Truth Doesn't Have a Side

[Phoenix31]

Interesting discussion

Definitely a gray area. I wonder if these activities would be considered "abuse"

- poor diet consisting of pizza , soda, fast food,sugar ect
- forced religion . Should parents force religion on kids ? Shouldn't they be withheld from any all religious studies until they have the right to decide for themselves ?
-inactive lifestyle . Is it not abuse that kids are allowed to be lazy fat and inactive ?


I'm sure there are plenty of other issues but I would guess that with the risk of health issues that an obese inactive child would more grounds for abuse than even football.

I know youth football is the discussion at hand but where does it end ?

"Train up a child in the way he should go;
Even when he is old he will not depart from it."

Parents are charged with training their children - no matter what happens afterward.

In general, well-trained kids become principled adults!

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I cannot take credit for this.....it comes from Proverbs Chapter 22.

[Poo Bear]

Interesting discussion

Definitely a gray area. I wonder if these activities would be considered "abuse"

- poor diet consisting of pizza , soda, fast food,sugar ect
- forced religion . Should parents force religion on kids ? Shouldn't they be withheld from any all religious studies until they have the right to decide for themselves ?
-inactive lifestyle . Is it not abuse that kids are allowed to be lazy fat and inactive ?


I'm sure there are plenty of other issues but I would guess that with the risk of health issues that an obese inactive child would more grounds for abuse than even football.

I know youth football is the discussion at hand but where does it end ?

"Train up a child in the way he should go;
Even when he is old he will not depart from it."

Parents are charged with training their children - no matter what happens afterward.

In general, well-trained kids become principled adults!

........

I cannot take credit for this.....it comes from Proverbs Chapter 22.

Good job in quoting scripture to avoid my questions

[Chieftain2009]

Let me say this, I am all for making the game safer. It's clear that there are side effects of continuous blows to the head. I am actually a huge fan of the flag football until you turn 14 idea.

Here is my question, since you are pushing this book and this idea so hard, what exactly are you doing about it?

[Phoenix31]

Good job in quoting scripture to avoid my questions

I will pray that you are able to read beyond the quotation marks next time so that you may obtain knowledge.

[Poo Bear]

Ok then as a parent I see nothing wrong with youth football . Properly equipped and properly taught it's a great thing for youth everywhere . Because he is my son unto me , that's what I believe and it is up to each set of parents to make that decision for themselves . This convo can know officially end .

[Phoenix31]

Let me say this, I am all for making the game safer. It's clear that there are side effects of continuous blows to the head. I am actually a huge fan of the flag football until you turn 14 idea.

Here is my question, since you are pushing this book and this idea so hard, what exactly are you doing about it?

As I have said before, I have been in contact with many folks at the Concussion Legacy Foundation concerning the devastating correlation between playing football for 10+ years and having some sort of a TBI (traumatic brain injury)....whether it is CTE, dementia, ALS, etc...

I would love to see some sort of clearing mechanism in the brain to rid it of the destructive tau protein clumps that give life to CTE. Here is an example.

https://melmagazine.com/this-doctor-thi ... e736caa05d

Will it work? Who knows? But, we will never know until we.....all of us....take our collective heads out of the sand and demand that research be funded to find a workable treatment for those who currently suffer everyday with this delibitating disease.

[Phoenix31]

Ok then as a parent I see nothing wrong with youth football . Properly equipped and properly taught it's a great thing for youth everywhere . Because he is my son unto me , that's what I believe and it is up to each set of parents to make that decision for themselves . This convo can know officially end .

Do you know anybody with any type of TBI (traumatic brain injury) through playing any sport?

[Poo Bear]

Nope

[Phoenix31]

Nope

Please take a look at this webpage.

The stats will astound you...

https://concussionfoundation.org

[Phoenix31]

....particularly this area....

https://concussionfoundation.org/CTE-resources

[Phoenix31]

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/5 ... ger-of-con

"The fundamental issue is not concussions but repeated blows to the head - with or without concussions, with or without helmets. We must mitigate the exposure of our children's brains to all types of blows to the head."

Dr. Bennet Omalu from Truth Doesn't Have A Side

[Abe Froman]

Nice try but that is a civil lawsuit brought against an organization by the mothers.

Entirely different than a criminal matter brought by a DA against the child's parent or the school for child abuse. As I said no DA is going to bring such a prosecution for child abuse for athletic participation in a High School sport.

Just showing what was out there.

This is beyond the level of a DA.

I could see a state's Attorney General taking care of this in the future similar to the smoking lawsuits.

Nope, no state AG is going to take up any class action lawsuits for child abuse against HS players parents.

Like I said on the first page: No peewee football tackle/contact; better technology; enforcement of the rules that exist; teaching of new tackling techniques; limited contact in HS practices are some of the things you can do, and should do. But no DA or state AG is gonna file criminal charges against a parent or guardian and HS sports. Get over that silliness.

