everywhere sometimes I am the only poster that has the nuts to get on here and defend us and I get blasted by another Buckeye. Its been a long time since I got drunk and Im a college student, heck I am suppose to. But I think I will get it out of my system before I graduate. I hope I am not in my 40s and 50s and still going out and getting ripped with my buddies. I hope I set a better example than that. Good luck to the Buckeyes next year and for a long time to come..
Guess I wont be stopping by to get my bash tickets. Doesnt sound like you need the support. Captain Jack, Hawkeye, Boilermaker, and the rest of you, Have at em, I am off duty as the Buckeye Watch dog.,
WOW...this has gotten ugly and maybe I was a little rough. My only gripe about your earlier post was the posting of the information about what went on in the limo. This was no place to say anything about anybody about the trip. That is it. Sorry for going off on you.
On the other hand...you claim to be a Buckeye Fan and you still haven't bought a BASH ticket.
I'm signing off for good. GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the other hand...you claim to be a Buckeye Fan and you still haven't bought a BASH ticket.
I'm signing off for good. GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Run Bubba Run
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So let me get this straight.
N-Y win over Wellston is a forfeit win for Wellston. I think that makes the official score 2-0 in favor of Wellston. Please, anyone, correct me if that is wrong.
Final TVC Ohio standings are as follows??
4-1-0 Belpre
3-2-0 Meigs
3-2-0 N-York
3-2-0 VC
1-4-0 Alex
1-4-0 Wellston
Belpre is the 2007 TVC-Ohio Champion.
Final Scoring Totals:
Alex
Off - 70
Def - 159
Belpre
Off - 79
Def - 75
Meigs
Off - 159
Def - 67
N-York
Off - 72
Def - 53
VC
Off - 131
Def - 75
Wellston
Off - 63
Def - 145
If these are not correct, please let me know. I think they are.
This whole thing has been a sordid affair for sure. Shame on the N-Y admin people for not making the necessary checks prior to giving a transfer eligibility. Double shame on the Alex folks for holding back on their info until after the season. I am not a N-Y guy, but that is just not right.
N-Y win over Wellston is a forfeit win for Wellston. I think that makes the official score 2-0 in favor of Wellston. Please, anyone, correct me if that is wrong.
Final TVC Ohio standings are as follows??
4-1-0 Belpre
3-2-0 Meigs
3-2-0 N-York
3-2-0 VC
1-4-0 Alex
1-4-0 Wellston
Belpre is the 2007 TVC-Ohio Champion.
Final Scoring Totals:
Alex
Off - 70
Def - 159
Belpre
Off - 79
Def - 75
Meigs
Off - 159
Def - 67
N-York
Off - 72
Def - 53
VC
Off - 131
Def - 75
Wellston
Off - 63
Def - 145
If these are not correct, please let me know. I think they are.
This whole thing has been a sordid affair for sure. Shame on the N-Y admin people for not making the necessary checks prior to giving a transfer eligibility. Double shame on the Alex folks for holding back on their info until after the season. I am not a N-Y guy, but that is just not right.