SEOAL 2010

[loganlocos]

Logan is 69-6 in the last 12 SEOAL football seasons, winning 8 OUTRIGHT championships and 2 co-championships. All 8 seasons the Chieftains were outright champions they finished with perfect slates within the SEOAL.

Logan has currently won a league record-tying 34 straight league games.

[loganlocos]

GAHS -

LHS won 27 consecutive games from 1998-2002.

[LetsGoPSU]

61-2, they need to take that success and carry it over to the post season

[noreply66]

61-2, they need to take that success and carry it over to the post season

this could show that Logan is in a weak league??????????????

[cavalierfan1995]

logan imo is like the yankees of hs football that would be like taking the yankees and putting them in the national league.

and why would the cavs leave the seoal?we have been here since 03?i know logan has a strong team but why leave?we have good teams in this league.

i would say no deal.

[ironmen1987]

Logan has had an awesome run in football much like Jackson's run in the 90's. Judging by the jr high boys and girls i have watched at track meets and basketball games, they have some nice athletes coming up to fill the ranks over the next 5 years also. Don't get cocky or look to jump ship but go out there and win championships and represent the SEOAL to the best of your ability.

[noreply66]

Was the league weak in 2002 when two teams shared the championship and neither was Logan?

Was the league weak in 2003 when GAHS ran the league table and beat Logan by 18 points on the Hilltop?

Was the league weak in 2004 when Logan shared the title with GAHS; three in a row for the Blue Devils?

Was the league weak in 2006 when half the SEOAL made the playoffs (Ironton, GAHS, Jackson, Chillicothe, Logan)?

Perhaps when your school has the best team in a storied school history, their domination can make it appear the league is weak. Logan will be back with the pack or someone will have some outstanding classes to challenge them. That has been the long term history of the SEOAL and not just a twelve year sampling.

[noreply66]

Whichone are you? Larry, Moe or Curly?

Or more to the point, which of my points are not true and factual that they turn you into laughing boy?

now that goes from to

[Blue_Steel]

Ok, I stopped posting a long while back but still enjoy reading from time to time. That being said, I want to state some FACTS, thats right FACTS based upon what Palidin is saying. I do NOT repeat do NOT mean to offend Logan or any other team in the league in any way.

Fact 1 Logan is a big school and has improved their schedule in recent years, making them a stronger program, but in the same breathe says they are they are paper champions only because of the football played in the weak SEO.

Fact2. Until last 2 years Logan hasn't faired well against those bigger teams, and they still won the league. all the while not going anywhere in the playoffs either( even though I cheered my butt off for them last year) So taking a few lumps really gained them nothing but lumps and loses and still win trophy's by beating up teams they should beat up.

Fact 3 half the teams in the league play up, thus 1/2 the teams play down. if my math is correct. So in Ironton and Portsmouth's case the league forces them to schedule up. Is paladin stating thats a good thing? or is he stating that Jackson should play down to d4 and d5 as a way to get better? Logan plays d1 even if they aren't great d1 teams that makes them better?


Fact 4 I'm thoroughly confused by said facts. Logan plays d1 schools and gets better but Jackson should play lower divisions ( wheelersburg and west) to get better.If Jackson plays within their level, they are a cow-patty team from SEO.

fact 5. It seems that Paladin thinks all SEO teams have gold pots to pull all this travelling money from and their kids get out of school at noon to make all these long distance trips to schedule up and travel to other parts of the state.. only way to get better according to him.

Fact 6 I cant wait to see the replies I get from this. The back pedaling will be priceless.

so what is it paladin do we break the banks and run our program into the ground financially so we can travel in hopes to get better? do we all schedule up by playing a division ahead of our own or do we schedule up by playing decent teams that are at our level or below. it seems u have made the same argument. I like Ron Janey, But I don't believe he is the only AD in SEO that knows what he is doing during scheduling times.


Again nothing against Logan, a fine program, with fine coaches. But I think that GAHS and Ironton over lets say last 10-12 years have more playoff wins than Logan despite all their titles. So perhaps teams like those 2 are doing the right things (more so than lets say Logan)as they are winning some games when it counts against same sized schools.

[Paladin]

No backpeddling here. You play up ( or play better competition, even if they are smaller than you). Logan made the decisioin to play up ( and better competition) becuase there was no one in the area to play down that gave the better cometition they sought. The SEOAL is caught in an embarrassing situation. Many programs have made the decision to schedule easy for wins, not competition. That might be a larger program ( rarely) but weaker ( sometimes) or a smaller or weaker program ( often).

