2014-REGION 17

[wobycat]

I'd say jump off topic. I'm fine if you don't care.

Hartley is another subject and will change with competitive balance.
Eastmoore is another subject and will be disappointed not winning the region.

[nutronron2012]

Here, I looked it up for everyone. Here's the top 2, region 17.

D3 281-402 boys. Eastmoore 2013 count- 288

D5 156-212 boys. Burg 2014 count-170

Now that's a plus 110 easy for eastmoore. Let's say a third of that count plays football, roughly 35 kids.
That's enough to field an offense and defense, with replacements.
If you don't think that doesn't affect a team, well I can't help you. Eastmoore may not contend for d3, but if you don't think they will contend for d5, then you must feel your team can best anyone. Eastmoore has a count for d3 not d5, that simple.

You're saying the scandal was that teams reported higher. Is that correct? Eastmoore does not have 288 kids?

Eastmoor has between 45-50 kids on their roster. I have seen them this year.

It does not matter how many kids are on a roster. It does matter how many boys they have to choose from.

[wobycat]

^^^^^
Exactly

[4thgoal]

Let's all just hope things work out for a Hartley vs. Eastmoor round 1 game!

[nutronron2012]

^^^^^^ ^^^^^

[bengals01]

Here, I looked it up for everyone. Here's the top 2, region 17.

D3 281-402 boys. Eastmoore 2013 count- 288

D5 156-212 boys. Burg 2014 count-170

Now that's a plus 110 easy for eastmoore. Let's say a third of that count plays football, roughly 35 kids.
That's enough to field an offense and defense, with replacements.
If you don't think that doesn't affect a team, well I can't help you. Eastmoore may not contend for d3, but if you don't think they will contend for d5, then you must feel your team can best anyone. Eastmoore has a count for d3 not d5, that simple.

You're saying the scandal was that teams reported higher. Is that correct? Eastmoore does not have 288 kids?

It wisent teams reporting inflated enrollment it was the schools reporting inflated enrollment
Eastmoore after the recount on sept. 10th has less than 212 boys in grades 10-12 (that would have been 9-11 last year )

[wobycat]

It doesn't matter who reported it. Plus teams are to report 9-12, unless I'm wrong on that.

[bengals01]

It doesn't matter who reported it. Plus teams are to report 9-12, unless I'm wrong on that.

The Ohio High School Athletic Association
2013-2014 and 2014-2015 OHSAA Tournament and Governance
Enrollment Figures

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The male and female enrollments of our member schools are used to determine OHSAA governance classifications (AAA, AA, A) and the OHSAA tournament divisions for each sport. The enrollment figures below are based on the number of students in grades 9, 10 and 11 with athletic opportunities as of October 2012. These numbers were provided by the Ohio Department of Education through their Education Management Information System (EMIS). These enrollment figures will be used to determine OHSAA tournament divisions for the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 school years.

The 2013-214 and 2014-15 OHSAA FINALenrollments and representation classifications were approved
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OHSAA fall tournament divisions will be posted after the Board of Directors approval in June.

The FINAL enrollment figures below are based on the enrollment of students with athletic participation opportunities
in grades 9, 10 and 11 as of October 2012.

[Trojan_Pride]

is this order in which playoffs are played??

round 1
1 vs 8
2 vs 7
3 vs 6
4 vs 5

round 2
highest remaining vs lowest remaining
next highest remaining vs next lowest remaing

[Gray Fighting Tiger]

is this order in which playoffs are played??

round 1
1 vs 8
2 vs 7
3 vs 6
4 vs 5

round 2
highest remaining vs lowest remaining
next highest remaining vs next lowest remaing

Round 1 is as you have stated. In round 2, it would be the 1 vs 8 winner facing the 4 vs 5 winner in one regional semi; and the 2 vs 7 winner facing the 3 vs 6 winner in the other regional semi. In round 3 (regional championship) of course it's the winners of the round 2 games.

This setup prevents seed 1 and seed 2 from meeting before the regional final.

[The Oaf]

I just don't see anybody beating Hartley in this region! With their schedule they will be so battle tested that the playoffs will be a welcome relief to them.

[JasonClaytor]

I think Hartleys schedule plays into their favor, come playoff time. They are getting better every week and have really learned how to battle through adversity.

I do think there are four or five very good teams in the region that will not be easy outs. Obviously Hartley is probably the best team in the region, but I see Eastmoor, and Wheelersburg being very tough come playoff time. St. Clairsville and Liberty Union will also be in the mix, but I don't think their wins are as nearly as impressive as Hartley, Wheelersburg, Eastmoor, or Ironton.

I think Ironton vs St. Charles will tell a lot about the improvement of Ironton since week one. St. Charles has a bad record but have played very tough competition, with Dublin Coffmann, Big Walnut, Hartley, and Eastmoor, who are all playoff teams in their respective divisions.

