SOC II 2011

[WE ARE ND]

no, i am saying that Burg has as good of a shot as anybody...i am not saying that it is a gurantee, but there is absolutely no reason to count them out...yes i am putting a good deal of faith in their tradition of reloading and finding their own way to win like they always seem able to do, but with the potential that the team has, and the losses of talent all around the league, they have the same chances to bring home another golden trophy as ever...the boys, knowing that they are already being counted out, knowing that other teams think they can just walk over them will be pushing farther and working harder and preparing more than ever before to prove everybody dead wrong again...I just really dont see west beating them...valley is the team to look out for this year if they can get over the mental aspect of it...

but go ahead and cross them off your list...just might be in for another surprise

[sider]

Valley will beat the Burg this year, I do think Burg will be ok, but all of these people expecting burg to be bad last year really didn't look at the team very much, they had 4 returning starters on the o-line, one of the best backs in this part of the state returning, and 17 seniors...thats a combination for a pretty good team...I know the burg is the burg, you're preaching to the choir, I watched or played against them every year since I have been in middle school and have seen them be a factor in the Soc every year, but there have been stretches when they have been mediocre, I'm not sayin they'll go 0-10, but I could see them going 5-5 or 6-4. With that being said I think the title will come down to week 8 with Valley and West playing for the title...West has had trouble with Valley as of late, but I think they are a little more talented in the trenches, we return a bunch o and d linemen

1. West
2. Valley
3. Burg
4. Minford
5. Waverly
6. Northwest

[WE ARE ND]

IMO
1.West
2.Valley
3.Burg
4.Minford
5.Northwest
6.Waverly

[The D]

1. Burg/Valley
2. Burg/Valley
3. West
4. Minford
5. Waverly
6. Northwest

[vladimir]

Minford returns 8 of 11 on offense and defense. Only lost one off the lines, so they'll have a team like W'burg had last year, and will rely on dominate line play, teams will load the box to try and stop it. The ? will be the QB position and if they can pass when needed. I can think of 4 kids ranging from Freshman to Senior that could land this job. The FB position will be handled by 3 yr starter and 2 yr all state and D POY: Tyler Gaines, and also a transfer from Texas whos Dad is from Minford that finished up his career in the Army.

As far as underclassman and what's coming up, Minford freshman last year, a class of 22, won all but tied Wheelersburg in the first game of the year. There was no OT as the Refs wanted to get home to watch the OSU Marshall game. Minford has just as much talent at the upcoming Soph level as Wheelersburg.

[fbnut]

Minford returns 8 of 11 on offense and defense. Only lost one off the lines, so they'll have a team like W'burg had last year, and will rely on dominate line play, teams will load the box to try and stop it. The ? will be the QB position and if they can pass when needed. I can think of 4 kids ranging from Freshman to Senior that could land this job. The FB position will be handled by 3 yr starter and 2 yr all state and D POY: Tyler Gaines, and also a transfer from Texas whos Dad is from Minford that finished up his career in the Army.

As far as underclassman and what's coming up, Minford freshman last year, a class of 22, won all but tied Wheelersburg in the first game of the year. There was no OT as the Refs wanted to get home to watch the OSU Marshall game. Minford has just as much talent at the upcoming Soph level as Wheelersburg.

I think the burg-minford freshman played twice last yr, the first was a tie but I think the burg won the 2nd game, not sure on the score.

[vladimir]

The freshman did not play twice, or at least I dont remember it. The JVs played the monday after the varsity game which was in Burg favor 14- 6.

[fbnut]

The freshman did not play twice, or at least I dont remember it. The JVs played the monday after the varsity game which was in Burg favor 14- 6.

not the jv game, oct 12 at minford 24-12 24-14 burg something like that

[sider]

Waverly's been running the spread for years.

That soft style of play like Portsmouth, is probably why their defense is terrible.

Whaaaa????? :122246 :122246 :122246 we actually agree on something LOL

Its obvious that the spread offense just doesn'w work, not at the high school level in this area anyway...southern ohio football was founded and ruled by power football, and thats just not going to change. Soft agile schemes will never compare to brute strength and pounding the ball up the middle...

Its hard to win games when you have players that go two ways and run the spread. When o-line arent used to attack and delivering hits its hard to have them change that into an attacking mentality when they go on defense...hard, not impossible however.

It seems most teams in this area is that think it a sin to pass the ball...the passing game only gets attention when it is 2nd or 3rd and long.when playing weak teams, most area teams will think "why pass the ball when we can run it down their throat" and when they play teams that are as good or better than they are incapable of running a balanced offense. You don't have to throw the ball 40 times a game, if you can attempt to pass 8-15 times a game, every game, thats enough balance to keep the opposition honest and not enough to make the linemen play passive

I feel the biggest reason that passing games are looked over in Southern Ohio is the time and requirement of knowledge that it takes to teach. Quarterback play, receiver play, and protection is much more confusing...its not easy to teach kids to run a good passing game with limited coaches (who don't always know much about passing the football) and limited time. Also most coaches around here know and love a run-based system (Wing-t, straight t, wishbone) and would rather put more time putting in new wrinkles off of their off-tackle and trap plays than putting in some 3 and 5 step drops passing concepts...

Is possible to win state championships without passing? Yes, Ironton has done it and option based teams win them often, but lining and trying to run over people probably won't work when you get out of the region. I don't think coaches around here are dumb, I feel we have some good ones around, but schools wrapped up too much in league championships and school tradition which limits them in making schematic and coach/player personnel decisions which keeps many teams from winning state championships

[Orange_N_Black_Fan]

Waverly's been running the spread for years.

That soft style of play like Portsmouth, is probably why their defense is terrible.