While Logan hasn't has great success, it has had success. And I note that they must play teams that are better than most of SEO in D-II, usually Columbus area schools, but last year it was a powerhouse from Stark Co. ( Louisville) that Logan only lost 7-0 to after ripping Dublin Jerome. That compares to other SEO schools playing in their division and often getting BLOWN OUT, first game ! This year they whipped badly a Canal team only to lose a close game to Columbus Brookhaven when they lost their QB and best player early in the 2nd half.Had they not lost him, they might have got much further. They could , of course, not try to play tougher competition and get blown out in the 1st playoff game after qualifying with a weak schedule.

I have pretty much given up on SEO , a backward area of the state who ducks competition ,whereas the rest of the state embraces it and DOES get better. The competitive level is a sick joke in SEO. So, Logan can do only what it can under the current situation and play up ( or better competition) as they can find it. Many here believe Logan will fall back to the pack. Possible. But not probable. That might be the case if Logan ducked competition and ran into a talent lag for year or two, but the competitve level now is such that while Logan may not be as dominate, they will still be competitvely more than most in SEO can handle becuase most have ducked real competition and aren't prepared for the challenge, even of an average Logan team. The competition upgrade is present thru the grades at Logan, so the kids learn early about stiffer competition. BTW, that will be my outlook for this season's Logan team. Not many stars. Not much experience. But group of kids challenged to play at a higher level of competition over the years. It may look blue collar on the field, but the Chiefs will be too much for most, while the games will be closer scores.

And , at some point , Logan will have a break thru and go farther in playoffs by being prepared . That won't happen playing an easier schedule, thank you.

[Orange and Brown]

Paladin, Go find a cliff and jump off of it please!

[know all]

Paladin, Go find a cliff and jump off of it please!

i think you two should fight.

[Blue_Steel]

Also your schedule is trying to get you ready for the playoffs. but at the same time there is a fine line because with your schedule you actually have to get enough wins to get enough points to make the playoffs. just because you schedule 10 big teams to play doesn't mean you will make the playoffs, nor does it mean that you will get better as you put it. Getting my butt handed to me week after week may make me tougher, make make me immune to losing, make make it accepted to be a loser ie. see Cincinatti Bengals football, there are many teams that are just whipping posts for some teams everywhere in the state. And yes it makes the kids feel good when they get a win.

The Harbin system inst perfect but it benefits teams that win vs teams that win, no matter of level or division. Your 2nd and 3rd tier points is what makes or breaks the playoffs. But getting there is the key. I would rather win 8-10 games a year and make playoffs winning every other year in the playoffs than scheduling teams that are so much tougher than us that we might get lucky and win once every 10 years and only win 6 or 7 and not make playoffs at all.


It is a fine line, the playoffs, you can say what you want but you need to schedule in such a way that your opponents win most of their games vs everyone but you.


lets say we play Meigs who goes 9-1, 1 lose is to us. they beat Athens who went 8-2 losing to Meigs and NY well we get a ton of points towards playoffs. much more points than let say us playing a d1 school like Dublin who goes 1-9 this year but we beat a d1 school. yeah us as we are sitting at home week 11. Sure you want to get in playoffs and advance. Not many teams do however.


So whine all you want about scheduling up etc. it means absolutely nothing. Scheduling smart is the key!

[MTSWNGRVSG]

Why isn't Logan in the OCC then?

[Paladin]

Thanks to all, for you help make my case.

First, the OCC ? I suspect Logan would JUMP at an invitation for the OCC but that hasn't happened & don't expect it will. After all, Logan ends up playing those teams in the playoffs, FB or basketball. And that would greatly improve the competitve level for Logan over the SEOAL and make the Chiefs an even bigger threat to go farther in playoffs. At this point , the OCC doesn't want Logan, so the status quo remains.

Second, we have an admission of the reality of the situation -- more competitve games aren't scheduled because you might LOSE some !! Gee, really ? Then how do you get better ?? Playing lesser teams ? That pretty much sums up most of SEO and is the direct reason the area lags the rest of the state. After all, no one is forced to play OUT of your division in the playoff. You'll still be playing teams from YOUR division but they'll be a heck of alot better because they played BETTER competition.

