Point Pleasant (WV) to the TVC or OVC? SEOAL?
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Yes I do
But the same people giggle about the death of the Seoal
Remember these posters don't speak for the schools they root for
Any buffoon ban create an account and post things
But people will always wonder why a Jackson was denied for another school
I think they would just be too much for most of the tvc schools in football and I can't help but think behind closed doors the tvc powers that be said we don't want to play them in football
But the same people giggle about the death of the Seoal
Remember these posters don't speak for the schools they root for
Any buffoon ban create an account and post things
But people will always wonder why a Jackson was denied for another school
I think they would just be too much for most of the tvc schools in football and I can't help but think behind closed doors the tvc powers that be said we don't want to play them in football
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Haha , we'll let you in (Jackson) but not football.What does that tell ya about TVC!!!
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By the way Bird Dog I didn't say anything about them being weak,you did.Do I need to remind you a TVC school made it to championship game last year!!! What I am saying is that SOME of TVC schools are not fair on there decisions of who to let in or not.There voting record speaks for itself!!
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According to OHSAA numbers, Jackson has 290 boys and RV has around 160. I think there is some regret in letting Athens join, so strictly based on numbers, why would they want to make the same mistake twice?Poo Bear wrote:Yes I do
But the same people giggle about the death of the Seoal
Remember these posters don't speak for the schools they root for
Any buffoon ban create an account and post things
But people will always wonder why a Jackson was denied for another school
I think they would just be too much for most of the tvc schools in football and I can't help but think behind closed doors the tvc powers that be said we don't want to play them in football
Even accepting your point - the TVC wanted no part of Jackson on the football field - why is that a bad thing? A conference should strive for competitiveness; it is one thing when an existing team builds a program that rises above others, but why bring in a(nother) program that instantly buries your competitive balance?
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enigmaax wrote:According to OHSAA numbers, Jackson has 290 boys and RV has around 160. I think there is some regret in letting Athens join, so strictly based on numbers, why would they want to make the same mistake twice?Poo Bear wrote:Yes I do
But the same people giggle about the death of the Seoal
Remember these posters don't speak for the schools they root for
Any buffoon ban create an account and post things
But people will always wonder why a Jackson was denied for another school
I think they would just be too much for most of the tvc schools in football and I can't help but think behind closed doors the tvc powers that be said we don't want to play them in football
Even accepting your point - the TVC wanted no part of Jackson on the football field - why is that a bad thing? A conference should strive for competitiveness; it is one thing when an existing team builds a program that rises above others, but why bring in a(nother) program that instantly buries your competitive balance?
It's not a bad thing . But if that's the case then just say it.
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Bingo !!!!! Poo Bear I agree , they would never ever say that.
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Re: Point Pleasant (WV) to the TVC or OVC? SEOAL?
That comes down to size.Poo Bear wrote:Orange and Brown wrote:If we are so weak, then why are schools almost begging to get in?Roadhog wrote:Good article 1047 , but as usual TVC don't want nothing to do with schools that have a good football program.SOME of the schools will stay in as a associate to play other sports.Point has a good football program. (ps point,the TVC schools will play you in any sport but football).Like I said earlier, I SMELL CHICKEN!!!
The TVC doesn't want another west Virginia team. It is a headache for the hocking teams and the TVC Ohio teams aren't going to want to deal with it.
Your weak league argument is juvenile and laughable at this point.
Both sides of this arguement have gotten childish at some point
If you wanna discuss this in an adult Way let me ask you this ...
Why did the tvc say no way to Jackson when they applied 6 years ago but yes to river valley when thy applied ?
What did river valley bring to the table that made them so much more attractive than bringing in a Jackson
River Valley fits better size wise.
Adding Jackson almost guarantees the need for a 3rd division. The member schools aren't really interested in adding another division.
Now I know some folks will say "but you added Athens" when we bring up size, and that's understandable. Athens has been in the league for several years so folks have to give up on that at some point. Besides, Athens made for a good fit for several reasons.
