Week 4: Minford @ Meigs

WitnessProtection · Post by **WitnessProtection** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:40 am

I heard this was win No. 100 for Meigs head coach Mike Chancey. Congrats to him. He's been there, what, 20 years or so?

Blackjack · Post by **Blackjack** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:25 am

Ironfalcon - sorry to say but Minford will not make the playoffs this year. They will lose at least three more games. 5-5.

FarAwayFalcon · Post by **FarAwayFalcon** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:32 am

Blackjack wrote:Ironfalcon - sorry to say but Minford will not make the playoffs this year. They will lose at least three more games. 5-5.

I'm afraid you're right about the playoffs Blackjack, even if they win out at 8-2 it's a long shot. If they would be able to run the SOC table they would have a chance. I guess we'll see if the team can circle the wagons and pull it together. There are still some winnable games if they want them. The team will have to decide if they want to fight and win some games, or if they're content to just give up the ghost.

Bleeding Red · Post by **Bleeding Red** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:53 am

It seems to be just a lack of heart and focus on some of the older kid's part. When you are 4 games in to the season and the QB is turning the wrong way for the handoff on numerous occasions, there is an issue. Receivers not running hard on their routes and not getting to the ball in the air, etc. Minford has a lot of younger kids that went in the game and played really well, and played HARD. Our coaching staff is more than capable of righting the ship. Just have to get kids in the game that want to play hard and hit.....not run from it.

I would love to see the coaching staff do something different at QB, CB and D line. Maybe put #50 back to DE and a couple quick kids on the DL that can get pressure in the backfield like they did with the Carter kid did last night at noseguard, get someone in there at corner that will come up and hit someone and make a tackle. Too much talent on this team to watch the same kids come out and not play aggressive.

Birdbrain · Post by **Birdbrain** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:58 am

Trying to put the team on your back is not leadership. Leadership is rallying all the troops together as a team to want to play as hard as you can every play. Itâ€™s making every player on the team feel as important as the next to do their job and that the team depends on the individual to do his job every play to make the plays work. This is something every player, coach, school, and community can take responsibility for. These are boys, they need motivation.
Iâ€™ll address community since that is what I am part of. Our crowds are not the same as they were the past few years. They are no crowd chants that our team can hear to show we are behind them. There are empty seats in the stands. Whatâ€™s up with that? The crowds are quiet, itâ€™s sad when the team players are trying to motivate the crowd when it should be the other way around. There are still a few crazies up there. The student cheer block can only do so much and they are down some too. What happened to the booth playing gongs on third down? (May be technical problem I donâ€™t know)
Like some commented, there is a breakdown (it seems) in every play, there is a breakdown during every game in coaches, school spirit, and community somewhere that just donâ€™t get the players motivated the way they need. I am not laying the blame on any ONE of these.
The responsibility lays on everyone of us as individuals and Minford Community as a whole, to rally around these boys and show them what pride in your community is and motivate them to do their best.
Now personally, I love these boys, coaches, school, community and hate to see the chemistry not be there. Especially for this team of seniors, who in eight grade you could not pry them apart with a crowbar.

Bleeding Red · Post by **Bleeding Red** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:12 am

Birdbrain wrote:Trying to put the team on your back is not leadership. Leadership is rallying all the troops together as a team to want to play as hard as you can every play. Itâ€™s making every player on the team feel as important as the next to do their job and that the team depends on the individual to do his job every play to make the plays work. This is something every player, coach, school, and community can take responsibility for. These are boys, they need motivation.
Iâ€™ll address community since that is what I am part of. Our crowds are not the same as they were the past few years. They are no crowd chants that our team can hear to show we are behind them. There are empty seats in the stands. Whatâ€™s up with that? The crowds are quiet, itâ€™s sad when the team players are trying to motivate the crowd when it should be the other way around. There are still a few crazies up there. The student cheer block can only do so much and they are down some too. What happened to the booth playing gongs on third down? (May be technical problem I donâ€™t know)
Like some commented, there is a breakdown (it seems) in every play, there is a breakdown during every game in coaches, school spirit, and community somewhere that just donâ€™t get the players motivated the way they need. I am not laying the blame on any ONE of these.
The responsibility lays on everyone of us as individuals and Minford Community as a whole, to rally around these boys and show them what pride in your community is and motivate them to do their best.
Now personally, I love these boys, coaches, school, community and hate to see the chemistry not be there. Especially for this team of seniors, who in eight grade you could not pry them apart with a crowbar.