Now, as to the 3rd point, look at a map. No one has to go very far to find competition, even in SEO. While Jackson plays teams like Wellston or Vinton Co. who rarely, if ever beat them, they avoid area teams Portsmouth West & Wheelersburg. Even Waverly, who got run out of the SEOAL because they rarely won games ,could be replaced with Ironton. Presto !! Ditto the same teams for Gallia. Add in out of state teams like Ashland or Huntington. Or avoid weak sister Athens, faking it in the TVC and go for the tougher team, N-Y. It isn't always about scheduling bigger teams, but could be. Its about scheduling tougher competition to make your program better. And yes, that risks getting beat until your kids play up. Thats how you get better.

But SEO, not just the SEOAL, has made avoiding competition a habit for decades , except for a handful of programs. Thats why the area isn't going anywhere and why the area will never be very competitve with the rest of the state. Those are the simple facts. And the truth.

[Blue_Steel]

Based on your theory, can you explain why Logan isn't winning in anything else besides football?

Did your coaches and AD drop the ball on every other sport? I am sure they are running with your thoery and schedule up in everything. otherwise they are only getting it right by your standards about 1 sport(football) divided by
volleyball,soccer, cross country,golf,basketball boys, basketball girls,track, softball, baseball, tennis I am sure i've missed something so if my math is correct and I'm averaging they do it right just 9% of the time? or the other 91% of your athletics isn't advancing?
Or does it only work in football?

Again guys I am NOT bashing logan in any way...

just ridiculous comments of a poster or 2

[Mighty Mighty Devils]

Based on your theory, can you explain why Logan isn't winning in anything else besides football?

Did your coaches and AD drop the ball on every other sport? I am sure they are running with your thoery and schedule up in everything. otherwise they are only getting it right by your standards about 1 sport(football) divided by
volleyball,soccer, cross country,golf,basketball boys, basketball girls,track, softball, baseball, tennis I am sure i've missed something so if my math is correct and I'm averaging they do it right just 9% of the time? or the other 91% of your athletics isn't advancing?
Or does it only work in football?

Again guys I am NOT bashing logan in any way...

just ridiculous comments of a poster or 2

Wrestling

[Paladin]

This is the FOOTBALL forum and I made three points no one touched. I rest my case.

[Blue_Steel]

First, the OCC ? I suspect Logan would JUMP at an invitation for the OCC but that hasn't happened & don't expect it will.. At this point , the OCC doesn't want Logan, so the status quo remains.

Second, we have an admission of the reality of the situation -- more competitve games aren't scheduled because you might LOSE some !! Gee, really ? Then how do you get better ?? Playing lesser teams ? That pretty much sums up most of SEO and is the direct reason the area lags the rest of the state. After all, no one is forced to play OUT of your division in the playoff. You'll still be playing teams from YOUR division but they'll be a heck of alot better because they played BETTER competition.

Now, as to the 3rd point, look at a map. No one has to go very far to find competition, even in SEO. While Jackson plays teams like Wellston or Vinton Co. who rarely, if ever beat them, they avoid area teams Portsmouth West & Wheelersburg. Even Waverly, who got run out of the SEOAL because they rarely won games ,could be replaced with Ironton. Presto !! Ditto the same teams for Gallia. Add in out of state teams like Ashland or Huntington. Or avoid weak sister Athens, faking it in the TVC and go for the tougher team, N-Y. It isn't always about scheduling bigger teams, but could be. Its about scheduling tougher competition to make your program better. And yes, that risks getting beat until your kids play up. Thats how you get better.

But SEO, not just the SEOAL, has made avoiding competition a habit for decades , except for a handful of programs. Thats why the area isn't going anywhere and why the area will never be very competitve with the rest of the state. Those are the simple facts. And the truth.

ok first part,and your 3rd part . occ doesnt want logan- hmmm well guess what wheelersburg doesn't want to play GAHS you make points about Jackson and gallia finding competition close but the teams you mention will NOT play us. everytime we get a contract with them they wont renew. period. I am sure Wheelersburg people will verify this as well. so as usual u make points with no validity.

2nd part you want teams that come in and bring a crowd. both for the profit and for your kids to have the luxury of playing in front of big crowds.

and your last comment, yes this may be a football forum but as a school administrator its only 9% of the job. and if your theories do not apply across the board then , well its a 91+% failure rate.

and I really don't want my kids being successful less than 9% of the time.

[Orange and Brown]

This is the FOOTBALL forum and I made three points no one touched. I rest my case.

WHAT CASE?

Lotta leaks in the boat in my opinion!