Whaaaa????? :122246 :122246 :122246 we actually agree on something LOL

Its obvious that the spread offense just doesn'w work, not at the high school level in this area anyway...southern ohio football was founded and ruled by power football, and thats just not going to change. Soft agile schemes will never compare to brute strength and pounding the ball up the middle...

Its hard to win games when you have players that go two ways and run the spread. When o-line arent used to attack and delivering hits its hard to have them change that into an attacking mentality when they go on defense...hard, not impossible however.

It seems most teams in this area is that think it a sin to pass the ball...the passing game only gets attention when it is 2nd or 3rd and long.when playing weak teams, most area teams will think "why pass the ball when we can run it down their throat" and when they play teams that are as good or better than they are incapable of running a balanced offense. You don't have to throw the ball 40 times a game, if you can attempt to pass 8-15 times a game, every game, thats enough balance to keep the opposition honest and not enough to make the linemen play passive

I feel the biggest reason that passing games are looked over in Southern Ohio is the time and requirement of knowledge that it takes to teach. Quarterback play, receiver play, and protection is much more confusing...its not easy to teach kids to run a good passing game with limited coaches (who don't always know much about passing the football) and limited time. Also most coaches around here know and love a run-based system (Wing-t, straight t, wishbone) and would rather put more time putting in new wrinkles off of their off-tackle and trap plays than putting in some 3 and 5 step drops passing concepts...

Is possible to win state championships without passing? Yes, Ironton has done it and option based teams win them often, but lining and trying to run over people probably won't work when you get out of the region. I don't think coaches around here are dumb, I feel we have some good ones around, but schools wrapped up too much in league championships and school tradition which limits them in making schematic and coach/player personnel decisions which keeps many teams from winning state championships

Ironton reached the state by run and pass, they had a lot of talent in 89'
in fact Ironton scored 2tds in the state championship, one which came by pass
at that time it was a state record for the lomgest pass from scrimmage in DIII.
QB Craig Pleasant hit WR Danny Cox for a 60 + yarder, I think for the first score
of the game, I don't remember for sure I listend by radio.
It could have been the second score of the game, but I think the record has since been broken.

[sider]

I stand corrected, that was a little before my time, I do know that lutz will pass if he see fits or has a good quarterback...but I still feel that it is possible to win without passing after all defense (and typically a good ground game) wins championships...but if your gonna run power off tackle and iso out of a 2 tight end 3 back set all game, your beating your head off of a wall...u have to at least mix in a good change of pace such as the veer

[fbnut]

I stand corrected, that was a little before my time, I do know that lutz will pass if he see fits or has a good quarterback...but I still feel that it is possible to win without passing after all defense (and typically a good ground game) wins championships...but if your gonna run power off tackle and iso out of a 2 tight end 3 back set all game, your beating your head off of a wall...u have to at least mix in a good change of pace such as the veer

Brian White a wheelersburg grad and current head coach at Hilliard Davidson has won 2 state championships in Div 1 with a offense that probably avg 1-2 passes a game. His teams don't turn the ball over, very few mistakes and play great D.

[sider]

I stand corrected, that was a little before my time, I do know that lutz will pass if he see fits or has a good quarterback...but I still feel that it is possible to win without passing after all defense (and typically a good ground game) wins championships...but if your gonna run power off tackle and iso out of a 2 tight end 3 back set all game, your beating your head off of a wall...u have to at least mix in a good change of pace such as the veer

Brian White a wheelersburg grad and current head coach at Hilliard Davidson has won 2 state championships in Div 1 with a offense that probably avg 1-2 passes a game. His teams don't turn the ball over, very few mistakes and play great D.

Hillard runs a very good flexbone-option offense, they beat a more athletic/talented Glenville squad two years ago. You see many more option teams that win state championships than spread teams (especially in D3-D6). Kettering Alter, is another good option team (Wishbone) who has had success at the state level recently, as is Delphos St. Johns...Imo the option is something that every team should incorporate in some shape or form.

Another thought (even though this is an Soc forum) you do not see many Wing-t teams in the later rounds as much as they once were...coincidently many teams in So. Ohio are wing-t teams, I have my own theory, but does anyone else see a correlation? Or does everyone think its the talent level in the area?

[The D]

a team and coaching staff that can work with the talent that they have is what brings success guys...no single type is absolutely better than the rest...if a team has the speed, talent, endurance, and enough players to run a spread offense against the slower power teams, it will work...if a team is all muscle, its a power rushing offense...the teams that prepare and incorporate things to suit the talent that they have successfully are the ones you see making huge runs in the playoffs...

[FarAwayFalcon]

It's not about being able to pass the ball, look at the past state champs they are power run based teams. It's about still being able to pound the ball against better competiton. How do you do that? Technique first and foremost, formation the defense into a vulnerable position, and of course a few passes here and there. It really doesn't matter what you do, you just have to do it better than whoever you're playing.

[The D]

It's not about being able to pass the ball, look at the past state champs they are power run based teams. It's about still being able to pound the ball against better competiton. How do you do that? Technique first and foremost, formation the defense into a vulnerable position, and of course a few passes here and there. It really doesn't matter what you do, you just have to do it better than whoever you're playing.

exactly...if a team has the talent to pass successfully, they should harness it and use it, but if not there is no reason to focus on it...a team has to play their own game with the talent that they have and prepare for every situation...

[coop]

Interesting read here...lol

[F-4 Phantom]

Minford sucks, they'll be lucky to win 4 games this year.

What did you see that others didn't? Interesting!!

[Bo_Diaz]

Plenty of crow to go around on this thread. Also a few people that don't seem to post much anymore.

[coop]

Plenty of crow to go around on this thread. Also a few people that don't seem to post much anymore.

Exactly, thats whats interesting....