7-1 Oak Hill @ 2-6 Ironton

The Oaf · Post by **The Oaf** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:05 pm

noles_fan wrote:
SouthernStorm wrote:If Ironton played the schedule oak hill has they would have a nice record as well. The record of each team in this game has zero relevance because each team has played such different levels of competition. I like the tigers in this one.
If Oak Hill played Ironton's schedule they would still have a better record than Ironton. Ironton lost the games that everyone thought they would lose, but also lost to 2 teams that they should've beat.

Who would OH beat that Ironton didn't and what 2 teams should Ironton have defeated?

79Tiger · Post by **79Tiger** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:06 pm

I would never bet against the Tigers but these final two games are against teams that are having banner seasons and no longer dread the thought of playing the Tigers. That could be the difference maker. Who wants the win more?

maniac66 · Post by **maniac66** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:31 pm

If I had to guess I would say noles_fan is saying the 2 teams are Ashland and Portsmouth.

YOU'RE TIGER BAIT · Post by **YOU'RE TIGER BAIT** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:37 pm

I agree trh

noles_fan · Post by **noles_fan** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:23 pm

Yes that would be the 2 teams. The other 4 ended up pretty much how everyone thought they would.

Trojan_Pride · Post by **Trojan_Pride** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:39 pm

lets hope our guys come out and play the entire game just like we played against st Charles in 1st half and we will win. I agree with TRH whoever wants this game more will get the win.

ps for the record oak hill would lose against both Portsmouth and Ashland!

The Oaf · Post by **The Oaf** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:46 pm

noles_fan wrote:Yes that would be the 2 teams. The other 4 ended up pretty much how everyone thought they would.

PHS and Asland? I'm not so sure if they were "supposed" to win those games, PHS maybe. Definitely not the 7-2 Tomcats. Answer the rest of my original question please, who would the Oaks beat on Ironton's schedule that the Tigers didn't?

noles_fan · Post by **noles_fan** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:20 pm

cg-ironton fan wrote:lets hope our guys come out and play the entire game just like we played against st Charles in 1st half and we will win. I agree with TRH whoever wants this game more will get the win.

ps for the record oak hill would lose against both Portsmouth and Ashland!

PS. Oak Hill would beat them both. Portsmouth was with out their best player when they played Ironton and still got the win. And its just Ashland remember ain't that the motto Ironton fans were saying all week before that game.

noles_fan · Post by **noles_fan** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:35 pm

The Oaf wrote:
noles_fan wrote:Yes that would be the 2 teams. The other 4 ended up pretty much how everyone thought they would.
PHS and Asland? I'm not so sure if they were "supposed" to win those games, PHS maybe. Definitely not the 7-2 Tomcats. Answer the rest of my original question please, who would the Oaks beat on Ironton's schedule that the Tigers didn't?

This response was to maniac66 post. So that would be the 2 teams. Didn't realize I had to quote the post.

Re: 7-1 Oak Hill @ 2-6 Ironton

Post by maniac66 Â» October 22nd, 2013, 9:31 pm

If I had to guess I would say noles_fan is saying the 2 teams are Ashland and Portsmouth.

Trojan_Pride · Post by **Trojan_Pride** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:50 pm

oak hills 7 wins record is against teams 19-37 and irontons 2 wins are against 8-8 teams. Ashland would thump the oaks while the Portsmouth game would be a little closer.

TIGERS 26-22

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:25 am

noles_fan wrote:
The Oaf wrote:
noles_fan wrote:Yes that would be the 2 teams. The other 4 ended up pretty much how everyone thought they would.
PHS and Asland? I'm not so sure if they were "supposed" to win those games, PHS maybe. Definitely not the 7-2 Tomcats. Answer the rest of my original question please, who would the Oaks beat on Ironton's schedule that the Tigers didn't?
This response was to maniac66 post. So that would be the 2 teams. Didn't realize I had to quote the post.

Re: 7-1 Oak Hill @ 2-6 Ironton

Post by maniac66 Â» October 22nd, 2013, 9:31 pm

If I had to guess I would say noles_fan is saying the 2 teams are Ashland and Portsmouth.

You make me sleepy! I know u wish that u could be a TIGER fan! But u are just a typical TIGER hater. One that kicks them while they are down. How many of those teams could have your Siders played with is the question?

The Oaf · Post by **The Oaf** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:00 am

I'll try for a third time to get you to answer my question noles, who on Ironton's schedule would Oak Hill beat that the Tiger's couldn't? How difficult is this for you to get??

noles_fan · Post by **noles_fan** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:07 am

Gus I wouldn't want to be a tiger this year or any year!!!!! If you don't like my answers don't read them. I was asked who I thought Oak Hill would've beat and I gave my answer. I'm not a tiger hater, personally I could careless about them. I am a supporter of SOC schools, both divisions unless they are playing West. To answer your question West could play with any team Ironton has played this year and would be 3-7 if not 4-6 with that schedule. The tigers didn't play the same Portsmouth team that West did or that score would have been worse. Portsmouth was with out their starting QB and their best athlete in Robinson. So before you ask your next silly question Yes I do think West is a better team then ironton this year.

noles_fan · Post by **noles_fan** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:11 am

The Oaf wrote:I'll try for a third time to get you to answer my question noles, who on Ironton's schedule would Oak Hill beat that the Tiger's couldn't? How difficult is this for you to get??

