Logan Football League Talk

[SEOALlives]

The Buckeye division should cut ties from the MSL and form it's own independent league. Resurrect the COL with a big and small school division to form a 10 team conference.

COL
Logan
Teays Valley
Canal Winchester
Hamilton Township
Chillicothe

Amanda-Clearcreek
Fairfield Union
Bloom-Carrol
Logan Elm
Circleville

So why can't Jackson fit into this. You think those schools are afraid of Jackson? I can understand that if so.

[noreply66]

I think Jackson biggest negative is location. I know Jackson would say no problem with travel time to the SCOL or MSL but in return it may be different. Jackson is in a location where there are a ton of schools but only a few could compete with their football program and almost every school goes on that. Jackson, Logan and Warren have sports where they can rule and with about every league in southeastern, Ohio with school that are in what might not have the population to be called a town, these three will never get in.

[SEOALlives]

I think Jackson biggest negative is location. I know Jackson would say no problem with travel time to the SCOL or MSL but in return it may be different. Jackson is in a location where there are a ton of schools but only a few could compete with their football program and almost every school goes on that. Jackson, Logan and Warren have sports where they can rule and with about every league in southeastern, Ohio with school that are in what might not have the population to be called a town, these three will never get in.

I think you are right Jackson will travel anywhere. It's good roads from all of those schools to Jackson too so that isn't a problem.

[GoBucks1047]

The Buckeye division should cut ties from the MSL and form it's own independent league. Resurrect the COL with a big and small school division to form a 10 team conference.

COL
Logan
Teays Valley
Canal Winchester
Hamilton Township
Chillicothe

Amanda-Clearcreek
Fairfield Union
Bloom-Carrol
Logan Elm
Circleville

Yeah, you could also add Liberty Union to the little school division and add Jackson to the big school division and there's 12 teams and they can do 1-3 crossover games non-division in football and have 6-8 conference games and then conference games for other main sports can be twice in division (10) and once out of division (6) for 16 conference games.

[Vegeta]

The MSL schools are not going to travel to Jackson. Their only hope for a conference is Logan staying put and the SEOAL expanding, or the TVC finally accepting them and Warren. The latter scenario being a huge long shot. Jackson is in a tough spot.

[formerfcfan]

Locos

As for visiting bands, they don't pay admission and the concessions all go to the Logan Band Boosters (not athletics) so that would be a wash. But like I said, it's really about a home gate.

Not to split hairs, but I was going with band parents buying tickets at Logan to see their kids perform on the field.

I think we're starting to get into a gray area when we're bringing up the Central Ohio League, a potential Buckeye separation from the MSL, etc without some context.

1. That's a very "loose" resurrection of the Central Ohio League. At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon, however, that is nothing like the old COL. The COL I think is so dead in its legacy and history, and their former members are a couple conference re-affiliations removed, that trying to make a conference of that brand is a very confusing idea to many while also being a downright bad one. (In fact, I think you may jade some Chillicothe alumni in the process).

2. I don't see what "the Buckeye cut[ting] ties from the MSL" accomplishes. Again, I think we're forgetting our history here. The Buckeye constituency (at least BC, FU, LU, AC, Logan Elm - along with former rivals Fisher Catholic, Millersport, and Berne Union) has been the de facto establishment, longevity, and frankly the only (still-)relevant history that lives on in the MSL today. The Ohio Division of the MSL has gone through constant entering and leaving, the Franklin County schools (rich private schools, enclave school districts) are very content with what the MSL can do for them there after they had to abandon the old Buckeye Athletic Conference. The Cardinal Division doesn't have that much history or real relationship, as it was crafted as an extension of the MSL for schools like Fisher, MP, and BU who couldn't compete with Teays Valley, Hamilton, Circleville, and a Canal Winchester that was expecting growth. Most of the former Cardinal Division schools are either in the Licking County League or are in the Ohio Division, although West Jefferson is leaving the MSL-Ohio and Liberty Union is probably looking to the north.

3. I don't think the Fairfield County schools want to leave the MSL, except LU who at current is struggling in football and basketball. The prevailing argument as to why the MSL-Buckeye at current isn't working for them is because they are standing to get killed by Teays Valley, Hamilton, and Roundtown (Circleville) consistently in football for years to come now that their "super classes" are long gone.

