SVC Changes

[greygoose]

If I am Unioto or the SVC, I personally would stay far far FAR away from the FAC, that conference is a bit of a mess.

Here are some reasons why I think the FAC is a mess at this time:
-Greenfield McClain struggles to compete in almost every sport in the FAC, they are the smallest school by at least 100 kids, and they aren't a growing district either. The SBAAC National with East Clinton, Bethel-Tate, Blanchester, Williamsburg and Clermont Northeastern have a spot open, and Greenfield would be an outstanding competitive fit in that conference, and I hope they make the move.

-All the potential FAC expansion targets are over an hour away from Hillsboro, and in the current FAC they already have two 50 minute+ drives. So if they expand to 8, that will be four 50+ minute drives, and I don't see Hillsboro wanting that. They could just follow Greenfield to the SBAAC and join their big school division, in which they would only have one drive over 50 minutes, and they would be playing similar competition. I have also seen Washington Court House rumors about wanting out, and they could fit in the SBAAC as well, but travel does exist..

-Miami Trace is a school that is growing fast, and they will more than likely outgrow the FAC, and look for a new home in 10-15 years.

Needless to say, the SVC is fine where it is currently at. The FAC will have its own problems to figure out soon.

Correct this has been my issue with FAC the entire time, both Greenfield and Hillsboro are better off elsewhere and they’d like to be. Only belief I had with FAC is if they could pull teams and it’s widely known FAC has been reaching out trying to pull teams on with no success. Does Unioto need to leave the SVC, not necessarily my belief lies in the fact the SVC should expand and grab bigger some bigger schools to provide balance and split things up.

[Ironman92]

This site is dead except for Ironton football and when anyone starts a thread on a league changing.

Unioto is going nowhere and the FAC is in year 8. McClain isn’t going to the SBAAC or leaving the SE District. Hillsboro dislikes the league the most and has the entire time. If anyone ever leaves, it’s them to the SBAAC.

I’ll wager there will be 20 more of these threads before that would ever happen.

[HERO]

Waverly should join the SVC, but will probably never leave the SOC.

[greygoose]

Waverly should join the SVC, but will probably never leave the SOC.

Waverly is interested and has been interested in joining the SVC, but the landscape would obviously have to change. Something like this if you could pull it off obviously you can see let's add this team or this team is a better fit. This leaves 5 open weeks to find, crossover games are encouraged and could possibly look at requiring 1 for week 4.

SVC 1-
Huntington
Adena
Southeastern
Westfall
Paint Valley
Piketon

SVC 2-
Zane Trace
Unioto
Greenfield McClain
Waverly
Logan Elm
Circleville

[fball43]

This site is dead except for Ironton football and when anyone starts a thread on a league changing.

Unioto is going nowhere and the FAC is in year 8. McClain isn’t going to the SBAAC or leaving the SE District. Hillsboro dislikes the league the most and has the entire time. If anyone ever leaves, it’s them to the SBAAC.

I’ll wager there will be 20 more of these threads before that would ever happen.

I don't see any reason for McClain to stay in the FAC besides travel and long standing relationships.. They are not competitive in anything in the conference, they are essentially a punching bag.. at least in the SCOL they had East Clinton who they could compete with. I can agree that the SVC would be better over the SBAAC for them, but overall McClain needs to find a way to either the SVC or SBAAC Small school they are both by far better competitive fits then the current FAC, but this is just my opinion. I want to see the Tigers actually be competitive.

Hillsboro to the SBAAC makes a ton of sense. Better travel, for similar competition. Instead of driving 1 hr+ to get a yearly beat down by Jackson, they can just take the 30 minute trip to Clarksville instead! Moreover, they would only have 1 trip over 50 minutes in the SBAAC. London or Waverly would be good candidates to replace them.

Overall, the FAC as a conference no longer makes much sense. The FAC was formed because the 5 SCOL schools wanted to get away from Clinton-Massie football and Wilmington Basketball dominance, moreover, Chillicothe wanted to be a big fish in their own small pond... well..