At the end of the day the Tri Valley Conference shouldn't have to add schools just because this league is folding or that team just wants in.
Sure, I'm sure some schools look at things from a competitive standpoint. That's part of it, but with the exception of Athens and Vinton County the TVC is a bunch of small schools.
Championship's are won in the off-season
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I agree on the size part 100%Orange and Brown wrote:That comes down to size.Poo Bear wrote:Orange and Brown wrote:
If we are so weak, then why are schools almost begging to get in?
The TVC doesn't want another west Virginia team. It is a headache for the hocking teams and the TVC Ohio teams aren't going to want to deal with it.
Your weak league argument is juvenile and laughable at this point.
Both sides of this arguement have gotten childish at some point
If you wanna discuss this in an adult Way let me ask you this ...
Why did the tvc say no way to Jackson when they applied 6 years ago but yes to river valley when thy applied ?
What did river valley bring to the table that made them so much more attractive than bringing in a Jackson
River Valley fits better size wise.
Adding Jackson almost guarantees the need for a 3rd division. The member schools aren't really interested in adding another division.
Now I know some folks will say "but you added Athens" when we bring up size, and that's understandable. Athens has been in the league for several years so folks have to give up on that at some point. Besides, Athens made for a good fit for several reasons.
At the end of the day the Tri Valley Conference shouldn't have to add schools just because this league is folding or that team just wants in.
Sure, I'm sure some schools look at things from a competitive standpoint. That's part of it, but with the exception of Athens and Vinton County the TVC is a bunch of small schools.
The TVC is a d4/d5 league
The Seoal is the d2/d3 league for local teams
The problem is only a few schools haven't shrunk
Jackson
Logan
Athens
Warren
With the exception of VC who is strung out across a whole county it may as well be a d5
And Athens who is kinda outa place
if Jackson would've been added in 2008 a 3rd division wouldn't been needed
i think it boiled down to size and Jackson football
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Exactly!
The TVC is a d4/d5 league. The SEOAL is d2/d3 league. We have all watched as most of the communities in the southeastern region of Ohio have shrunk. Almost every school in the immediate area is now classified at d4 and under. This has left only a handful of schools that are still qualified to play in the big school league. If your not counting the West Virginia schools, Logan, Marietta, Jackson, Warren, and Athens are the area big schools. There should be a viable league for these big schools in southeastern Ohio to compete in. Those kids deserve it just as much as the kids who play at the smaller area schools. Now I'm sure some Athens fan or one of their many apologists on this site will say that Athens has to do what's best for Athens. That may be true, but at the same time Athens competing in the TVC has an affect on the other area big schools around them. There are only 5 of them and they should be competing in the same league. That makes sense whether you are a TVC fan or an SEOAL fan.
My opinion...
The TVC is a d4/d5 league. The SEOAL is d2/d3 league. We have all watched as most of the communities in the southeastern region of Ohio have shrunk. Almost every school in the immediate area is now classified at d4 and under. This has left only a handful of schools that are still qualified to play in the big school league. If your not counting the West Virginia schools, Logan, Marietta, Jackson, Warren, and Athens are the area big schools. There should be a viable league for these big schools in southeastern Ohio to compete in. Those kids deserve it just as much as the kids who play at the smaller area schools. Now I'm sure some Athens fan or one of their many apologists on this site will say that Athens has to do what's best for Athens. That may be true, but at the same time Athens competing in the TVC has an affect on the other area big schools around them. There are only 5 of them and they should be competing in the same league. That makes sense whether you are a TVC fan or an SEOAL fan.
My opinion...
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I don't think you can consider Warren a big school anymore. Their enrollment has dropped big time over the last few years.
Championship's are won in the off-season
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Instead of looking at the TVC, the remaining seoal schools should have been actively looking for schools to join the league starting a few years ago.
They should be knocking on Pt Pleasants door along with Pburg and South.
If they can get 2 of those teams to join then they can slowly grow the league again.
They should be knocking on Pt Pleasants door along with Pburg and South.