Here you go "The Oaf" since you couldn't put one and one together. I think Oak Hill would beat Portsmouth and Ashland!!!! I hope you can figure it out this time.

The Oaf · Post by **The Oaf** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:26 am

noles_fan wrote:
The Oaf wrote:I'll try for a third time to get you to answer my question noles, who on Ironton's schedule would Oak Hill beat that the Tiger's couldn't? How difficult is this for you to get??
Here you go "The Oaf" since you couldn't put one and one together. I think Oak Hill would beat Portsmouth and Ashland!!!! I hope you can figure it out this time.

Oak Hill would beat Portsmouth and Ashland huh? What complete folly lmfao! I suppose you think Portsmouth Notre Dame would roll into the Tank and win too since they "played OH so tough"

btw, Oliver is a better QB for Portsmouth anyway, so saying PHS was without their starting QB is another punch line!

I see why elite tristate sports has you write for them, which by the way resemble something that an 8th grader would slap together.

Here's an idea, maybe you should stick to xbox football because you clearly don't get the real sport. I'm finished with you.

Jesco White · Post by **Jesco White** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:42 am

noles_fan, man I'm sorry, but having watched Oak Hill and Portsmouth, I honestly don't think the Oaks would beat the Trojans. When it comes to comparing Ironton and Oak Hill, their schedules are so polar opposite that I don't feel comparing them is a useful tool. I think the only way to compare them is to evaluate what you've actually seen from watching the two teams and factoring injuries into the equation to know who is playing for each team Friday night.

Personally, I just can't see this Oak Hill team beating Ironton. I've watched the Oaks live (vs ND) and while I thought they were better than I expected prior to seeing them, I still don't think they are capable of winning against a battle-tested Ironton squad.....unless Ironton's schedule has led to a decimated roster.

noles_fan · Post by **noles_fan** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:03 am

Jesco White I have always respected your opinion I have to disagree with you on this one. I've seen Ironton play live and come away unimpressed. Ironton played a Trojan team that was without Robinson who hands down is there biggest weapon they had coming into this year. And if the Oaks would have played the Trojans in the same situations as Ironton did yes they would've beaten them you had Oliver making his first ever start as a High school QB in a offense that was still brand new to the team as a whole let alone someone having to learn more than one position. Playing in what is suppose to be "the most intimidating" place to play in SEO. As far as ND goes small school or not they have a stable of running backs that could play on any team in this area. Very seldom do you have 3 running backs who can go the distance anytime they touch the ball.

As I said before as long as the Oaks don't get intimidated by where there are playing and focus on who they are playing this is their game to win.

Jesco White · Post by **Jesco White** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:37 am

I absolutely understand where you're coming from, however having watched Oak Hill I just didn't see a team that could deliver a win against a larger "program". Take the Minford game, for example. At the time people were hyping that game as two undefeated teams duking it out. However, neither team is what they've been in the past. Obviously the same argument can be made for Ironton this year. However, with as young as the Tigers are and as many injuries as they've battled thru with that schedule, it also adds up to a ton of additional experience and I'm wiling to bet the Tiger team that takes the field Friday night will be much improved from the team that played Portsmouth a few weeks ago. Having lived in Ironton for a couple of years and being friends with some of the parents, I can promise one thing that did stay behind when Lutz left was the mentality to not just lay down. I know we both know how important that is with a young team. As far as the point about Oliver.....I'm sure he didn't have to learn that offense under fire completely, given that he was already the back-up QB and a very bright/athletic kid. He stepped in and elevated that offense. I don't disagree that it was a bad loss for the Tigers, but it was a rivalry game. After all, West lost to Portsmouth, then rebounded a few weeks later to garner a win over that same Minford squad that seemed to eventually impose their will on the Oaks.

Maybe I'm wrong, but having watched Oak Hill struggle with ND then not be able to pull away from Symmes Valley, it just made me believe that while the Oaks are going to win the SOC 1, that is the exact level those youngsters are on this year. I just don't see that translating to beating Ironton. As far as ND's RB's are concerned...they don't have 3 kids that can go to the house at any time, they have 2 kids that get 40-50 carries a game combined. They are both solid football players, but to think they would start at RB for anyone else in the county is a slight stretch. They would certainly play anywhere else in the county, because they are talented, but they aren't breath taking game breakers. I love coach Ashley to death, as I've known him for a number of years, and I love what he's doing with that program (again). But, watching an SOC 1 game and then watching an SOC 2 game is very different right now. Struggling or not, this Ironton team is much more on the same level as an SOC 2 type school than Oak Hill is.

