2014-REGION 17

[siderman57]

I know Hartly is good but they can be beat and have been beaten and will be beaten again. You guys on here put them why to high up. They put their pants on the same as our boys and they only play 11 at one time. They don't do good against good smash mouth teams that can also throw the ball. You put the hard licks on them like Coldwater does and you will get their results. You have to come to play hard for four quarters. I seen to many good teams give in on Hartly and they could have won. You have to believe it's your game when you take the field and put the fear of God in them on the very first play and if they are still standing then you repeat the first play over again and so on. Hartly dosen't like geting hit hard but they will try to stand up.

Well said.... I am just glad all the nay sayers are not actually playing this game of Football... There is no way anyone will be Hartly in this Region.... LOL....Some say I just cant see it!!!!! Again im am glad that they are not playng... One game at a time , you must believe, you must have a vision and anything can happen........

[siderman57]

I'm still stuck on this Hartley thing. I watch the game against Marion Franklin and I have to say, it is very possible to beat this team. Stack the box and get into a slugfest. Last team with the ball wins IMO. It's very possible.

Yes, two teams beat Hartley; week one and week two. The first team they lost to was a defending state champ from Michigan, who returned 18 starters from their championship team. The second team that Hartley lost to was Coldwater. So unless Ironton, Wheelersburg, or anybody else miraculously became a championship caliber opponent, and one of the best teams in the state, nobody is beating Hartley in this region. I don't remember the last time a Southeastern Ohio team beat Hartley when it counted.

You do realize that the starting quarterback was injured and didn't even dress for the Marion Franklin game. Hartley converted a linebacker who has never played a down at quarterback in 3 days(Thursday night game). The starting quarterback, who didn't play week three against MF has rushed for close to 1,000 yards in just 8 games. So, as you can imagine, a crucial part of the Hartley offense was missing against MF.

I would love to see one of the Southeastern Ohio teams try to match up with MF. They are huge, fast, and talented. Remember, this is the same MF team that shredded Athens (best team in SE Ohio) last year in the playoffs. MF is better this year, than last.

This Hartley team looks better right now than last years team. And the scary thing is that they still have not reached their potential. They are still learning and getting better against some of the best competition the state has to offer. Not many teams start 0-2 and finish 8-2 hosting, with the number one seed, while playing the 12th toughest schedule in the state of Ohio. That takes toughness and great character.

Any team can be beaten on any day, but you have to be one of the best teams in the state to beat Hartley. Nobody in this region actually has the ability to beat this team. Maybe in other regions there could be a couple threats, but not in region 17. Teams can stack the box all night, it's not going to change the outcome.

LOL

[siderman57]

Would much rather have West traveling to Hartley than to see Eastmoor in week 11.

Must say I agree with what you're saying about Hartley. They are the overwhelming favorite to win the region. But if you feel so confident that no one can touch them. Why care who they draw in the playoffs?

[seasick80]

Would much rather have West traveling to Hartley than to see Eastmoor in week 11.

Must say I agree with what you're saying about Hartley. They are the overwhelming favorite to win the region. But if you feel so confident that no one can touch them. Why care who they draw in the playoffs?

they run the ball. They run it to perfection. Coldwater is not a Catholic team. They are the size of SE Ohio teams but they play their butts off and beat them 2 years in a row! They take good defensive posture, they dig in with feet and stop the oline advance. Their LBs get to the gaps like they live in it. Their scout teams must be amazing. Their 1st string QB got hurt early in the game this year and they still beat BH by passing the ball. A balanced offense and a stout D can beat them. They are way smaller on Oline than last year and that could be a plus for us going into the playoffs. Don't listen to the hype and don't over coach the kids. Gap assignment, make ur reads, it could happen!!

[maniac66]

Simple fact is they are good/
But they can be beat.
they been beat twice Already by good teams yes but they can be beat.
Desales isn't the team of the past simply put they are a good team and they play hard but how many Championships have they won.
I team with focus and discipline can beat Hartley but it will take a team playing that way

[JasonClaytor]

Would much rather have West traveling to Hartley than to see Eastmoor in week 11.

Must say I agree with what you're saying about Hartley. They are the overwhelming favorite to win the region. But if you feel so confident that no one can touch them. Why care who they draw in the playoffs?

Because it would likely be a much easier opponent, allowing starters to get some more rest, and get some younger kids playoff experience.

[doubleplay643]

run n shoot 08, I have a question for you on the St. Charles and DeSales games.

As I recall you beat St Charles by 3 or 4...DeSales wallops them by 40 or something...and you come in a beat DeSales pretty convincingly last week. What happened in that St Charles game that kept it close?

I look at Ironton and St Charles and their score, and look at Hartley and St Charles and think to myself hey this could be a pretty close game. But when I look at the DeSales results it kind of confuses me.

DeSales I believe is a run oriented team and clearly Ironton is as well. Did you guys just match up with the DeSales run game well?

Just looking for some perspective into those two games.

[Fan of The Blue and Gold]

I agree Hartley can be beat. Unfortunately the only team in this Region beating Hartley ... is Hartley. All this "Stack the Box", "Assignment Football", "Gap Responsibilities", etc. only works if the talent is equal or close to being equal.

Coldwater won 1-on-1 battles at the point if attack. In turn they won the game. The tape shows that. The only way any team in Region 17 wins 1-on-1 battles at the point of attack against Hartley is if Hartley doesn't play hard. IMO

[Tigercannon71]

ports west beats burg and ironton beats raceland it will be very very close to a ports west @ ironton in week 11

and burg would still get a home game vs coshocton

If Ironton wins they leapfrog Burg and go to the #2 seed and West is traveling to Hartley as the 8th seed.