[Vegeta]

Locos

As for visiting bands, they don't pay admission and the concessions all go to the Logan Band Boosters (not athletics) so that would be a wash. But like I said, it's really about a home gate.

Not to split hairs, but I was going with band parents buying tickets at Logan to see their kids perform on the field.

I think we're starting to get into a gray area when we're bringing up the Central Ohio League, a potential Buckeye separation from the MSL, etc without some context.

1. That's a very "loose" resurrection of the Central Ohio League. At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon, however, that is nothing like the old COL. The COL I think is so dead in its legacy and history, and their former members are a couple conference re-affiliations removed, that trying to make a conference of that brand is a very confusing idea to many while also being a downright bad one. (In fact, I think you may jade some Chillicothe alumni in the process).

2. I don't see what "the Buckeye cut[ting] ties from the MSL" accomplishes. Again, I think we're forgetting our history here. The Buckeye constituency (at least BC, FU, LU, AC, Logan Elm - along with former rivals Fisher Catholic, Millersport, and Berne Union) has been the de facto establishment, longevity, and frankly the only (still-)relevant history that lives on in the MSL today. The Ohio Division of the MSL has gone through constant entering and leaving, the Franklin County schools (rich private schools, enclave school districts) are very content with what the MSL can do for them there after they had to abandon the old Buckeye Athletic Conference. The Cardinal Division doesn't have that much history or real relationship, as it was crafted as an extension of the MSL for schools like Fisher, MP, and BU who couldn't compete with Teays Valley, Hamilton, Circleville, and a Canal Winchester that was expecting growth. Most of the former Cardinal Division schools are either in the Licking County League or are in the Ohio Division, although West Jefferson is leaving the MSL-Ohio and Liberty Union is probably looking to the north.

3. I don't think the Fairfield County schools want to leave the MSL, except LU who at current is struggling in football and basketball. The prevailing argument as to why the MSL-Buckeye at current isn't working for them is because they are standing to get killed by Teays Valley, Hamilton, and Roundtown (Circleville) consistently in football for years to come now that their "super classes" are long gone.

It doesn't have to be called the COL. I don't care what they call it, but I think the 10 team league above could work for all parties involved.

[formerfcfan]

If the MSL really wanted Logan, they would have found a way to add them by now.

I don't know if I agree with this rhetoric, I'll explain why:

The MSL has a lot of great sports programs - although not too many "great" sports schools - across all three of its divisions, some of whom overpower their entire division. That competitive divide in some cases is rooted in simple talent, stability, and coaching. In other cases, it's tethered into infrastructure. These divides are pretty evident now. There has been much discussion about crossover scheduling: it already happens in football with the Cardinal and Ohio (which, struggling D7's playing playoff D3's D4's and D5's... yeesh), some think that "tiering" the programs based on strength (on a sport by sport basis) and schedule non-league games that way can be a good idea, too. The latter hasn't materialized, yet.

Football moves the meter, but the Fairfield County schools don't at current have very good programs. My guess is that some think if Logan ever reaches their fullest potential in football, they'll be too much for schools such as BC (who hasn't achieved any sustainable success recently because they have gone through how many football coaches in how many years?), FU (no comment there, just not very good), AC (who is trying to recuperate from the hardships pay-to-play put on football), and LU (who is now just pretty bad after those aforementioned really good classes graduated and the Johnson family not leading the program anymore). Those are four schools, three if LU moves out of the picture. It makes a lot of sense for Logan to be in the league for football with LE, Hamilton Twp, Circleville, and Teays.

So why hasn't it happened? It is just really tough to tell how the future looks for the programs, what enrollment prospects are looking like in not just the MSL but other areas, and trying to achieve that optimum "what can being in the MSL do for us" principle that their long-time members are trying to get. The latter is pretty well manifested with the topic of cross-scheduling.

There may have been a chance when Canal Winchester left for the OCC, but they instead tried to internally re-align (hey... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes internal re-alignment can pay off pretty well). They re-aligned by putting Liberty Union, who was in a tough spot because 3/8 of Cardinal Division (who were also the three teams in the Cardinal that could hang with LU football back then) was going elsewhere. For two years, that LU-to-the-Buckeye looked pretty good. Now? It still looks somewhat good, depending on who you ask. LU is very easy to get to from any Fairfield County school, there is a ton of deep-rooted tradition of them playing Amanda, FU, BC etc. But from their perspective, it's not as good.