1. Wilmington basketball has came back down to earth and they are a below average team these days.
2. Massie is still dominant in football, but with all the financial troubles at that district, and them being a shrinking school district, they realistically will be coming back down to earth in football
3. Miami Trace is going to be a bigger school then Chillicothe very very soon.

I would bet $$$ that Miami Trace, Washington Court House, Hillsboro and Greenfield McClain all regret leaving the SCOL. The FAC is essentially recreating the SCOL problem except its Jackson who's the dominant one now, and instead of traveling 30-45 mins to Clarksville to get their annual beatdown, they instead all have to travel 1 hr+ to Jackson to get an equally as bad beatdown...

I would bet my life savings that the ONLY thing keeping Washington Court House, Miami Trace, Hillsboro and Greenfield McClain in the FAC is that those 4 schools all have a great relationship with each other, and they probably don't want to break up yet.

[fball43]

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[fball43]

If I am Unioto or the SVC, I personally would stay far far FAR away from the FAC, that conference is a bit of a mess.

Here are some reasons why I think the FAC is a mess at this time:
-Greenfield McClain struggles to compete in almost every sport in the FAC, they are the smallest school by at least 100 kids, and they aren't a growing district either. The SBAAC National with East Clinton, Bethel-Tate, Blanchester, Williamsburg and Clermont Northeastern have a spot open, and Greenfield would be an outstanding competitive fit in that conference, and I hope they make the move.

-All the potential FAC expansion targets are over an hour away from Hillsboro, and in the current FAC they already have two 50 minute+ drives. So if they expand to 8, that will be four 50+ minute drives, and I don't see Hillsboro wanting that. They could just follow Greenfield to the SBAAC and join their big school division, in which they would only have one drive over 50 minutes, and they would be playing similar competition. I have also seen Washington Court House rumors about wanting out, and they could fit in the SBAAC as well, but travel does exist..

-Miami Trace is a school that is growing fast, and they will more than likely outgrow the FAC, and look for a new home in 10-15 years.

Needless to say, the SVC is fine where it is currently at. The FAC will have its own problems to figure out soon.

Correct this has been my issue with FAC the entire time, both Greenfield and Hillsboro are better off elsewhere and they’d like to be. Only belief I had with FAC is if they could pull teams and it’s widely known FAC has been reaching out trying to pull teams on with no success. Does Unioto need to leave the SVC, not necessarily my belief lies in the fact the SVC should expand and grab bigger some bigger schools to provide balance and split things up.

SVC 1-
Huntington
Adena
Southeastern
Westfall
Paint Valley
Piketon
Eastern Pike
McDermont Northwest

SVC 2-
Zane Trace
Unioto
Greenfield McClain
Waverly
Logan Elm
Circleville
Amanda-Clearcreek
Washington CH

I really like this idea. I overall think its well balanced from a competitive stand point! However, I would add a few more teams. Washington CH and Amanda-Clearcreek would round out that SVC 2 nicely at 8 teams. Washington CH is much like Greenfield McClain as they struggle to compete in the FAC in most sports and I've heard rumors they want out of the FAC. Overall, they would blend in well with everyone in that league. A-C, Logan Elm and Circleville could very well be a package deal, and A-C would be a good competitive fit with those schools. In the SVC 1 Eastern Pike and Northwest would be good adds. Then the SOC can be one big 10 team league.

Although I said the SVC is fine with where they are at, if they do expand this should be the direction they try to go. Get teams that can compete with each other. Chillicothe, Miami Trace and Jackson need no part in the SVC, they need to play teams that are their caliber. Chillicothe and Miami Trace are both borderline D2 schools, and Jackson is pretty competitive at a lot of sports. Those three schools need to apply to the OCC and get a small school division going.

Something like:

Chillicothe
Jackson
Lancaster
Logan
Miami Trace
Teays Valley
Hamilton Twp*
Bloom-Carroll*
*if the MSL buckeye does implode*

Eventually Hilliard, Dublin, Pickerington or one of the other Columbus suburbs will open up another high school. They can fill the 6th spot that would be left in the OCC division that Teays Valley, Logan and Lancaster came from.

[Bozo]

Waverly should join the SVC, but will probably never leave the SOC.