I completely disagree with you. I have never seen a fan, coach, student from the cheer block suit up and go out and make a tackle. Or hold their block, or run their pass route, etc.

There are kids that have not gotten any better and are now getting picked on and targeted. I hope it is time to cut loyalty ties to a couple of the older kids and start playing younger ones.

3rd down tackles for a loss, completed passes, a big block springing a long run...that is what motivates the other players on the field.

Maybe its just me, but I dont ever remembering hearing anyone but coaches voices while on the field. I never remembered hearing the fans, community, etc. I remember hearing my teammates voices, their emotions, etc. But thats all I heard on the field. That could bring up a very interesting conversation in itself. Did you play football Birdbrain?

Birdbrain · Post by **Birdbrain** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:51 am

Yep, but I'll not say when...let's just say it back in a darker time of Minford football.
We didn't hear the crowd either..but there wasn't one.
Like I said, it's not one, but all the factors combined. All of them.
They aren't motivated. Why ? You could put it on the individual players, you can blame coaches,
you can blame community support, and fans. But I don't have first hand knowledge of that.
Just reporting what I see. All I can comment on is the crowd and community. There was a small crowd at the Lift a thon compared to last few years (community). No meet the team (school). If I was a young boy. I would think that would effect my motivation.

live4sport · Post by **live4sport** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:08 pm

All I can say is all the community stuff is great but when it is time to suit up and play it is on the PLAYERS to execute. As a player I never heard any of that stuff in the stands because I was focused on what I was doing and if I saw a knucklehead spending too much time worried about what was going on in the stands then I ripped him a new one for not keeping his head in the game. If a kid can't get motivated enough just by getting the opportunity to play this great game then he doesn't belong on the field. It's ridiculous to say that a varsity player has to be motivated by outside sources. Like I said---if a kid can't find motivation in competition, honor, and respect then go play something else because I'm sure there are plenty of motivated kids waiting for their chance.

Bo_Diaz · Post by **Bo_Diaz** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:16 pm

From an outsider's point of view, I think the biggest problem is adjusting to the loss of talent the past few seasons. Every program goes in cycles and Minford last some very talented football players the past few seasons. The kids filling those spots are good but just the same level as the ones who graduated. Minford is and will still be a good competitive team, they just need a few kids to be stud players like they've had the last 3-4 years.

Bleeding Red · Post by **Bleeding Red** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:47 pm

live4sport wrote:All I can say is all the community stuff is great but when it is time to suit up and play it is on the PLAYERS to execute. As a player I never heard any of that stuff in the stands because I was focused on what I was doing and if I saw a knucklehead spending too much time worried about what was going on in the stands then I ripped him a new one for not keeping his head in the game. If a kid can't get motivated enough just by getting the opportunity to play this great game then he doesn't belong on the field. It's ridiculous to say that a varsity player has to be motivated by outside sources. Like I said---if a kid can't find motivation in competition, honor, and respect then go play something else because I'm sure there are plenty of motivated kids waiting for their chance.

I agree 100%. The coaches are putting the kids in the right spots to make the plays, the kids just arent playing aggressive enough and efficient enough to get it done right now. They looked great in scrimmages and early on, but they havent been showing up ready to go out and play hard every play.

These kids have been involved with 4-5 years of really good football at Minford. So for them not knowing what it takes to win isnt the problem. Its them going out and doing it.

The coaches are doing what they can, I think it is time for these older kids on the team to get

Bleeding Red · Post by **Bleeding Red** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:52 pm

Birdbrain wrote:Yep, but I'll not say when...let's just say it back in a darker time of Minford football.
We didn't hear the crowd either..but there wasn't one.
Like I said, it's not one, but all the factors combined. All of them.
They aren't motivated. Why ? You could put it on the individual players, you can blame coaches,
you can blame community support, and fans. But I don't have first hand knowledge of that.
Just reporting what I see. All I can comment on is the crowd and community. There was a small crowd at the Lift a thon compared to last few years (community). No meet the team (school). If I was a young boy. I would think that would effect my motivation.

Same here. When I played, we werent great. We didnt have the crowds these Minford kids have now at the games.

But I will tell you this: Last year I watched Columbus Bishop Hartley play Ironton in the regular season at Ironton. Hartley would have been lucky to have 100 fans make the trip, as it was a skeleton crowd on their side. They won the state title last year. Its all comes down to how well the kids execute on the field.

Big crowds are nice, but kids playing hard every down with heart is what it takes. Diaz is also correct. It is hard to replace some of the kids we had the past 2-3 years. Lack of talent is one thing, lack of desire is another. This team has talent.