If they can get 2 of those teams to join then they can slowly grow the league again.
Championship's are won in the off-season
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WarrenOrange and Brown wrote:I don't think you can consider Warren a big school anymore. Their enrollment has dropped big time over the last few years.
Logan
Jackson
Athens
Marietta
That is the logical conference for our area of similar size schools
I'm sure Bulldog fans get tired of their names being brought up but they are the missing piece of the puzzle
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Chances are, the dogs are staying right where they are, so the seoal needs to find someone else. I hope that the administrations from Jackson, Logan, and Warren are making phone calls and sending letters to the Wva schools as well as Marietta. They aren't going to be able to add just 1 team because no one wants to be in a 4 team league, but if they can convince 2 teams then they have something.Poo Bear wrote:WarrenOrange and Brown wrote:I don't think you can consider Warren a big school anymore. Their enrollment has dropped big time over the last few years.
Logan
Jackson
Athens
Marietta
That is the logical conference for our area of similar size schools
I'm sure Bulldog fans get tired of their names being brought up but they are the missing piece of the puzzle
Athens doesn't want to leave the TVC so that horse is dead.
Championship's are won in the off-season
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Point Pleasant would be a great 6th member of that conference. It would basically be the old SEOAL before expansion with Point replacing Gallia.Poo Bear wrote:WarrenOrange and Brown wrote:I don't think you can consider Warren a big school anymore. Their enrollment has dropped big time over the last few years.
Logan
Jackson
Athens
Marietta
That is the logical conference for our area of similar size schools
I'm sure Bulldog fans get tired of their names being brought up but they are the missing piece of the puzzle
Re: Point Pleasant (WV) to the TVC or OVC? SEOAL?
The Athens administration has set their school up for postseason failure in my opinion, and yes I know they had a great run last year. The savior Joe Burrow is gone now, and so are his giant receivers. The talent during those years was ridiculous. They were basically too talented to fail. It wasn't homegrown though, and Athens shouldn't expect it again or at least until OU has another turnover in the coaching staff. When playoff time comes Athens doesn't get to play River Valley and Wellston. They are going to see schools like Jackson, Warren, Marietta, Chillicothe, etc. The kind of schools they should be sharing a league with. There isn't a special playoff system for division 3 schools that prefer playing division 5 schools. That's not how it works.
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Athens
football state runner up
Soccer regional finalist
Volleyball regional finalists
Boys basketball regional semi finals
Girls basketball two straight regional semi finals
Wrestling lost at state against national power st Paris graham
Boys/Girls Cross country state birth
Track state qualifiers.
I'm not gonna name everything
Yeah we set our kids up to fail lol
football state runner up
Soccer regional finalist
Volleyball regional finalists
Boys basketball regional semi finals
Girls basketball two straight regional semi finals
Wrestling lost at state against national power st Paris graham
Boys/Girls Cross country state birth
Track state qualifiers.
I'm not gonna name everything
Yeah we set our kids up to fail lol
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Athens is in a very cushy positionRaider6309 wrote:Athens
football state runner up
Soccer regional finalist
Volleyball regional finalists
Boys basketball regional semi finals
Girls basketball two straight regional semi finals
Wrestling lost at state against national power st Paris graham
Boys/Girls Cross country state birth
Track state qualifiers.
I'm not gonna name everything
Yeah we set our kids up to fail lol
They will win way more tvc banners than any other school, as the should they are the biggest school in the tvc by far, minus VC and VC isn't a city school
Good for Athens and their athletes
As far as prepping for postseason play
Now that Athens is post burrow and company I guess we'll see what happens
But Athens would be crazy to go anywhere else
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I think Nelsonville (football) suffered the most from Athens coming into the league
NY was once the king of the tvc
NY was once the king of the tvc
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Well yeah, our schedule can't compete with Desales or Akron SVSM in all sports but Athens isn't a big city catholic school. But our all sports schedule is on a different level than Jackson. SEO doesn't prepare you for deep post season play