Waverly is interested and has been interested in joining the SVC, but the landscape would obviously have to change. Something like this if you could pull it off obviously you can see let's add this team or this team is a better fit. This leaves 5 open weeks to find, crossover games are encouraged and could possibly look at requiring 1 for week 4.

SVC 1-
Huntington
Adena
Southeastern
Westfall
Paint Valley
Piketon

SVC 2-
Zane Trace
Unioto
Greenfield McClain
Waverly
Logan Elm
Circleville

This will never happen. Also, Westfall and Piketon are larger than Zane Trace. ZT has a couple classes coming through the next few years that will even make them even smaller. Possibly D6 in major sports.

[fball43]

If I am Unioto or the SVC, I personally would stay far far FAR away from the FAC, that conference is a bit of a mess.

Here are some reasons why I think the FAC is a mess at this time:
-Greenfield McClain struggles to compete in almost every sport in the FAC, they are the smallest school by at least 100 kids, and they aren't a growing district either. The SBAAC National with East Clinton, Bethel-Tate, Blanchester, Williamsburg and Clermont Northeastern have a spot open, and Greenfield would be an outstanding competitive fit in that conference, and I hope they make the move.

-All the potential FAC expansion targets are over an hour away from Hillsboro, and in the current FAC they already have two 50 minute+ drives. So if they expand to 8, that will be four 50+ minute drives, and I don't see Hillsboro wanting that. They could just follow Greenfield to the SBAAC and join their big school division, in which they would only have one drive over 50 minutes, and they would be playing similar competition. I have also seen Washington Court House rumors about wanting out, and they could fit in the SBAAC as well, but travel does exist..

-Miami Trace is a school that is growing fast, and they will more than likely outgrow the FAC, and look for a new home in 10-15 years.

Needless to say, the SVC is fine where it is currently at. The FAC will have its own problems to figure out soon.

Overall, you nailed my thinking on the lack of a move by Unioto to the FAC. There’s no real stability there, where the only change in the SVC since the mid-70’s was Bishop Flaget closing in 1986.

It’s easy to say that Unioto needs to leave, I’ve said it too, but I’ve also stated that it has to make sense on where they end up. Leaving to go somewhere that unstable will likely lead to needing to find another home shortly after and that would be a headache.

I agree with you. SVC is extremely stable and a very solid conference. The FAC is essentially a rebranded SCOL (3rd iteration). Which is a conference that has been disbanded twice already.. not much stability at all there!

[fball43]

Waverly should join the SVC, but will probably never leave the SOC.

Waverly is interested and has been interested in joining the SVC, but the landscape would obviously have to change. Something like this if you could pull it off obviously you can see let's add this team or this team is a better fit. This leaves 5 open weeks to find, crossover games are encouraged and could possibly look at requiring 1 for week 4.

SVC 1-
Huntington
Adena
Southeastern
Westfall
Paint Valley
Piketon

SVC 2-
Zane Trace
Unioto
Greenfield McClain
Waverly
Logan Elm
Circleville

This will never happen. Also, Westfall and Piketon are larger than Zane Trace. ZT has a couple classes coming through the next few years that will even make them even smaller. Possibly D6 in major sports.

Greenfield, Logan Elm and Circleville would be good SVC fits. They are larger than the typical SVC schools, but they aren't overly competitive in any sports. If the MSL were to collapse and you gave Circleville and Logan Elm the choice between the FAC and the SVC, the SVC is by far the better choice. Chillicothe, Miami Trace and Jackson would destroy Circleville and Logan Elm in most sports, and that's probably why they have already turned the FAC down.

[greygoose]

Waverly should join the SVC, but will probably never leave the SOC.

Waverly is interested and has been interested in joining the SVC, but the landscape would obviously have to change. Something like this if you could pull it off obviously you can see let's add this team or this team is a better fit. This leaves 5 open weeks to find, crossover games are encouraged and could possibly look at requiring 1 for week 4.

SVC 1-
Huntington
Adena
Southeastern
Westfall
Paint Valley
Piketon

SVC 2-
Zane Trace
Unioto
Greenfield McClain
Waverly
Logan Elm
Circleville

This will never happen. Also, Westfall and Piketon are larger than Zane Trace. ZT has a couple classes coming through the next few years that will even make them even smaller. Possibly D6 in major sports.

