Should Wellston Keep Playing Jackson?

[loganlocos]

Oh what the heck...even pointless debate that results in no change can be fun if you are bored enough.

Let's see...Jackson has beaten Wellston how many times in a row? Enough to go beyond the mid-late 90s? Seems to me that Jim Reynolds had some of the very best SEOAL football teams ever back then and won the league going away for about 3-4 years in a row. Worst beat down I ever saw a GAHS team take on Memorial Field was 58-14 to Jackson.

I guess playing Wellston didnt do anything to hurt Jackson's league or playoff chances then, did they? Perhaps it is more a matter of talent on hand than who you schedule. Hmmmmmmmmmmm? If Logan played and destroyed Wellston the last ten years or so do you honestly think it would have made any difference in their season records, league championships, or playoff appearances?

It's all about the talent and coaching.

4ever -

ANYONE can win when they have talent. Great programs win when they don't have elite talent. Logan did not have elite talent in 2005 or 2006. Yet those teams were barely touched in the SEOAL.

I attribute that to our program stepping and challenging themselves. Would schedule matter for this years Logan team? Heck no. But there is NO doubt in my mind that the '05 and '06 teams GREATLY benefited from seeing Lancaster and Pick North early in the season.

[boilermaker]

Here is how this year ended up ...
Varsity 21-7
Jr Varsity 6-0
9th 12-0
8th 8-0
7th 44-0 in favor of Jackson.
Wellston has not won a game in any grade since Matt Lockards ( Graduated last year) 9th grade team beat Jackson's 9th. Just some more fuel for this fire.

[2old]

GAHS,

It is clear you do not understand scheduling and building a football program. i really can not get a man with a closed mind to understand these things.

As far as ending the lunacy parading as tradition in Jackson County the movement has to start somewhere. It is a BAD game for Wellston. Wellston will QUIT building the Jackson program some day.

As for the lie, yo do not understand the truth. Therefore you can not define a lie. You left the game early. That is the truth. The truth is not a lie.

[WTIGER 80]

I spend no time in Wellston, This game is about the almighty dollar. If you were there it was packed about 8000 plus at $5 each. Come on neither school wants to give that money up. it has nothing to do with the kids.Jackson could win for the next 20 years and they will still play. I live in Scioto county and drove over for the game. The first half was great. I should have went home at half time because Jackson dominated the second half outgaining Wellston 161 yards to 1 for Wellston.

[2old]

Tiger,

Two points:

1. Please feel free to send me a check fo the difference between the crowd of 8,000 you mentioned and the actual paid attendance. No way were there 8000 humans at that game.
2. the other issue is that Wellston can not handle more than 60% of the fans Jackson can accomodate. Once more Jackson makes a killing and Wellston is left with well.....leftovers.

Wellston wake up and quit let Jackson take avantage of you!

[Dean]

I have no dog in this fight and really do not care who plays whom. I do, however, despise the arrogance of people who say that because you disagree with me then you must be mentally challenged and incapable of logic. 2old does not have a monopoly on the knowledge of how to build a winning program. I'm not sure if he is right or wrong, but I am sure of his/her arrogance.

[bobcatfan4728]

It seems 2old just wants to come on here and whine when someone does not agree with him . I love it when poeple say i know this but i'm not going to tell you cause i do not have time. As far as i can tell you do not have ties to either school so why do you get on here and complain. Go write your book on how to build a program make sure you stop by Mcarthur and see how the scheduleing of cream puffs and tough teams made them a power. It all starts with coaching u bulid your kids up teaching them frist. Then u worry about who you are playing with the right coaching you will win. I think wellston is close to breaking through they are hanging in games. If the injuries get healed the boys will do very wel in the TVC this year. They are impoveing every week. While speaking of coaching look at what coach Arno is doing up the road in Alexander.

[2old]

Ahh i am glad so many of you are following this drama. In fact there are some points we actually agree on.

Coaching is a very important element to building a program. However athletes must be given a chance to have succcess. At this moment in time (read 19 years of futility) the Wellston Jackson series proves the Rockets are not ready for this challenge. Build the program learn how to win and restart the series at an appropriate time.