As far as do I know of any HS sports players that have TBI, no I do not. However I know of one that has it from a bicycle accident, a relative's son that has it from falling out of tree stand in KY and you can watch the news and see multiple teen car accidents that cause it everyday.

Hey is the DA or AG gonna file charges for abusive parents that allow their kid to ride a bike to the library, or how about the Dad that let his kid in a treestand, or hey, we not allowing 16-year olds behind the wheel now also? Is driving child abuse? Guarantees there are more TBI's from car accidents every year than HS football.

Like I said earlier participation will continue to decline unless corrective measures are undertaken given the amount of information that is currently available. But stop conflating parents that allow their son to play football with the child abuse.

[Phoenix31]

Nope, no state AG is going to take up any class action lawsuits for child abuse against HS players parents.

Like I said on the first page: No peewee football tackle/contact; better technology; enforcement of the rules that exist; teaching of new tackling techniques; limited contact in HS practices are some of the things you can do, and should do. But no DA or state AG is gonna file criminal charges against a parent or guardian and HS sports. Get over that silliness.

As far as do I know of any HS sports players that have TBI, no I do not. However I know of one that has it from a bicycle accident, a relative's son that has it from falling out of tree stand in KY and you can watch the news and see multiple teen car accidents that cause it everyday.

Hey is the DA or AG gonna file charges for abusive parents that allow their kid to ride a bike to the library, or how about the Dad that let his kid in a treestand, or hey, we not allowing 16-year olds behind the wheel now also? Is driving child abuse? Guarantees there are more TBI's from car accidents every year than HS football.

Like I said earlier participation will continue to decline unless corrective measures are undertaken given the amount of information that is currently available. But stop conflating parents that allow their son to play football with the child abuse.

Confuse is a much more appropriate word than conflate; however, if you want to appear more intelligent to win some type of an argument......then congratulations. You win.

Lawsuits will happen. They happened with smoking. They will happen with football. Who knows where the "gold standard of lawsuits" against football will occur?

The truth is that repetitive blows happen to every football player no matter how safe we make the game through equipment, technology, and/or improved tackling techniques.

[Proud_Pirate63]

Nope, no state AG is going to take up any class action lawsuits for child abuse against HS players parents.

Like I said on the first page: No peewee football tackle/contact; better technology; enforcement of the rules that exist; teaching of new tackling techniques; limited contact in HS practices are some of the things you can do, and should do. But no DA or state AG is gonna file criminal charges against a parent or guardian and HS sports. Get over that silliness.

As far as do I know of any HS sports players that have TBI, no I do not. However I know of one that has it from a bicycle accident, a relative's son that has it from falling out of tree stand in KY and you can watch the news and see multiple teen car accidents that cause it everyday.

Hey is the DA or AG gonna file charges for abusive parents that allow their kid to ride a bike to the library, or how about the Dad that let his kid in a treestand, or hey, we not allowing 16-year olds behind the wheel now also? Is driving child abuse? Guarantees there are more TBI's from car accidents every year than HS football.

Like I said earlier participation will continue to decline unless corrective measures are undertaken given the amount of information that is currently available. But stop conflating parents that allow their son to play football with the child abuse.

Confuse is a much more appropriate word than conflate; however, if you want to appear more intelligent to win some type of an argument......then congratulations. You win.

Lawsuits will happen. They happened with smoking. They will happen with football. Who knows where the "gold standard of lawsuits" against football will occur?

The truth is that repetitive blows happen to every football player no matter how safe we make the game through equipment, technology, and/or improved tackling techniques.

Lawsuits happened with smoking due to the tobacco companies lying and their shady practices.

[Phoenix31]

Lawsuits happened with smoking due to the tobacco companies lying and their shady practices.

......and the NFL and NCAA are such angels...

[Phoenix31]

The burying of facts about brain related injuries has shown that the NFL and the NCAA performed similar acts to those taken by the tobacco industry...

[Proud_Pirate63]

Lawsuits happened with smoking due to the tobacco companies lying and their shady practices.

......and the NFL and NCAA are such angels...

Never said that. Only addressing the lawsuits with smoking.

[Proud_Pirate63]

Lawsuits happened with smoking due to the tobacco companies lying and their shady practices.

......and the NFL and NCAA are such angels...

Never said that. Only addressing the lawsuits with smoking.

Good luck with spreading your cheer and info. I’ll be over here with my head in the sand.

[Phoenix31]

Lawsuits happened with smoking due to the tobacco companies lying and their shady practices.

......and the NFL and NCAA are such angels...

Never said that. Only addressing the lawsuits with smoking.

...which are similar to the direction that lawsuits against the NFL and NCAA are headed.

[Phoenix31]

Good luck with spreading your cheer and info. I’ll be over here with my head in the sand.

If the Son of God had his own disciples as doubters, then I have nothing to complain about.