Oh heck no it would never happen but that’s the only solution for Unioto where both Unioto and all SVC teams benefit. It wasn’t necessarily size based rather than performance. Piketon was only school I questioned putting in 2. ZT already plays and competes well with Logan Elm and Waverly both. Westfall even with the size simply isn’t competing, which as I said was performance based.

[go court house]

If I am Unioto or the SVC, I personally would stay far far FAR away from the FAC, that conference is a bit of a mess.

Here are some reasons why I think the FAC is a mess at this time:
-Greenfield McClain struggles to compete in almost every sport in the FAC, they are the smallest school by at least 100 kids, and they aren't a growing district either. The SBAAC National with East Clinton, Bethel-Tate, Blanchester, Williamsburg and Clermont Northeastern have a spot open, and Greenfield would be an outstanding competitive fit in that conference, and I hope they make the move.

-All the potential FAC expansion targets are over an hour away from Hillsboro, and in the current FAC they already have two 50 minute+ drives. So if they expand to 8, that will be four 50+ minute drives, and I don't see Hillsboro wanting that. They could just follow Greenfield to the SBAAC and join their big school division, in which they would only have one drive over 50 minutes, and they would be playing similar competition. I have also seen Washington Court House rumors about wanting out, and they could fit in the SBAAC as well, but travel does exist..

-Miami Trace is a school that is growing fast, and they will more than likely outgrow the FAC, and look for a new home in 10-15 years.

Needless to say, the SVC is fine where it is currently at. The FAC will have its own problems to figure out soon.

Overall, you nailed my thinking on the lack of a move by Unioto to the FAC. There’s no real stability there, where the only change in the SVC since the mid-70’s was Bishop Flaget closing in 1986.

It’s easy to say that Unioto needs to leave, I’ve said it too, but I’ve also stated that it has to make sense on where they end up. Leaving to go somewhere that unstable will likely lead to needing to find another home shortly after and that would be a headache.

I agree with you. SVC is extremely stable and a very solid conference. The FAC is essentially a rebranded SCOL (3rd iteration). Which is a conference that has been disbanded twice already.. not much stability at all there!

The SCOL was a very stable conference. At one point it was the oldest operating conference in the state. The second disbanding really didn't need to happen, just needed to own the fact the massie was going to win football every year. Now, I did hear that Massie tried to dictate everything the league did and that was the big part of the 5 schools leaving. Wilmington and east clinton were collateral damage due to them wanting to be loyal to massie... which made no sense.

The FAC is in big trouble. Miami Trace will either leave on their own or be voted out in next couple of years once Honda is operational. Jackson and court house will be on the outside looking for a home. Chillicothe greenfield and hillsboro will find a place to land.

I have said if the svc could pick up circleville court house mcclain and Waverly and go to big school small school divisions that would be a great fit.

[fball43]

Overall, you nailed my thinking on the lack of a move by Unioto to the FAC. There’s no real stability there, where the only change in the SVC since the mid-70’s was Bishop Flaget closing in 1986.

It’s easy to say that Unioto needs to leave, I’ve said it too, but I’ve also stated that it has to make sense on where they end up. Leaving to go somewhere that unstable will likely lead to needing to find another home shortly after and that would be a headache.

I agree with you. SVC is extremely stable and a very solid conference. The FAC is essentially a rebranded SCOL (3rd iteration). Which is a conference that has been disbanded twice already.. not much stability at all there!

The SCOL was a very stable conference. At one point it was the oldest operating conference in the state. The second disbanding really didn't need to happen, just needed to own the fact the massie was going to win football every year. Now, I did hear that Massie tried to dictate everything the league did and that was the big part of the 5 schools leaving. Wilmington and east clinton were collateral damage due to them wanting to be loyal to massie... which made no sense.

The FAC is in big trouble. Miami Trace will either leave on their own or be voted out in next couple of years once Honda is operational. Jackson and court house will be on the outside looking for a home. Chillicothe greenfield and hillsboro will find a place to land.

