Athens in the SEOAL v Athens in the TVC

[Heavy D]

Here we go again with the crying and complaining. Why cant anyone get on here and give their truthful opinion about Athens, (when it isn't pie in the sky), without one of you crybabies getting on here and calling them haters and kid bashers? Please grow up. Many people say the same things about other teams yet no one calls them haters or kid bashers. So why is it that Athens fans see the need to do that? It makes you look soft, and provokes more of the same types of posts and comments. Let it go.

[blubomber89]

First off Mr. Heavy there is never and never will be a soft bone in my body. And when you look at most of these threads it has to do with athens and them being to small or not tough enough schedule. Ok I get it but there is nothing you or anybody else can do about them being where they are. So don't tell me to grow up cause I am a grown man. And secondly I'm not crying just as some of you point out the things about Athens and there short comings, I point out the fact that if some people were in the same postion as athens and had the opportunity to go elsewhere and be successful you would to. I am not from Athens nor did I go to school there. I come from a D1 school in Cleveland and played D1 ball in college. I am a person who has observed a lot of the teams down here for about 15 years and it is what I see. s if you feel guilty keep throwing the stones.

[blubomber89]

You know what let me apologize for my last post out of character for me. Heavy you are intitled to your opinion and let's just leave it at that.

[Heavy D]

You know what let me apologize for my last post out of character for me. Heavy you are intitled to your opinion and let's just leave it at that.

Did you mean entitled? If you played D1 college football you should be educated enough to know the differnce between bashing a team, and being realisitc. You claimed that people were bashing, when they and I believe they are being accurate in assessing the abilities of the team. I never said I would not make the same move Athens did. Matter of fact my team did kind of the same thing several years ago. But our fans admit that even when we have a 9-1 year, those teams probably would not have been 9-1 in the old league. I think it is clear on this thread that most people think the success Athens had this past season was due in LARGE part to the change in competition that came with the league change. Apparently some Athens people think that had little to do with it. IMO they are living in a dream world.

[Dundas]

who is your team heavy?

[Daniel Larusso]

It is to early to tell what Athens will do, but I can say this I hope that Athens prove you guys wrong. We beat you guys in basketball this year (same size school), and probably would have gave you guys a run for your money in football. Stop the hating and the bashing Of these kids because they performed well. If you have a problem with who they play call the AD and question him. Nothing like seeing grown men bash kids who play for the love of the game wether win or lose.

Logan was hands down the best football team in southeastern Ohio last season, and have been for several years. They would have beat Athens by 50 points just like they did every other team they played.

[GalliaGrad78]

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I hate it but Daniel is right.

[Orange and Brown]

It is to early to tell what Athens will do, but I can say this I hope that Athens prove you guys wrong. We beat you guys in basketball this year (same size school), and probably would have gave you guys a run for your money in football. Stop the hating and the bashing Of these kids because they performed well. If you have a problem with who they play call the AD and question him. Nothing like seeing grown men bash kids who play for the love of the game wether win or lose.

Logan was hands down the best football team in southeastern Ohio last season, and have been for several years. They would have beat Athens by 50 points just like they did every other team they played.

I agree!

[blubomber89]

Hey, Heavy I respect your opinion, and larusso by 50 i don't think so logans team was very good, but with athens pass rush don't think Angle would have had a lot of time. Do I think Athens would have won, probably not but I believe it would have been close. Back to Heavy, I think (some) of Athens fans are realistic and knows that we were fortunate to have a good team. But I also think that Athens just happened to have a good team and be in the TVC. IMO with the team that they had, had they been in the SEAOL they would have been really good. 9-1 maybe not but they would have been good.

[Daniel Larusso]

Hey, Heavy I respect your opinion, and larusso by 50 i don't think so logans team was very good, but with athens pass rush don't think Angle would have had a lot of time. Do I think Athens would have won, probably not but I believe it would have been close. Back to Heavy, I think (some) of Athens fans are realistic and knows that we were fortunate to have a good team. But I also think that Athens just happened to have a good team and be in the TVC. IMO with the team that they had, had they been in the SEAOL they would have been really good. 9-1 maybe not but they would have been good.