[Orange and Brown]

And I'll say it again..... If the MSL wanted Logan they would have sent an invite by now.

[GoBucks1047]

Seen this in the ECOL falling apart? topic, but apparently Zanesville didn't get into the LCL. If this is indeed true, Logan's chances of getting in could be as good as a boulder floating on water. Also, Dover and New Philly also apparently didn't make it either to the league they was interested in joining, keeping the ECOL at 8 members for now. Does Marrieta still think about leaving the ECOL to join the SEOAL should Logan be denied into the LCL and remain in the SEOAL?

[javagt]

I don't think it's been confirmed what two schools are interested in the SEOAL There are some tight lips around here.
This may get real interesting...

[loganlocos]

fcfan -

I'm completely get the MSL-Buckeye. And I think its why a number of folks in Logan are sick of "waiting" or really "hoping" something changes there.

While I think that in the next 10 years there is likely to be a chance for Logan - mainly through a break up of the current Buckeye Division through 1) Liberty Union leaving or 2) the SCOL poaching a few schools; a lot of that is WAY out of the control of the people in Hocking County.

It's also why moving to the Licking County League - if there is an offer - makes sense. It gives the school better short term stability, albeit not GREAT stability. And if 6 years from now the MSL-Buckeye looks different, maybe Logan is a better looking option.


Perhaps the biggest irony is when you talk about football and the competitiveness factor. The reality is that Logan's football program COULD overpower some MSL schools, and the track and field program is even stronger. But beyond those two sports? Honestly a league title for Logan is going to be few and far between. The MSL schools fit the profile of schools like Marietta and Warren (and Athens)- schools that ROUTINELY won the SEOAL All-Sports Trophy.

Logan would occasionally have success in girls basketball or wrestling. But boys basketball is a long way from consistently competing with programs like Logan Elm and Bloom Carroll on a year to year basis. Quite frankly, most years Logan wouldn't crack the top 5 in boys basketball.

So football remains the 800lb gorilla, and I understand why. It pays the bills and gets the attention. But Logan football, despite some good success under Coach Burke, is a long way from the glory run of 1998-2009.

[Paladin]

Heres some inside info......... most area coaches up here look for the "competitive balance" rules to change the landscape for many leagues and that would include many in the Central Ohio , where Logan's future is. Many future reALIGNMENTS OR NEW LEAGUE FORMATIONS WILL EVOLVE AROUND THE CHANGES THAT WILL BRING. While many will embrace the competition state wide, I don't see much change in SEO, but the Columbus area is sensitive and changes will be on the way. Locos has called attention to the all sports aspect of a league and many schools will embrace that concept as well. Logan just needs to sit tight as they are a special situation that will be sought out -- good competition, good facilities, not far away and on good roads. The next few years will bring wholesale changes as competitive balance kicks in. Unless the OHSAA screws that up ( and thats possible given how inept they are). LOL

[formerfcfan]

The next few years will bring wholesale changes as competitive balance kicks in. Unless the OHSAA screws that up again

Fixed that for you.

[Raider6309]

I saw on yappi competive balance got pushed back again

[93Bulldog]

Heres some inside info......... most area coaches up here look for the "competitive balance" rules to change the landscape for many leagues and that would include many in the Central Ohio , where Logan's future is

Since Logan is moving to the central district, perhaps we'll see Paladin move to a central district sports forum?

Maybe its just wishful thinking I guess.

[noreply66]

Why move? Its fun picking on inbred rednecks.

I am not like eaglepapaw. I am actually flattered that you want to be just like me.

As someone once said, "Imitation is the greatest form of flattery."

Paladin joined Oct. 24,2015 followed by

Poladin Oct.26,2015
Pa1adin Oct 27, 2015
Padolin Oct 27,2015
Palladin Dec. 4,2015


On the old forum Paladin joined Nov. 2004 followed by

Padadin-II Sept. 2010
Padadin-III Nov. 2011

[Raider6309]

Paladin has groupies

[noreply66]

for sure...the guy must be a legend to them

[cbolt]

Michael Jordan don't have anything on Paldi,people can imitate him but not the same