Week 5: Jackson (2-2) @ Wheelersburg (3-1)

[SPAMONY]

Man ole Man....

Jackson loses two games against a couple of very good teams and now all of sudden people are saying Burg by multiple scores. I don't think people realize just how good Granville is. They have thumped their other 3 opponents and only Jackson was able to give them a game. Athens has one of the top offenses in this part of the state and it took a late score to beat Jackson.

I have not seen Jackson. I have only seen the Burg against Ironton. Wheelersburg is a very good football team. I love the way they play and they have some very nice athletes. I just don't like that so many people are using the "they played Ironton tough" argument for how good the Pirates are. The Burg was in the Ironton game all the way but they scored very late to make it a one possession game. The Pirates battled and battled in that game but as an unbiased observer at that game, I never felt that Ironton was ever in trouble of losing. The following week, the Burg had a similar game against Coal Grove where it was close but it never seemed as though the Pirates were going to lose. I have seen Coal Grove and they are a slightly above average team. I guess the whole point I am trying to make is that I don't think Wheelersburg (or any other SOC team for that matter) has any benchmark win where I would make them a 2 touchdown favorite over Jackson.

Having blabbed all that out, Wheelersburg is more than capable of winning this game and they very well may win it by 2 td's. However, as good as I think the Pirates are (and I do think they are pretty good), this is a huge step up in competition for the Burg while I think it is a step down for Jackson. I think the type of offenses Jackson has seen the last two weeks are a big advantage for the Ironmen. At the end of the day I will take a playoff caliber DIII team over a playoff caliber DV team.

Jackson 28
Burg 21

This is the first time your name has been associated with the term "UNBIASED OBSERVER"
Wow thanks for the chuckle...... I do agree that We need to play very very well to win

[Crab's Brother]

Man ole Man....

Jackson loses two games against a couple of very good teams and now all of sudden people are saying Burg by multiple scores. I don't think people realize just how good Granville is. They have thumped their other 3 opponents and only Jackson was able to give them a game. Athens has one of the top offenses in this part of the state and it took a late score to beat Jackson.

I have not seen Jackson. I have only seen the Burg against Ironton. Wheelersburg is a very good football team. I love the way they play and they have some very nice athletes. I just don't like that so many people are using the "they played Ironton tough" argument for how good the Pirates are. The Burg was in the Ironton game all the way but they scored very late to make it a one possession game. The Pirates battled and battled in that game but as an unbiased observer at that game, I never felt that Ironton was ever in trouble of losing. The following week, the Burg had a similar game against Coal Grove where it was close but it never seemed as though the Pirates were going to lose. I have seen Coal Grove and they are a slightly above average team. I guess the whole point I am trying to make is that I don't think Wheelersburg (or any other SOC team for that matter) has any benchmark win where I would make them a 2 touchdown favorite over Jackson.

Having blabbed all that out, Wheelersburg is more than capable of winning this game and they very well may win it by 2 td's. However, as good as I think the Pirates are (and I do think they are pretty good), this is a huge step up in competition for the Burg while I think it is a step down for Jackson. I think the type of offenses Jackson has seen the last two weeks are a big advantage for the Ironmen. At the end of the day I will take a playoff caliber DIII team over a playoff caliber DV team.

Jackson 28
Burg 21

This is the first time your name has been associated with the term "UNBIASED OBSERVER"
Wow thanks for the chuckle...... I do agree that We need to play very very well to win

I know its hard for you to comprehend, but I can go to a game and watch it and form an opinion of the teams I am watching. Thanks for the chuckle.

[fbnut]

Man ole Man....

Jackson loses two games against a couple of very good teams and now all of sudden people are saying Burg by multiple scores. I don't think people realize just how good Granville is. They have thumped their other 3 opponents and only Jackson was able to give them a game. Athens has one of the top offenses in this part of the state and it took a late score to beat Jackson.

I have not seen Jackson. I have only seen the Burg against Ironton. Wheelersburg is a very good football team. I love the way they play and they have some very nice athletes. I just don't like that so many people are using the "they played Ironton tough" argument for how good the Pirates are. The Burg was in the Ironton game all the way but they scored very late to make it a one possession game. The Pirates battled and battled in that game but as an unbiased observer at that game, I never felt that Ironton was ever in trouble of losing. The following week, the Burg had a similar game against Coal Grove where it was close but it never seemed as though the Pirates were going to lose. I have seen Coal Grove and they are a slightly above average team. I guess the whole point I am trying to make is that I don't think Wheelersburg (or any other SOC team for that matter) has any benchmark win where I would make them a 2 touchdown favorite over
Jackson.

