Shout out to the Refs of the Athens-Fairland game

[93Bulldog]

How did this thread go from comparing two teams who met on the field Friday, Athens and Fairland, to comparing Athens to Miller ... lol

you guys crack me up.

[ucantcme]

So why then did Athens get out of the SEOAL? They were still bigger than most schools in there but not by as much as the TVC schools. They still play three of the seoal schools and soon 4 they travel to fairland and watkins mem. So why? How do they still compete in the seoal in soccer? What other schools in the tvc has a swim team, tennis, JV golf,jv tennis, jv soccer,Boys and girls?? What other TVC track team has to take two busses to a track meet or a cross country meet? The TVC doesnt offer some of these sports, why, because the schools are not big enough to support such programs. Yet your league has a div 6 team in it? But its ok because you only have 42 kids from soph to senior on your football team? You can fudge the numbers to justify about anything but when you are playing div 5 fairland Wellston, Alex and div 6 Nelsonville, they dont have the same numbers to choose from as you. I bet you have kids on your JV team that could start for most other teams in your league. Dont come on here with we have the same number out for football as whoever so its even. Its not. If it were you'd be in the Div 7 playoffs. It should go by the number of players on your team right. Not the number in your school.

[M0TIVAT0R]

How did this thread go from comparing two teams who met on the field Friday, Athens and Fairland, to comparing Athens to Miller ... lol

you guys crack me up.

Because once again you came on here and tried to argue that numbers do not matter. You crack us up as well.

[93Bulldog]

Somebody needs to call the OHSAA and inform them that Trimble can't compete in Division 7 anymore and needs to be moved up... and they are not allowed in the TVC-Hocking either.

52 players they have.

I'm telling you guys right now, if you came in from out of state and watched the jamboree game - you would have been for certain Trimble was by far the bigger school and Athens the smaller ... they had more players and they were bigger than Athens across the board.

Trimble is Division 7!

If Fairland, who is two divisions bigger than Trimble, stepped onto the field with the Tomcats would they be favored? Would anyone say "Fairland should win cause they have more boys in the school?" ... you couldn't say Fairland had more football players or a bigger roster because they don't.

The fact is if Fairland and Trimble played, not a peep would be said about enrollment or division ... its only because some people have a problem with Athens that it is even brought up.
Trimble just played Meigs ... a team THREE DIVISIONS bigger than it ... not a single post or word was said about it.

You just don't like Athens MOTIVATOR, plain and simple ... just come out and admit it instead of posting negative remarks all the time ... as a moderator I read all the other threads all the time and I have never seen you say ONE THING about a bigger team playing a smaller team except on Athens threads.

[M0TIVAT0R]

Somebody needs to call the OHSAA and inform them that Trimble can't compete in Division 7 anymore and needs to be moved up... and they are not allowed in the TVC-Hocking either.

52 players they have.

I'm telling you guys right now, if you came in from out of state and watched the jamboree game - you would have been for certain Trimble was by far the bigger school and Athens the smaller ... they had more players and they were bigger than Athens across the board.

Trimble is Division 7!

If Fairland, who is two divisions bigger than Trimble, stepped onto the field with the Tomcats would they be favored? Would anyone say "Fairland should win cause they have more boys in the school?" ... you couldn't say Fairland had more football players or a bigger roster because they don't.

The fact is if Fairland and Trimble played, not a peep would be said about enrollment or division ... its only because some people have a problem with Athens that it is even brought up.
Trimble just played Meigs ... a team THREE DIVISIONS bigger than it ... not a single post or word was said about it.

You just don't like Athens MOTIVATOR, plain and simple ... just come out and admit it instead of posting negative remarks all the time ... as a moderator I read all the other threads all the time and I have never seen you say ONE THING about a bigger team playing a smaller team except on Athens threads.

That is because no one from Meigs gets on here constantly arguing that numbers do not matter.

[93Bulldog]

Because once again you came on here and tried to argue that numbers do not matter. You crack us up as well.

I have never said numbers do not matter ... I just don't put as much stock into it as some people do ... is there a difference between an Athens and a Miller? of Course. When your talking about a team with a handful of players there is a difference, when you're comparing two teams that has 50 players - and the other has 40 - now you're nitpicking.

I don't see a big difference between teams with 40, 50 or even 60 man rosters ... give me a team with 25 good football players over a team with 40 so-so football players any day of the week.