I have said if the svc could pick up circleville court house mcclain and Waverly and go to big school small school divisions that would be a great fit.

The 2nd SCOL would still be operating today if CM and Wilmington had said yes to adding Jackson as an EC replacement as they were prepared to leave the SCOL for a better competitive fit. But CM and Wilmington were a hard no on Jackson. Miami Trace, Washington CH, Hillsboro and Greenfield McClain are/were all essentially one package deal, those 4 schools have a great relationship with each other. Chillicothe and Jackson wanted to form a new league without CM/Wilmington as they thought that would be the better option. That left the Highland and Fayette County Schools in a tough dilemma, CM/Wilmington or Jackson/Chillicothe. Obviously they chose Chillicothe and Jackson over CM and Wilmington, which at the time I understand. CM was destroying them in football and Wilmington in basketball, which those 2 sports are the $$$ sports, and they figured they'd have a better time competing with Chillicothe and Jackson over the Clinton County schools. Well... 8 years later and essentially they are all just Jacksons punching bag in football, just like CM except they all have to travel further to Jackson instead of Clarksville to get their yearly 50 point blowout loss. Furthermore, whatever sport Jackson isn't beating on them in, Chillicothe has clean up duty and just beats on them instead (except Miami Trace holds their own pretty well).But WCH and Greenfield McClain struggle the most, and I really want to see them make a change.

Needless to say, its not hard to see why Hillsboro, Greenfield and WCH would want away from the FAC. Hillsboro has their name written all over the SBAAC, and I would think that they are at least considering it, they will definitely be the first school to leave the FAC. I would vouch for WCH to take the 8th spot in the MSL Buckeye that would be a great fit, but that is just another conference that is not in the greatest spot ATM, and they are a ticking time bomb more than likely just like the FAC. Once/if that conference does implode, that will probably be the end of Greenfield and WCH in the FAC. They will probably team up with Circleville, Logan Elm, Amanda-Clearcreek, Westfall, Unioto and Waverly to make a 'big' SVC division, which is a perfect fit all around for everyone involved. You nailed it with Miami Trace.. they will assuredly be going to the OCC. Chillicothe will probably follow Miami Trace to the OCC. Jackson can try the OCC and see if they can form a new division with Miami Trace, Chillicothe and other similar sized schools like Logan, Teays Valley and Lancaster maybe. If not, Jackson might have to apply to the Tri-Valley Conference.

But like I said earlier, I think the only thing keeping the FAC together is that Hillsboro, Greenfield, Miami Trace and WCH don't want to separate just yet most likely.

[bsee12345]

Unfortunately do not see any changes coming to the SVC- with that being said Unioto should be looking to leave but will not cause they are in the upper half of the standing in all sports- which they are OK with.
IMO SVC and FAC should join forces. IF and a big IF Mid State Buckeye were to dispand and with Teays Valley leaving may be the start then chips may fall- Talk is Liberty Union would like to go LCL small division which would put the MSL Buckeye down to 6-those LE, Circleville, HT, FU, BC, Amanda all different going on within the school districts- Bloom Carroll and Hamilton Twp are growing and may be able to think about the Ohio Capital Conference in the next 5 years. That leaves Logan Elm, Circleville, Amanda, Fairfield Union- all are not growing or losing enrollment. LE and Circleville fit perfect in the FAC- however travel to Amanda and FU make travel in the FAC a bare. So this is where Unioto may come into play- if Unioto can be persuaded to leave the SVC for the FAC then Amanda and FU can come on board and go to 2 divisions- East CV, LE, FU, Amanda, Jackson and Unioto- West Wash CH, Miami Trace, Hillsboro, Greenfield and Chillicothe. At this point Waverly maybe interested in the FAC and comes on board and put them in the East and Unioto in the west then you have 2 6 teams divisions. You could also divide these schools north and south Divisions-
Anyway doubt all this happens but do think changes only come if the Mid State Buckeye starts to lose teams.