Having blabbed all that out, Wheelersburg is more than capable of winning this game and they very well may win it by 2 td's. However, as good as I think the Pirates are (and I do think they are pretty good), this is a huge step up in competition for the Burg while I think it is a step down for Jackson. I think the type of offenses Jackson has seen the last two weeks are a big advantage for the Ironmen. At the end of the day I will take a playoff caliber DIII team over a playoff caliber DV team.
Jackson 28
Burg 21

So you can't use "wheelersburgs loss against ironton" to judge how good they might or might not be but you can use "jacksons 2 losses to judge how good they might be" interesting how that works. Which one of jacksons wins do you think is their signature win the win over the 1-3 wellston team or the win over the 1-3 waverly squad? With that being said the Halls will want this game bad and they will have jackson ready to play, this will be a close game that could go either way.

[green&yellow]

I couldn't agree more with "fbnut" last post. IMO this is do or die for the sake of Jackson's football season, now is the time to fix the problems you've encountered the past two weeks, players and coaching decisions, and come out with some anger for pete sake. Im still waiting to see some excitement and passion out of this team. I think the players will be more than prepared and hopefully have some fuel for their fire. Hate to say but Burg might be in the path of an angry Jackson team looking for some revenge of those two losses. That being said, I believe Jackson comes out big in this one. Best of luck to both teams, and hope its an injury free game for all.

[4thgoal]

Will Kearns be taking over at QB this week for Jackson?

[green&yellow]

Have heard that may be a possibilty, still waiting to see what the final say on Rafferty's injury is.

[4thgoal]

Have heard that may be a possibilty, still waiting to see what the final say on Rafferty's injury is.

And Landrum is out?

[green&yellow]

Heard Landrum was out for 2 weeks with a serious concussion

[dreamweaver]

If Jackson at full strength, they win. If not, better game but they still win.

[Piratefan2]

BURG by just a few imo. Im sure we will be ready and not thinking this will be an easy game cause jackson is a very tough team, especially when their DIII is against a DV team!

[wink]

I'm thinking Wheelersburg has bit off more than it can chew in this one. Even though Wheelersburg always seemed to give Jackson sonme tough battles during scrimmages, jackson always seemed to manage to win the war at the end of the day.
Being a much bigger school we would give Wheelersburg major computer pouints if they should win but heres another thought for them to ponder......

DROP IRONTON FROM THE SCHEDULE and pick up Ashland. They would win probably more often than they do against Ironton and a win over Ashland gives an Ohio team MAJOR computer points..... much more tha a rare win over Ironton gives them....with the way they figure the computer points just look at the points Ironton gets over the course of the year with a win over Ashland, a DII school. Ashland, being no more competition and probably not as much as Ironton is year in and year out would figure to be a much better pick for wheelersburgs schedule than Ironton.
Just look at the big leap Ironton just made from last week with the win over Ashland.... from about 3rd or 4th place to a COMMANDIND lead over St. Clairesville who also won but is now in second place and by a full 2 points....
Just a thought..

[Ironman92]

On concussions don't they have to pass a series of tests with a certain number of days between each...with not passing any test putting you back a few more days?

Could be more than 2 weeks.

[ironman02]

I always try to keep injury information off the forum, but it looks like that didn't happen today.

Sounds like the Ironmen could be even more short-handed than I thought against Wheelersburg. That's part of the game though. Gotta play with what you have. Time for some other guys to step up.

[ironman02]

BURG by just a few imo. Im sure we will be ready and not thinking this will be an easy game cause jackson is a very tough team, especially when their DIII is against a DV team!

When the Ironmen and Pirates scrimmage, more often than not, it's very competitive. That's because Wheelersburg and Jackson have two of the best football programs in SE Ohio. Despite the difference in school size, I'm glad that this game is back on the schedule. These two programs are usually very good, it provides good competition and preparation for the rest of the schedule, and it's probably going to be a huge gain in computer points for the winning school. Looking forward to not only this year's game, but to future games as well.

[smack]

i have seen both teams play and i have to say it seamed like jackson was down in talent this year.and burg seamed very good.but i can't believe jackson fans are blaming the coachs they have the best coaching staff in southern ohio second only to the burg.now with landrum hurt i have to say burg by alot.

[dreamweaver]

Your opinion!

[Ironmen44]

Sounds like with Jackson's injury report, hope the Burg takes it easy on the boys.

[Ironman92]

I look for Griffiths and Williams to have big games.

[4thgoal]

Sounds like with Jackson's injury report, hope the Burg takes it easy on the boys.

That's one of the advantages Jackson has being a larger school. They probably dress twice as many kids as Burg and they are likely quite a bit deeper in every position. If Burg has 2-3 starters out with injuries it's a huge deal.....probably not as severe a hit with a school of double our size.

[ironman02]

Being a bigger school does have advantages with regard to depth. At the same time, though, your best players are your best players. It's nice to have them. A different guy might step in and be serviceable, but it's hard to replace the talent or leadership of some players.

Like I said before though, injuries are a part of the game. You have to play with what you have. Whatever lineup Jackson puts on the field, they'll do their best to get the win. Desperation mode this week for the Ironmen...gotta win.