Ok I am really trying to give Athens the benefit of the doubt, but some of their fans are in some serious denial. blubomber I will ask this question. When did the legendary Athens pass rush become so legendary? Was it the Federal Hocking game? Maybe it was the Wahama game. It really doesn't matter because their schedule was full of a bunch of division 4 and 5 schools minus a down Gallia and Vinton County who are both division 3. Wahama is the equivalent of an Ohio division 6 school. In case you forgot Logan is a division 2 school just like Athens. Logan also has a division 2 offensive line that the legendary Athens pass rush would have to face. In one of my earlier posts on this thread I posted where Athens would have finished in the SEOAL in football and basketball this season. Go back and check it out, and yes Logan beats Athens by 50 or more. It would have depended on when coach Amyx took out the starters.

I have been very critical of Athens in the TVC, and have refrained from commenting much on it lately. A lot of people mistake my comments as TVC bashing which is not true. I think the TVC is a great league, and the teams in it should be happy for anything they accomplish. Vinton County has a great basketball team as Nelsonville York has a great football team. My criticism is directed at Athens and Athens only. Why you ask? Because they are far too big for the TVC, and as Heavy D would say that is a fact. The numbers don't lie. I will shut up if someone can show me a school in the TVC with the economic/demographic advantages of Athens. I know some of you TVC folks are gung ho about Athens being in the league, but there are also some saying the same thing as a lot of the critics. Big fish, Small pond


Some more facts for Heavy D

Fall Sports
TVC Football = Athens never finishes any worse than 2nd or 3rd
TVC Golf = Athens every year
TVC Cross Country = Athens every year

Winter Sports
TVC Basketball = Athens never finishes any worse than 2nd or 3rd
TVC Wrestling = Athens every year

Spring Sports
TVC Baseball = Athens almost every year
TVC Track = Athens every year

I will go ahead and congratulate Athens on their forthcoming TVC baseball and track titles.

[Dundas]

You make good points dainel...but Athens would not have lost to Logan by 50 points...thats just crazy. Athens in the TVC, IMO, was equal to Warren in the Seoal last year...Warren didnt lose to Logan by 50, nor wouldve Athens. I would say more like 4 touchdowns.


As for your facts...

Athens finished 4th in Football and Basketball in 2008...and thats a fact.

[Daniel Larusso]

You make good points dainel...but Athens would not have lost to Logan by 50 points...thats just crazy. Athens in the TVC, IMO, was equal to Warren in the Seoal last year...Warren didnt lose to Logan by 50, nor wouldve Athens. I would say more like 4 touchdowns.


As for your facts...

Athens finished 4th in Football and Basketball in 2008...and thats a fact.

I gotta disagree Dundas. Warren was at least a touchdown or 2 better than Athens.

2008 Athens did finish 4th in both money sports, but 2008 was also their first year in the TVC. They were coming off of weekly beatdowns in the SEOAL, and didn't believe they could win. They have now started a trend of winning, and trends spread quickly. I expect the trend to continue.

[Dundas]

Of course there is a reason Athens didnt sweep the league in their first year.. you are right. Everyone who thinks otherwise will just have to realize that Athens is king and will reign forever.

Athens took beatdowns from the TVC just the same as the Seoal when they were in that league. If you go by the past, Athens will not be on top for long. They will be overall better than they were in the Seoal...but they will not dominate year in and year out or else they wouldve done it all along when they played TVC teams in the past.

[1987chieftains]

i can take it my head is going to explode!