[Westfan]

ports west beats burg and ironton beats raceland it will be very very close to a ports west @ ironton in week 11

and burg would still get a home game vs coshocton

If Ironton wins they leapfrog Burg and go to the #2 seed and West is traveling to Hartley as the 8th seed.

If West were to beat Wheelersburg we would probably jump to #7 or maybe #6. So an Ironton/West matchup is possible.

[Trojan_Pride]

ports west beats burg and ironton beats raceland it will be very very close to a ports west @ ironton in week 11

and burg would still get a home game vs coshocton

If Ironton wins they leapfrog Burg and go to the #2 seed and West is traveling to Hartley as the 8th seed.

you must be using chinese voodoo math cause ironton can only get to 3 at best (and i am not even sure of 3) st clairsville L2 would need to lose out

BURG WIN = 39.5 L1 and 196.5 L2 (not counting ANY of their defeated opp) = 23.7985+(7 games)

TIGER WIN = 35 L1 and 158.5 L2 (not counting ANY of their defeated opp) = 21.9003+(6 games)

[Tigercannon71]

My math is based upon West beating Burg. After recalculating West would actually move up to 6th to probably face St. Clairsville. Burg drops to 4th and Tigers go to 2nd. Burg would finish with a 22.8939 avg while Ironton finishes with a 24.2865 avg.

[Trojan_Pride]

My math is based upon West beating Burg. After recalculating West would actually move up to 6th to probably face St. Clairsville. Burg drops to 4th and Tigers go to 2nd. Burg would finish with a 22.8939 avg while Ironton finishes with a 24.2865 avg.

i still have ironton and st clairsville neck and neck with all those L2 to decide!!

if burg loses

i have ironton L2 (5 games cause ashland has no game) with 4 tossup games and 1 that should win

i have st clairsville (3 AUTO WINS, 1 that should win and 2 that should lose)

[local superstar]

One more week of "if's"!

[Westfan]

Would love to see West/Ironton because that would mean we beat the burg. :122245

[JasonClaytor]

run n shoot 08, I have a question for you on the St. Charles and DeSales games.

As I recall you beat St Charles by 3 or 4...DeSales wallops them by 40 or something...and you come in a beat DeSales pretty convincingly last week. What happened in that St Charles game that kept it close?

I look at Ironton and St Charles and their score, and look at Hartley and St Charles and think to myself hey this could be a pretty close game. But when I look at the DeSales results it kind of confuses me.

DeSales I believe is a run oriented team and clearly Ironton is as well. Did you guys just match up with the DeSales run game well?

Just looking for some perspective into those two games.

Hartley vs. St. Charles game was close when looking at the box score. Hartley shut St. Charles offense down for a majority of the game, but mistakes cost Hartley points. St. Charles returned the opening kickoff back to the Hartley 20, and eventually scored on that series. So Hartley was down fast due to a coverage mistake. Another St. Charles touchdown came from a Hartley fumble on the Hartley 20 or so yard line. And St. Charles last touchdown was about 50 -60 yards and they scored with less than a minute left bringing the lead to three.

Hartley was in control of the game the whole second half, and the game was never really in doubt, but the offense for Hartley was still struggling finishing drives (has been greatly improved the past 4-5 weeks). Hartley threw a short pass into the endzone that was intercepted, lost a fumble while driving down inside the St. Charles 25, and a missed field goal.

Overall it was not a pretty game, but it was a fun game to watch, as are most CCL match ups. It has been awesome to see how much this team has improved each week.

[Trojan_Pride]

i say we go ahead and give hartley the state championship ^^^^^^^^^^ they cant be beat!!!

is it possible run n shoot 08 that you once lived in wheelersburg ???????LOL

[xxChampionxx 5]

DeSales wallops them by 40 or something...and you come in a beat DeSales pretty convincingly last week. What happened in that St Charles game that kept it close?

run and shoot 08 answered the question that you asked, but there's an unasked question that factors into the head-to-head comparison as well. It isn't just why did Hartley beat St. Charles by so few, it's also how or why did DeSales wallop them so hard. One must keep in mind that we're talking about 17-18 year old boys and a long running rivalry that was never much of one. St. Charles won the game the previous year and has been crowing about it since. At this level emotions and psychology have too big of an influence on the outcomes of games. DeSales wanted to shut up the Cardinals and restore pride to the program after last year's defeat. Hartley would do well to take a lesson from this and refrain from beating their chests too loudly or too publicly.

[doubleplay643]

DeSales wallops them by 40 or something...and you come in a beat DeSales pretty convincingly last week. What happened in that St Charles game that kept it close?

run and shoot 08 answered the question that you asked, but there's an unasked question that factors into the head-to-head comparison as well. It isn't just why did Hartley beat St. Charles by so few, it's also how or why did DeSales wallop them so hard. One must keep in mind that we're talking about 17-18 year old boys and a long running rivalry that was never much of one. St. Charles won the game the previous year and has been crowing about it since. At this level emotions and psychology have too big of an influence on the outcomes of games. DeSales wanted to shut up the Cardinals and restore pride to the program after last year's defeat. Hartley would do well to take a lesson from this and refrain from beating their chests too loudly or too publicly.

Wisdom and truth in that response.

[sballchck]

Are there any obscure games of non playoff teams that could affect who gets the last two spots or so?