Fairland Football Coach ?

[the pooper]

im sure same becoming ineligible the last couple games of the season do to his grades could be a reason he didn't get the attention you thought he deserves. im sure that would make a lot of folks shy away. anyway, to say the only ones that are noticed are freaks of nature is ludicrous. if you are good enough, they will find you. and you obviously do not know roger snyder to say the things about him you say.

[the pooper]

not trying to knock sam in the post, but im sure his grades affected his recruitment.

[bucking red]

Pooper what do you think of the letters that were not giving to the kid in a timely manner?

[RationalVoice]

Pooper,
Please think before you post. I didn't say bad grades were not a factor. I said that Joliet did not find him, he and the ex-coach "found" Joliet due to the efforts of the coach. And you have no idea what you are talking about when you say they will find you if you're good enough. How are the colleges supposed to see these kids if you don't attend combines or send them DVDs ? At the very least, one can say that the efforts of a hard-working coach can greatly enhance the odds of getting a shot at college ball. And history has shown that the newly appointed coach cares little about helping the kids in this fashion.
If it were true that they would "find you if you are good enough", how do you explain all the very talented kids who have to walk on at these big-time schools, perhaps later earning a scholarship. Or how about the guys in the NFL who came from small colleges ? Apparently, those big-time schools didn't "find" these kids.
Please think before you post.

[getagrip]

Pooper,
Please think before you post.

Pooper is one of the most rational voices on this board.

As for recruitment, sometimes the colleges find the talented kids, and sometimes it does require some extra work to get noticed. Tom Brady had to send video to several colleges. Mostly, I think that work has to come from the kids. The coach should help whenever possible and go the extra effort for kids (if they're good enough for the next level) who are really trying hard to get the attention of college coaches.

But I think it's expecting way too much of a coach to drive players to campuses across the country. Whether he does or doesn't go to such lengths shouldn't be a consideration. It's more important for the coach to get the most out of kids who are good, but not necessarily for the college level. The kids who play at the next level are the exception, not the rule.

The stuff being written about Sam is kind of funny. Where did he go after Joliet? I'm guessing it was nowhere - and please don't count the semipro team as going somewhere.

As for Snyder and the letters, can someone get me up to date on what exactly happened. Who were the letters from? Who were they for? How long did he hold them?

Based on my high school days, letters are nothing to get too excited about. Colleges send them out left and right to underclassmen who are decent players. That doesn't mean they're recruiting you.

[BlindWhiteHat]

not trying to knock sam in the post, but im sure his grades affected his recruitment.

It sure sounds like you are knocking him. Real classy.

[RationalVoice]

"Pooper is one of the most rational voices on this board." I disagree. He is the most biased voice on this board & is wrong on the facts whenever he posts.

"The coach should help whenever possible and go the extra effort for kids..." I agree - which should cause concern for anyone who plans on playing for the present staff.

"But I think it's expecting way too much of a coach to drive players to campuses across the country." I agree. But, they should be sending DVDs, etc. everywhere they can.

"The stuff being written about Sam is kind of funny. Where did he go after Joliet? I'm guessing it was nowhere - and please don't count the semipro team as going somewhere." Unfortunately, I see your point and agree. But, the point here is that he got an opportunity that he wouldn't get under the present staff.

"Based on my high school days, letters are nothing to get too excited about." It depends. Is it just a questionaire or is it an exclusive invitation to an event (camp, combine, spring game) at that school ? And you don't know this unless you read the letters. And you can't do this if the coach doesn't give you those letters.

[sportsnut mom]

If my memory serves me right, several of the kids Earp mentioned did not do much with their scholarships. I agree it is up to the athlete how hard he wants to work, but he has to have the means to do it. I give credit to the track and cross country coaches because they try to get the MOST out of a kid if he is willing to work. As for the coaches sending dvds and such, Ironton has a cameraman at every ballgame-a professional- which tells me that they do have the athlete's best interest there. Dragonfan5-it doesn't sound like you think much of the OVC competition.

[earp]

Yes you are right about that,I know Dean had a good career at UK and played pre-season with the Packers and Browns and made it to the final cut with both teams as a long snapper.Carrie Hinkle was obviously very successful at Marshall since she was Southern Conference player of the year in 1996.And Melissa Topping and Tara Lee both had good track careers,Tara at Marshall-MAC 100 meter hurdle champion and Melissa at Ohio Univ.-MAC 200 meter champion.And of course you know about Micheal Hill who I forgot to mention in my other post "He is probably going to kill me!"He has ended up having a pretty good career after transfering from East Carolina to Univ.of Cincy.So there have been some success.I think not too bad for a small school from Southern Ohio.Some schools never have that much success.I know there was alot of talk about Sam Huff on here,Well he was on radar at Univ. of Kentucky as early as 10th grade but like it was said before his grades were just always such an issue and that really turns alot of recruiters in another direction,Unfortunate for him.