Birdbrain · Post by **Birdbrain** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:41 pm

I see the points you all are making and they are valid. Just hoping everyone gets on the right
track and plays to their full potential. Maybe its just me disappointed in the crowd.

falcon1 · Post by **falcon1** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:26 pm

If you need motivated to play.....and are not proud to put on that Falcon Jersey, Let some one on the field that is !!

Bleeding Red · Post by **Bleeding Red** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:00 pm

Redman wrote:If you need motivated to play.....and are not proud to put on that Falcon Jersey, Let some one on the field that is !!

Ding ding ding!

minfordmamma · Post by **minfordmamma** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:18 pm

First off NO I HAVE NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am around alot and I see NO leadership, a couple of the Seniors that can lead and do a little need to step forward and take control....there are some with attitudes....as to the crowds and the cheering, it is dead....WE ALL NEED FIRED UP!!!!!!!!!!!! The band well, it took all I had last night to not go down and tell the band director a thing or two....I was in the band and we played upbeat songs and kept the crowd going....isn't that what a pep and field band is for....why go to the games if you aren't going to play....I mean start playing the first quarter not the last when the team is already down....

The team has the talent they just need a fire set under them.....a fire from within....we need more heart....I also think that some of the coaching changes have affected them also....but this is all just my oppinion!!!!!!!!!!

Bleeding Red · Post by **Bleeding Red** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:55 pm

minfordmamma wrote:First off NO I HAVE NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am around alot and I see NO leadership, a couple of the Seniors that can lead and do a little need to step forward and take control....there are some with attitudes....as to the crowds and the cheering, it is dead....WE ALL NEED FIRED UP!!!!!!!!!!!! The band well, it took all I had last night to not go down and tell the band director a thing or two....I was in the band and we played upbeat songs and kept the crowd going....isn't that what a pep and field band is for....why go to the games if you aren't going to play....I mean start playing the first quarter not the last when the team is already down....

The team has the talent they just need a fire set under them.....a fire from within....we need more heart....I also think that some of the coaching changes have affected them also....but this is all just my oppinion!!!!!!!!!!

This team has talent, and thats about all I can agree with concerning your post. They have kids that are scared of contact that I hope the coaching staff puts on the bench, regardless of who's kids they are or what they have been through the past year. There are some that play hard, some dont. I hope it is time to try some younger kids who will make mistakes giving 110%, not make mistakes going 50%.

The band might fire you up, but I promise you that the kids on the field who are playing hard and focused are not paying any attention to you, the band director or the band. Self imposed motivation lasts much longer than a fight song or someone putting a foot in the rear end. Heart- they either have it, or they dont. After 4 weeks it is getting clearer who has it and who doesnt.

Bleeding Red · Post by **Bleeding Red** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:55 pm

FIDO wrote:This is not directed at any particular team/player.............

You can't really coach heart/desire......You can use the bench as a tool to provide a little motivation and/or as a means of getting a player/players attention but that's about all you can do.......The player/players either have the heart and desire or they don't....If they don't and all things are equal, I'd certainly put the player with the heart/desire on the field, underclassman or not.....

Good post.

minfordmamma · Post by **minfordmamma** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:33 pm

I can see there have been underclassmen playing....That is also part of the problem....We have a lot of first year starters, not alot of experience at the varsity level... I think that the seniors have maybe 5 tops that have started, 2 or 3 jrs, and 1 sophmore....not making excuses but give them a chance to gel together...I remember some saying the same things at games last year and the year before about putting underclassman in.....if they are good enough to fill the spot, coach D. will put them in that spot

Won't you just take a chill pill Bleeding Red.....Just be proud of the boys no matter what the record is.....I'm proud of them regardless of their record.....I tell my son if he feels like he played his hardest and had fun then that is all that matters.

LOVE MY FALCONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bleeding Red · Post by **Bleeding Red** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:43 pm

Did I say that I was not proud of them? Geez lady give me a break. This is a DISCUSSION BOARD woman and we will probably discuss things. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Stop jumping to conclusions.

2013FALCON · Post by **2013FALCON** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:48 pm

Heart and desire is what it takes. Did anyone really think we would be 2-2 thru the 1st 4 weeks..no. Some boys are stepping up some are not. The players who think they dont make any mistakes on the field need to drop their attitudes and stop running their mouths to their teammates. That is not a team player. Out of our 22 varsity players 15 of them are 1st time varsity players...big factor. And we also moved up a division. So win or lose...stand behind your team. Dont be a fair weather fan. Get behind the team and coaches. Win as a team..lose as a team.

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