[M0TIVAT0R]

Bulldog 93 wrote:

You just don't like Athens MOTIVATOR, plain and simple ... just come out and admit it instead of posting negative remarks all the time ... as a moderator I read all the other threads all the time and I have never seen you say ONE THING about a bigger team playing a smaller team except on Athens threads.

I like Athens. I am glad they have made a come back. It is great for our area, and our league. You come on here and constantly claim there is no advantage to the bigger schools over the smaller ones. That is not true. While there are many factors involved in having a quality football program, numbers is one of them. If not, someone should contact the OHSAA and have them move to just one division, since the size of the school has no bearing.

[93Bulldog]

That is because no one from Meigs gets on here constantly arguing that numbers do not matter.

I ONLY POST "REPLIES" TO STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT ENROLLMENT ... I PREFER TO NOT EVEN DISUCSS IT.

SO HOW ABOUT THIS ... QUIT CRYING OVER IT AND I WON'T POST OR SAY A THING.

DEAL?

[93Bulldog]

It's a simple subject where everyone just needs to agree to disagree.

Do numbers matter? My answer is yes, in some ways it does.

The disagreement stems from those who believe it matters more than I do.

That is all.

[M0TIVAT0R]

Because once again you came on here and tried to argue that numbers do not matter. You crack us up as well.

I have never said numbers do not matter ... I just don't put as much stock into it as some people do ... is there a difference between an Athens and a Miller? of Course. When your talking about a team with a handful of players there is a difference, when you're comparing two teams that has 50 players - and the other has 40 - now you're nitpicking.

I don't see a big difference between teams with 40, 50 or even 60 man rosters ... give me a team with 25 good football players over a team with 40 so-so football players any day of the week.

Again, I would be willing to bet that your 50 is better than any other schools 50 in the TVC. Trimble may dress 50, but they are getting their 50 from far less boys in the school than Athens is. What I will agree on is that Athens has had those numbers for many years, and still were not very good recently. Coach Adams came in and turned things around. He gets the right players out of the 270 or so boys in the school, the staff does a great job coaching them up, and so are making the best of the numbers available to them. I hope they go 10-0, and deep in the playoffs. It will help kids around here realize it is not impossible to do that.

[M0TIVAT0R]

That is because no one from Meigs gets on here constantly arguing that numbers do not matter.

I ONLY POST "REPLIES" TO STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT ENROLLMENT ... I PREFER TO NOT EVEN DISUCSS IT.

SO HOW ABOUT THIS ... QUIT CRYING OVER IT AND I WON'T POST OR SAY A THING.

DEAL?

I never cried. Just replied to statements.

It's a simple subject where everyone just needs to agree to disagree.

Do numbers matter? My answer is yes, in some ways it does.

The disagreement stems from those who believe it matters more than I do.

That is all.

I do agree with this. And as I stated, there are many factors involved, not just numbers. Sorry if it appeared differently.

[93Bulldog]

Good deal ...

You know everyone said this before about Athens. In 2009 they were a D2 football team with over 300 boys in the school - they finished (9-1) and everyone thought they would dominate the area forever ... the following season in 2010 Athens was a .500 team, finished 5-5 overall and 3-2 in the TVC ... like I said, they were a D2 team, had over 300 boys and it didn't help them one iota when they traveled to little ol Alexander and Nelsonville-York and lost.

Coaching at Athens is great, the program is healthy, but lets face it ... a lot of the dominance is coming from a junior class that is arguably the best ever in the history of the school ... Burrow, Williams, Luehrman, Luehrman, etc ... etc ... will one day graduate, the freshmen class at NY will be juniors and the pendulum will swing back the other way I bet.

if Athens wins the TVC-Ohio this year and next, they will have five ... if NY wins it the following year and when Mount/Edwards/Andrews are seniors they will have 5 ... each school could claim 5 titles each over a 10-year span ... what else could you ask for out of a league ... the addition of Wahama to the Hocking - and Athens to the Ohio - actually gave the two leagues 'title games' as opposed to NY/Trimble wrapping up championships by week 7.

[dragonsfan24]

The fact is if Fairland and Trimble played, not a peep would be said about enrollment or division ... its only because some people have a problem with Athens that it is even brought up.
Trimble just played Meigs ... a team THREE DIVISIONS bigger than it ... not a single post or word was said about it.

I have to disagree.