[getagrip]

I know there was alot of talk about Sam Huff on here,Well he was on radar at Univ. of Kentucky as early as 10th grade but like it was said before his grades were just always such an issue and that really turns alot of recruiters in another direction,Unfortunate for him.

Especially if you're on the edge of being a Div 1 player. If you have all-world talent, then it's not as much of a problem. The better you are, the more willing schools are to take a chance and work with you to get the grades. But there are lots of high school kids as good as Sammy who have the grades. He was a good player, but nonetheless easy to cross off the recruiting list.

[earp]

My bad on Tara Lee there it was 60 meter hurdles not 100.I actually talk to Tara once in a while on myspace she might kill me too if I posted her winning the wrong event

http://herdzone.cstv.com/sports/w-track ... 00aaa.html

[fhsfan]

Honestly, I do not think Sam Huff had any serious looks from Kentucky. If he did, once they saw his grades and size, I am sure they went looking somewhere else. People in this area just do not understand the type of size and speed are necessary to play Division I sports let alone SEC football.

[earp]

Well FHSFan,He was close on the speed but the grades were probably the clincher!Its too bad too because Sammy is a good kid!

[dragonsfan24]

I would like to point out that even kids from "big bad Ironton" get overlooked when it comes to college recruits. I would also like to point out that there are just as many successful athletes that came from Fairland as just about any other school in the area, but some of them decided for one reason or another not to play sports in college.

to the athletes and parents of athletes reading this, I hate to drop the bombshell, but playing the transfer game is like playing Russian Roulette, except there are more bullets in the chamber. there are a variety of things that can go wrong and the factor that there are already people that are good there, that's why the team has the reputation. and I hate to be a bummer, but its gonna suck when you transfer away and then don't get as much playing time because you're getting rotated with more kids, so instead of being a standout player on a team, you're just another one of the players.

however, if you really feel that you are/your kid is being held down/back by being at Fairland, then well, good luck to ya, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
that may sound "cold" or "mean spirited" to some of you, but its the way I was taught. when you're in the circle, you're family, but when you leave the circle you are a traitor and will be treated as such.

[bgmonster]

Since only one kid appears to have transferred I'll assume you're talking about Lamb. Time will tell whether he blends in or stands out but either way, his decision is none of your business. From what I hear, he's gotten nothing but a show of support from the community (including teachers and coaches) about his decision to transfer. I suggest you limit your "traitor" remarks to annonymous posts.

[sportsnut mom]

I would be ashamed to call myself a "fan"-24. Lamb will be a standout anywhere he plays. The comment about a family and the circle was broken when the football staff and the basketball coach left. Anyone that would not want a person to do the best they can is being selfish. I hope that you are fortunate to find a job that you could stay at until you retire-good luck on that.

[Mouth's Better Half]

Wow, when you leave the circle you are a traitor. The only family Lamb should care about is his own and it's their business where he goes. I hope he does well at Ironton or where ever he ends up.

[dragonsfan24]

perhaps "traitor" wasn't the best word to use, but the point I was after is the same.

the point I was trying to make is that when someone plays for a team I cheer for, I support them. when that person leaves for whatever reason to join another team, I hold no ill will, I wish them luck, but they are now playing for an opponent. off the field, sure I still hope they thrive and do well, when they play other teams, I wish the same for them, but when it comes time to play my team, I hope they have a terrible night of it, and then after the game, I again wish nothing but the best for them. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but that is my competitive nature.

I was not referring to anyone specific bgmonster, I wasn't concerned with who was going where, and honestly, still don't. the fact that anyone, no matter who they are or what they are doing would put the time and dedication in working for something then all of a sudden pack up and leave confounds me a little.

sportsnut mom, I am indeed a fan. I am a fan of a team, not a player, not a coach, I am a fan of a program. its that simple. if I was a personal fan of someone my screen name would read something like 'insert player or coaches namefan', but it doesn't, it reads 'dragonsfan' mean I support any team, person or otherwise that plays or competes under the 'dragons' name. plain and simple, if you have issue with that, well sorry, I hope you can at least try to see past your 'mom blinders' (every mother wears them, even my own) and realize Im not this evil person you are making me out to be.

MBH - growing up I was taught that your team is your family. you work together toward a common goal. I still hold that value to be true in my life.

since it is obvious you all seem to think I have some evil vendetta against someone, I will publicly state that I wish Lamb and his family nothing but success in sports and in life no matter where he goes, for no reason more than because at one point we went to the same school. I have no vendetta against anyone, at all, period.

[bucking red]

Mike will be missed at FHS no doubt about that . I wish him good luck and hope he has a good year for the tigers except when he plays us.

[earp]

Ditto for me Red!I wish no ill will on any kid!I hope he does really well there,Well except when the Dragons play them! I know that you do love the fact that he transferred to Ironton though dont you?