[fball43]

Unfortunately do not see any changes coming to the SVC- with that being said Unioto should be looking to leave but will not cause they are in the upper half of the standing in all sports- which they are OK with.
IMO SVC and FAC should join forces. IF and a bit IF Mid State Buckeye were to dispand and with Teays Valley leaving may be the start then chips may fall- Talk is Liberty Union would like to go LCL small division which would put the MSL Buckeye down to 6-those LE, Circleville, HT, FU, BC, Amanda all different going on within the school districts- Bloom Carroll and Hamilton Twp are growing and may be able to think about the Ohio Capital Conference in the next 5 years. That leaves Logan Elm, Circleville, Amanda, Fairfield Union- all are not growing or losing enrollment. LE and Circleville fit perfect in the FAC- however travel to Amanda and FU make travel in the FAC a bare. So this is where Unioto may come into play- if Unioto can be persuaded to leave the SVC for the FAC then Amanda and FU can come on board and go to 2 divisions- East CV, LE, FU, Amanda, Jackson and Unioto- West Wash CH, Miami Trace, Hillsboro, Greenfield and Chillicothe. At this point Waverly maybe interested in the FAC and comes on board and put them in the East and Unioto in the west then you have 2 6 teams divisions. You could also divide these schools north and south Divisions-
Anyway doubt all this happens but do think changes only come if the Mid State Buckeye starts to lose teams.

Only way I see Unioto leaving the SVC is if they are 1. Forced out or 2. Join a conference in which they can still be highly competitive in. Currently the SVC is extremely stable and Unioto is competitive in the league. The FAC is not stable, and they would struggle to compete with Chillicothe, Jackson and Miami Trace in most sports. However, I agree with you on the MSL Buckeye teams. I think if an opportunity came up that allowed Unioto to be league mates with schools like Circleville, Logan Elm, Amanda, Fairfield Union, Washington CH, Greenfield and Waverly they would absolutely jump at that. They would all be great league mates, and the competition would be excellent for Unioto. However, you are most likely right in that the SVC wont see any changes.

[Ironman92]

When was the most recent time that a school left or was added to the SVC?

[Ironman92]

I also love how football is the main talking point and many mention the Jackson beat downs but also schools need monies to operate the sports programs. We have a 150 member band and 30 cheerleaders and many many non-football parents traveling to your place, buying a ticket and buying concessions….not even counting our football fans/parents travel better than all other schools as well.

The Pat Stevens league is still going strong. Basketball very even, baseball has been good, wrestling, track, volleyball, softball, golf….going good.

[Bozo]

When was the most recent time that a school left or was added to the SVC?

Probably when Bishop Flaget no longer had a high school. Mid 80s?

[Ironman92]

When was the most recent time that a school left or was added to the SVC?

Probably when Bishop Flaget no longer had a high school. Mid 80s?

Thank You….I wish they still did so someone could maybe beat Chillicothe in Cross Country

[fball43]

I also love how football is the main talking point and many mention the Jackson beat downs but also schools need monies to operate the sports programs. We have a 150 member band and 30 cheerleaders and many many non-football parents traveling to your place, buying a ticket and buying concessions….not even counting our football fans/parents travel better than all other schools as well.

The Pat Stevens league is still going strong. Basketball very even, baseball has been good, wrestling, track, volleyball, softball, golf….going good.

Jackson travels well and brings $$ in for these schools, and that's great and all, but that isn't enough to overlook their dominance in the sport of football. Chillicothe and Jackson is 85% of the reason why the FAC has a hard time expanding. Why would schools like Unioto, Waverly, Circleville and Logan Elm leave their current conferences in which they can compete in, to go to a conference where Jackson will running clock them in football, and Chillicothe will smack them around in 75% of the other sports. Theres just no reason for them to do so. Moreover, this will eventually drive others away within the league, and they will do what's best for their athletic programs. Sure the FAC may be more competitive in those other sports you listed, but overall, football will drive the decision the most. Look at the old SCOL which 5 of the current FAC members are from.. 75% of the reason that conference doesn't exist today is because of Clinton-Massie football dominance. Sure the FAC may be ok for now, but long term there are some big red flags with this conference, Miami Traces growth, Greenfields competitive fit, and etc. I have nothing against the FAC, but its just very very reminiscent of the SCOL problem that caused the 2nd fallout.