I think if Meigs would beat Trimble or if Fairland beat Trimble this season then I think people would have turned it from Meigs/Fairland beating a very talented Trimble squad to "Well of course they beat em! They're a bigger school!" and the sqwakboxing would begin.


Keep in mind, I don't feel like the enrollment card is a valid excuse here because Fairland is sitting at 202 boys, and the cutoff for being a D4 school is 213. By the time OHSAA looks at enrollment to change divisional alignments in 2015, Fairland should be well above the 213 mark. [judging by the size of the 6th, 7th, and 8th grade classes.]

[93Bulldog]

I have to disagree.

I think if Meigs would beat Trimble or if Fairland beat Trimble this season then I think people would have turned it from Meigs/Fairland beating a very talented Trimble squad to "Well of course they beat em! They're a bigger school!" and the sqwakboxing would begin.

EXACTLY!

Happens ever week with Athens ... they beat a DII Watkins Memorial team and a DIII Jackson squad and I didn't hear a peep out of anyone ... they turned around and beat DV Fairland, which was BETTER THAN JACKSON and WATKINS - and you would think the world had just ended ... lol

[fortdawg]

93bulldog, you mentioned a neat thing---there has been some talk, as there should be, about these recent Athens teams being the best ever. I would like some real Old Timers, that means older than me, talk about the Athens squads that had Adams, Snyder, and Green. That's 3 guys on the same team that played pro football!!!!! I'd love to hear some comparisons
between then and now.

[93Bulldog]

93bulldog, you mentioned a neat thing---there has been some talk, as there should be, about these recent Athens teams being the best ever. I would like some real Old Timers, that means older than me, talk about the Athens squads that had Adams, Snyder, and Green. That's 3 guys on the same team that played pro football!!!!! I'd love to hear some comparisons
between then and now.

When I say 'class' - I'm throwing in their basketball skills too ... its the combination of both the football teams accomplishments - and the success on the hardwood ... heck, if Burrow would decide to play baseball - which I've been told he is great at - then you can add baseball as well.

[93Bulldog]

We of course need to let things play out - and enjoy the ride along the way - but when you have a class that led teams to a final 8 appearance (football) and to the sweet 16 (basketball) as sophomores ... they are probably well on their way to becoming one of the best classes ever.

And can we throw girls volleyball and girls basketball in their too? Cause that junior class isn't too shabby either.

Group it all together and they can make a very good case, Fortdawg.

[M0TIVAT0R]

The fact is if Fairland and Trimble played, not a peep would be said about enrollment or division ... its only because some people have a problem with Athens that it is even brought up.
Trimble just played Meigs ... a team THREE DIVISIONS bigger than it ... not a single post or word was said about it.

I have to disagree.

I think if Meigs would beat Trimble or if Fairland beat Trimble this season then I think people would have turned it from Meigs/Fairland beating a very talented Trimble squad to "Well of course they beat em! They're a bigger school!" and the sqwakboxing would begin.


Keep in mind, I don't feel like the enrollment card is a valid excuse here because Fairland is sitting at 202 boys, and the cutoff for being a D4 school is 213. By the time OHSAA looks at enrollment to change divisional alignments in 2015, Fairland should be well above the 213 mark. [judging by the size of the 6th, 7th, and 8th grade classes.]

If someone from Meigs comes on here and claims that their enrollment gives them no advantage over a smaller school then you might start to hear the squawks. Until then, no need to debate it. I figure they know being D4 means they have access to more boys than Trimble. That hasn't helped them so far the last two years though.

[A-Town Big Dog]

I tried my best not to comment on this but here we go. I could/would argue that some of the best athletes to ever compete at AHS never played a single down of football in their lives. As someone stated the smaller schools don't have soccer, JV soccer, JV golf, swimming, tennis, or big cross country teams, what wasn't mentioned however is that they don't have to compete with those sports for athletes either, which means that they for the most part get ALL of the true athletes on the football field every year. As someone else said 'its not rocket science", the more kids to choose from the better the odds of finding better athletes which is true but if you are going to use that argument then you have to take into account for the number of sports offered and number of athletes lost to those sports as well and that changes the equation considerably.

[dilligaf]

Numbers do matter but they dont decide everything no one in the tvc cared about number until athens started to win i say get over it.4 years from now when athens is on a down slide you will never here about the numbers only when you win do people look for ways to talk down a good football team.

goodluck to athens the rest of the year cant wait till they steamroll nelsonville