Look at the slow start for Wellston against Minford. i call it a Jackson hang over. The athletes did recover to make a game of it but moral victories garnish no points. Take away the Rocket slow start and Wellston may have won last Friday. Play a more reasonable opener and Wellston may be 2-0 this season. It is way to easy to figure the playoff points Wellston has amassed so far...0000000000000.

Wellston is NOW BURIED in the computer ratings and has little or no chance of the playoffs in 2009.

[Ironman92]

Not buying the Jackson hangover statement. Yes, they were down 20-0 early on which merits your claim....but the game was tied at halftime....they fought back....went to the half to recover and plan out the 2nd half and lost by a TD.

[WitnessProtection]

As long as the money's flowin', keep the Jackson-Wellston series goin'.
Just my thoughts guys.

[2old]

92,

Good point, but as always there is more to the story. Wellston was down 20 at the end of one. The advill finally kicked in and the headache ended. however being down 20 proved too much for the Rockets. Besides it has already been stated there is only one reason for jackson to end this series. That would be an overall improvement in their scheduling. Jackson has shown no inclination to do it. They love pounding on Wellston(last loss in 1989) and Vinton County (loss in 1998). Come on Jackson grow up and play real football.

Gahs,

I doubt anyone on here cares what Gallia does. Actually you prove my point. Besides the nearly yearly beat down administered by Logan and Ironton on Gallia, Gallia does occassionally win the game. Wellston does not win the game and it is always the opening game. It effects the entire season.

Witness read entire thread again. You are missing valuable insights provided by 2old.

[WitnessProtection]

As long as the money's flowin', keep the Jackson-Wellston series goin'.
Just my thoughts guys.

[boilermaker]

The Horse is dead ,,Let it rest .The powers to be will never let this game end.

[Ironman92]

Wellston was outscored 20-0 in the first quarter.....Minford was outscored 20-0 in the 2nd qtr.


Your advil thought has merit....but is there no use of momentum in football. Being up 20 after 1 qtr is great...but everyone in the stadium knows there is much more to be played out....but what about scoring 20 unanswered points to tie it up before the half.

Would you rather be coaching the team who jumped out to a huge lead and then were shut down the final 12 minutes while the other team scored greatly OR would you rather get off to a bad start and have your team dominate the 2nd qtr and go into half with all the momentum and positve thoughts?

Either way the game was tied with 2 qtrs and a session for adjustments by both. I have to give credit to Minford for playing the best 2nd half.....I don't think the 2nd half for Wellston had any outcome happen because of the week before.

[Keyser_sozeThrice]

I would remind folks like 2old that Wellston has bounced back in week 2 plenty of times before, including against Minford. I don't buy the "Jackson hangover" theory.

[ironman02]

Just for the record, Jackson last lost to VC in 1997, not 1998. I've seen that mentioned a few times lately by various people, so I wanted to make that correction. Not that it matters much, but it just bothers me. I'm weird like that.

[Auburntgrfan]

Has this been a long standing rivalery?
Its like Warren and Belpre. Warren evened the series 24-24, this year. BHS dominated the series early when they were a bigger school than Warren. Those numbers have reversed so Warren has won the last four games and most of the games in the last 12 years or so.
My point is if Jackson and Wellston have been playing this game for several decades like WHS & BHS it is a traditional big game and alumni look forward to the annual bragging rights game. We have Fort Frye & Waterford that are right across the river from each other and family members don't speak during the week of "The Game".
I guess its just hard to give up one these games.
Good luck to both programs.

[ironman02]

7072,

Yes, Jackson and Wellston have officially played 96 times, with Jackson holding a 65-25-6 advantage.

[bobcatfan4728]

The Rockets will be ok The Minford game had nothing to do with the jackson game and everything to do with key players being hurt. It is hard to win without a couple of your key players. The Rockets young men put together a very good game. I know it is over used but they just need to learn to win they are on their way.

[2old]

Oh gee so much help.

Let me start with the hangover theory. It is a theory. It is not fact. But i believe losing 19 straight years or for that matter yoru entire highschool career can not have a good effect on you.

Keysor your vote is much like a Jackson fan. It sells papers. it gives you something interesting to write about.

This game does Wellston no good. There is NOTHING good about losing 19 years in a row. I might add more interesting in Jackson than Wellston. I would rather see Wellston have a chance to make the playoffs.

As for GAHS and scheduling. You will never get it. it is just too much for you to handle.