D2 Logan 2009
D1 Lancaster (6-4)W 33-14
D1Pickerington North (7-3)W 24-21
D2 Hamilton Township (0-10)W 49-7
D3 Gallia Academy (2-8)W 57-6
D4 Ironton (8-2)W 21-7
D2 Zanesville (9-1)W 26-0
D2 Marietta (1-9)W 48-3
D2 Warren (7-3)W 31-15
D3 Jackson (7-3)W 27-7
D3 Chillicothe (1-9)W 51-14
other then i-town, all 1st string was just about out of the game after the 1st series after 1/2 time.


Athens 2009
D3 Gallia Academy (2-8)W 21-0
D5 Federal Hocking (3-7)W 47-7
D4 Bloom-Carroll (2-8)W 41-14
D4 Meigs (5-5)W 56-18
D3 Vinton County (1-9)W 42-0
D4 Alexander (8-2)W 33-7
D4 Wellston (3-7)W 26-0
D5 Nelsonville-York (8-2)L 13-14
D5 Belpre (0-10)W 35-0
D6 Wahama (WV) (7-2)W 36-20
if you look at both schedules gallia is the only team both played. athens beat them in week 1 by 21. we beat them by 51 in week 4. the teams athens played had a 39W-60L record. that gave athens 39.5 level 1 pts and 128 level 2 pts. teams LOGAN played was 56W-52L. that gave LOGAN 53.5 level1 pts and 252 levels pts. sorry, there is no way anyone couldn't tell me LOGAN would not have rolled athens by 50. LOGAN and athens play in way different worlds.
this was the LOGAN schedule from 2007 the last time LOGAN play athens.
Logan 2007
Lancaster (7-4)L 7-31
Chillicothe (4-6)W 47-18
Pickerington North (5-5)W 24-7
Athens (1-9)W 62-6 *note this was in the SEOAL. hints the 1-9 record.
Gallia Academy (4-6)W 40-0
Zanesville (8-3)W 26-7
Marietta (3-7)W 76-20
Warren (3-7)60-7
Portsmouth (8-3)W 61-14
Ironton (5-5)W 53-14
think thats is 58 pts we won by.

You make good points dainel...but Athens would not have lost to Logan by 50 points...thats just crazy. Athens in the TVC, IMO, was equal to Warren in the Seoal last year...Warren didnt lose to Logan by 50, nor wouldve Athens. I would say more like 4 touchdowns.

ok maybe 49.

[blubomber89]

Now don't go putting words in my mouth larusso, never said legendary....lol But I will say this, Athens had a really good team regardless of the level of compition many say was not good. I have been around football as player in highschool and in college and as a coach. And i think I can notice talent when I see it, maybe I'm wrong it has been known to happen before. But all of this is opinion and that is how I take. Till football season have a good one.

and side note track is a little different speed is speed and Athens has plenty of it.

[1987chieftains]

i don't think your wrong completely but i think your thinking is not clear. athens being a D2 team in ohio playing a D4/D5 schedule/ league (TVC)in ohio is ....... well is ???? ?????. and being dropped for post season play(9-1)..... . then wondering why??? look...... its not hard.. do you want to play the local yocals like it was 1955 just for some quick $$$$$ or do you want your school to really be able to compete with the state? and make real money for the long haul. this is what the measuring stick in the rest of the state is for how good you really are. ask ironton D5. they are always dogging LOGAN for being the biggest school in the SEO, and playing in a D2/D3/D4 league. we are playing the biggest league in our area, the SEOAL and scheduling teams as big or bigger. athens D2 is not.

[1987chieftains]

and side note track is a little different speed is speed and Athens has plenty of it.

sorry bomber.... athen wasn't a consistant top preformer in track either in the SEOAL days. long, short distants or field events. so NO athens doesn't have plenty of it.

[noreply66]

Athens track will not do well against the big boys.

Take the Parkersburg meet last year

[boilermaker]

I am one TVC fan/supporter that was and is against Athens being in the league. BIG FISH small pond

[noreply66]

I haven't talked to one person from the TVC [all parents] that wanted Athens in the league.