Would love to see a Wheelersburg, or Ironton match up against Hartley in the playoffs. Hartley vs. Ironton in 2010, and Wheelersburg vs. Hartley last year, were both very exciting games. I think those games would be great again this year!

[Jolly P(irate)]

Can't wait to see how the next 5 weeks play out. Hartley will be a tough out. But so will Ironton and Burg. West may be a long shot to get in. Not counting the eggs in my basket til we see how the SOC2 pans out.

[Pol pot]

i agree it is what it is but there is sad part to it which is = pretty much eliminated ports west and it (might) force BURG to travel week 11 if they lose to valley

alot of if's still out there but should start shaping up here in few weeks

How bout if Burg looses to Jackson? Oh wait, that wasn't possible!

[Pol pot]

It doesn't matter who reported it. Plus teams are to report 9-12, unless I'm wrong on that.

Yeah, you'd be wrong on that!

[doubleplay643]

If this Eastmoor situation ends up knocking Portsmouth West out of a spot it would be in my opinion very unfair. OHSAA should not penalize the Eastmoor kids and not let them play their regular season schedule obviously, but it should at least make that school district (and any others doing the same thing) ineligible from post season play for a year or two. Let them play their 10 regular season games but that is it, administration and local board members of these schools need to be held accountable for some of these decisions.

Rewarding a district that intentionally and willfully lied about their enrollment to make it higher than actual to not lose funding per pupil is wrong, seems to me that OHSAA missed on this one.

[Pol pot]

Why is any of this unfair? Enrollement numbers are on a 2 year count cycle of 9-11 grade students. The OHSAA is very clear in their policies about the count, the method in which the count is conducted, and what or when a re-count would be needed. As for placement, Eastmoore Academy deserves to be in the correct classification, just like every other school deserves to be in the correct classification. Kudos to the OHSAA in dealing with this after the closing of Brookhaven H.S.

[Pol pot]

If this Eastmoor situation ends up knocking Portsmouth West out of a spot it would be in my opinion very unfair. OHSAA should not penalize the Eastmoor kids and not let them play their regular season schedule obviously, but it should at least make that school district (and any others doing the same thing) ineligible from post season play for a year or two. Let them play their 10 regular season games but that is it, administration and local board members of these schools need to be held accountable for some of these decisions.

Rewarding a district that intentionally and willfully lied about their enrollment to make it higher than actual to not lose funding per pupil is wrong, seems to me that OHSAA missed on this one.

Why should Eastmoor be banned from post season play?

[doubleplay643]

If this Eastmoor situation ends up knocking Portsmouth West out of a spot it would be in my opinion very unfair. OHSAA should not penalize the Eastmoor kids and not let them play their regular season schedule obviously, but it should at least make that school district (and any others doing the same thing) ineligible from post season play for a year or two. Let them play their 10 regular season games but that is it, administration and local board members of these schools need to be held accountable for some of these decisions.

Rewarding a district that intentionally and willfully lied about their enrollment to make it higher than actual to not lose funding per pupil is wrong, seems to me that OHSAA missed on this one.

Why should Eastmoor be banned from post season play?

Well, they probably shouldn't be it isn't the kids fault. Little hasty of a post on my part to be honest.

The district intentionally misrepresented (in this case inflated) number of students in order to maintain certain funding levels as I understand the situation. Once this news was out OHSAA did what it should and is in the by-laws and took the actual number or count and put them where they were supposed to be.

Just being a little biased lol and taking up for West if the situation ends up knocking them out. Better way is for West to just beat Burg and Valley and take care of matters themselves.

I retract my Eastmoor position, little off the mark.

[Pol pot]

If this Eastmoor situation ends up knocking Portsmouth West out of a spot it would be in my opinion very unfair. OHSAA should not penalize the Eastmoor kids and not let them play their regular season schedule obviously, but it should at least make that school district (and any others doing the same thing) ineligible from post season play for a year or two. Let them play their 10 regular season games but that is it, administration and local board members of these schools need to be held accountable for some of these decisions.

Rewarding a district that intentionally and willfully lied about their enrollment to make it higher than actual to not lose funding per pupil is wrong, seems to me that OHSAA missed on this one.

Why should Eastmoor be banned from post season play?

Well, they probably shouldn't be it isn't the kids fault. Little hasty of a post on my part to be honest.

The district intentionally misrepresented (in this case inflated) number of students in order to maintain certain funding levels as I understand the situation. Once this news was out OHSAA did what it should and is in the by-laws and took the actual number or count and put them where they were supposed to be.

Just being a little biased lol and taking up for West if the situation ends up knocking them out. Better way is for West to just beat Burg and Valley and take care of matters themselves.

I retract my Eastmoor position, little of the mark.

Hopefully those responsible for the data scrubbing will go to jail. The OHSAA uses the official count of the Ohio Department of Education, that is used for funding, so fudging those numbers is a serious offense.