All of that being said, I think the Oaks have a great future and they're doing an awesome job with the personnel they have. I definitely won't be shocked if the Oaks win, but I think Ironton would be slightly favored in "Vegas" 8)

noles_fan · Post by **noles_fan** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:04 am

The Oaf wrote:
noles_fan wrote:
The Oaf wrote:I'll try for a third time to get you to answer my question noles, who on Ironton's schedule would Oak Hill beat that the Tiger's couldn't? How difficult is this for you to get??
Here you go "The Oaf" since you couldn't put one and one together. I think Oak Hill would beat Portsmouth and Ashland!!!! I hope you can figure it out this time.
Oak Hill would beat Portsmouth and Ashland huh? What complete folly lmfao! I suppose you think Portsmouth Notre Dame would roll into the Tank and win too since they "played OH so tough" btw, Oliver is a better QB for Portsmouth anyway, so saying PHS was without their starting QB is another punch line! I see why elite tristate sports has you write for them, which by the way resemble something that an 8th grader would slap together. Here's an idea, maybe you should stick to xbox football because you clearly don't get the real sport. I'm finished with you.

While I am flattered that you would go to all the trouble to find out who I am, I really could care less about your opinion of me. I will not lose one minutes sleep because you do not like something I have written. I surprised that you would think we have Xbox's here on the West Side. Everyone thinks we are just a bunch of dumb rednecks still drawling plays in the dirt with a stick.

I would put my football knowledge up against yours any day sir.
BTW, I never said Oliver wasn't a good QB, I said it was his first start at QB. Oliver is an outstanding athlete hands down with out a question and has done a fine job at QB. I will defer to coach Sparks decision on who is the best QB for his team. There must've been some reason he had Wedebrook starting the first 4 games and played Oliver as a receiver.

noles_fan · Post by **noles_fan** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:37 am

Jesco White wrote:I absolutely understand where you're coming from, however having watched Oak Hill I just didn't see a team that could deliver a win against a larger "program". Take the Minford game, for example. At the time people were hyping that game as two undefeated teams duking it out. However, neither team is what they've been in the past. Obviously the same argument can be made for Ironton this year. However, with as young as the Tigers are and as many injuries as they've battled thru with that schedule, it also adds up to a ton of additional experience and I'm wiling to bet the Tiger team that takes the field Friday night will be much improved from the team that played Portsmouth a few weeks ago. Having lived in Ironton for a couple of years and being friends with some of the parents, I can promise one thing that did stay behind when Lutz left was the mentality to not just lay down. I know we both know how important that is with a young team. As far as the point about Oliver.....I'm sure he didn't have to learn that offense under fire completely, given that he was already the back-up QB and a very bright/athletic kid. He stepped in and elevated that offense. I don't disagree that it was a bad loss for the Tigers, but it was a rivalry game. After all, West lost to Portsmouth, then rebounded a few weeks later to garner a win over that same Minford squad that seemed to eventually impose their will on the Oaks.

Maybe I'm wrong, but having watched Oak Hill struggle with ND then not be able to pull away from Symmes Valley, it just made me believe that while the Oaks are going to win the SOC 1, that is the exact level those youngsters are on this year. I just don't see that translating to beating Ironton. As far as ND's RB's are concerned...they don't have 3 kids that can go to the house at any time, they have 2 kids that get 40-50 carries a game combined. They are both solid football players, but to think they would start at RB for anyone else in the county is a slight stretch. They would certainly play anywhere else in the county, because they are talented, but they aren't breath taking game breakers. I love coach Ashley to death, as I've known him for a number of years, and I love what he's doing with that program (again). But, watching an SOC 1 game and then watching an SOC 2 game is very different right now. Struggling or not, this Ironton team is much more on the same level as an SOC 2 type school than Oak Hill is.

All of that being said, I think the Oaks have a great future and they're doing an awesome job with the personnel they have. I definitely won't be shocked if the Oaks win, but I think Ironton would be slightly favored in "Vegas" 8)

I agree with some of what you are saying. I know we have gotten off point about the Ironton/Oak Hill game but I stand behind that if in the same situation Oak Hill would have beat Portsmouth in week 5. Does that mean I think they could beat them now in week 9, no I don't. I think Oliver has gotten a better grasp of the offense and has made his mark at the QB spot. And since you brought up West, when they played Portsmouth the Trojans were at 100% when they played Minford they didn't have Robinson their big play guy same as when they played Ironton. The last thing is Oak Hill has a new starter that didn't play against Minford. This is my take if Oak Hill comes in and plays like they want to prove that they are a legitimate program they have a team that can win. On the same note if they don't come in ready to prove they belong with the big boys and are in awe of their surroundings it will be a long night for them.

As for the ND boys I said they could play running back for any program not start. I'm not crazy enough to think they would take some of the starting running backs jobs but they would get some carries. Either one would make a fine compliment to say Eddie Miller.