A-11 Offense Ruled Illegal
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jeepchopper
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A-11 Offense Ruled Illegal
Many state athletic rules commissions have ruled the A-11 offense illegal and is even innthe national high school rules commiittee to be an illegal offense. What does everyone else think. I agree to a certain point.
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if there is 7 on the line of scrimmage. how could it be illegal. i am just speculating . i dont even know what an a-11 is. 
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The A-11 Offense (All Eleven Players Potentially Eligible) is an innovative new offense that blends aspects of almost every type of offense in the history of football such as the West Coast, Spread Option, Run and Shoot, Shotgun Zone Fly, Wing-T, Single Wing, Notre Dame Box, Triple Option and Veer just to name a few. Teams can use the A-11 as a “package†to supplement their own offense & feature up to eleven players as potential threats, and even two quarterbacks in the shotgun!
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HOW IT WORKS:
The A-11 features up to all eleven players wearing an eligible receiver jersey number, either 1-49 or 80- 99, with two quarterbacks in the shotgun formation at 7 yards, and with nobody under center - thereby meeting the criteria for a scrimmage kick formation. In “base†sets, the A-11 Offense has a center, and a tight end on each side, and three wide receivers to the right, and left respectively. By spreading the potentially eligible receivers across the entire field, it forces the defense to account for every possible receiver on each play. Of course, on any given play, only six of those players can go downfield to catch a pass, and the five “covered†players remain ineligible to catch a downfield pass on that particular play.
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IT WAS SUCCESSFULLY OFFICIATED:
The A-11 was in development for more than two years before being unveiled by Piedmont (CA) during the 2007 season. Referee crews from multiple regions in California had little trouble adjusting to the new offense and their feedback was overwhelmingly positive declaring the A-11 Offense fun, refreshing and easier to referee in real life, than on the whiteboard.
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HELPS SMALL SCHOOLS COMPETE:
"Respectfully, throughout football history at the high school level, other teams have run a few plays from a scrimmage kick formation. But this is a brand new system in football, and for the thousands of small schools like us nationwide that are forced to compete against much larger schools on a regular basis, it's the only way we can be competitive. The larger enrollment schools have a very unfair size advantage over the smaller schools, and so we had to try something new." Explains Piedmont head coach, Kurt Bryan. And so, the A-11 Offense was born to try and somewhat negate the sheer overwhelming size advantage much larger schools maintain over the small ones.
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AN ADDED BENEFIT OF SAFETY:
The Piedmont coaching staff is also excited about the added safety aspect of the new offense, says A-11 co-creator Steve Humphries. “An unforeseen benefit for us has been a major increase in the safety and protection of our players. We have not had major injuries to our offensive players in a game or practice due to the spread out nature of the A-11, and this is a major selling point. It really helps the players of the much smaller schools stay healthier during the season, which in turn allows schools like us to remain competitive throughout the entire year.â€
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THE A-11 IS FUN FOR THE PLAYERS:
“As soon as I implemented the A-11 system into our spread offense, our players attention skyrocketed. Now when I talk about the passing game, running game, play action game, everyone listens because they know they may be “THE GUY†at any time during the game that scores the touchdown. Our new team motto is All For One and One For All. Everyone Eligible! We can't wait for the season to begin.â€
- George Crace, Head Football Coach, Horizon Christian H.S., Tualatin, Oregon
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jiveturkey
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IMO, it is a TOTAL load of crap that the Federation is even considering outlawing this scheme. It is a great equalizer for small schools. Just another way of keeping the man down...
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jeepchopper wrote:Many state athletic rules commissions have ruled the A-11 offense illegal and is even innthe national high school rules commiittee to be an illegal offense. What does everyone else think. I agree to a certain point.
Which states made it illegal?
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Where can I find a DVD or VHS tape of it being run? I bet it would be hard to defend.
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madpolecat
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Imagine how hard that would be to defend. It would almost be like man-to-man, full-court basketball defense without any help!
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California, and some southern states, i saw the article on yahoo.com check it out if you want. They say because if you stay in to block then you are a lineman and must have a registered lineman number.
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Re: A-11 Offense Ruled Illegal
Ray Glier
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Kurt Bryan, the football coach at Piedmont (Calif.) High School, has heard the wail of protests against his A-11 offense. Deceiving, skirting the rules, unsportsmanlike. It has been labeled gimmicky and it has its enemies.
Success on the Field
Piedmont (Calif.) High football was the pioneering school with the A-11. Check out the photo gallery of Piedmont in action. That's why he can only imagine that the worst is in store for his and Steve Humphries' offense in the next week.
The A-11 offense, a super-sized spread with eligible receivers popping up all over the field, has been banned by some high school state associations. Bryan is worried the National Federation of State High School Associations is going to adopt rule changes for 2009 that will ruin the scheme in the states where it is used.
The football rules committee of the NHFS met Jan. 24-26 in Indianapolis and Bryan said the committee discussed proposals that would effectively take the fledgling A-11 off the chalkboard.
Brad Garrett, the assistant executive director of the Oregon Activities Association and vice chairman of the NFHS Rules Football Committee, said rules committee members cannot talk about proposed rule changes or how they voted.
The rules committee makes recommendations to the NFHS national governing board, which votes whether to accept recommendations, but the board typically passes what it is presented by the rules committee. The board is expected to release rule changes for 2009 in the next week.
One of the proposals the committee discussed, which would curtail the A-11, was to take away an exception to rule 7-2-5b that allows players with jersey numbers 1-49 and 80-99 to be down linemen, and eligible pass receivers, in a scrimmage kick formation.
The A-11 (A11Offense.com) creators used that exception to have all of their players wear numbers 1-49 or 80-99, numbers reserved for receivers, and said if the numbering is allowed for scrimmage kicks it should be allowed for all offensive plays. Referees working A-11 games, Bryan said, have not thrown flags for ineligible receivers and allowed the offense to proceed throughout the game.
Piedmont Football
In two seasons with the A-11 offense Piedmont football has become regular participants in the postseason. Bryan and Humphries, who is Piedmont's director of football operations, said the National Federation might institute rules to block the use of the A-11 by member schools, but that is not going to make the offense go away.
"There is a demonstrative benefit of using the A-11 offense, and there is room in America for more than one style of football," Bryan said. "There is a loud, ugly minority out there that is against this offense.
"This is standing up for the little guy in football, the schools without the numbers of kids or the big linemen. There is a huge disconnect between the players on the ground, the kids that play in this offense and the National Federation."
Bryan said if the National Federation adopts rules curtailing the use of the A-11 among NFHS members, then there will be a movement to create a federation for schools that want to use the A-11.
"What is ridiculous is there already are A-11 teams playing non-A-11 teams without incident," Bryan said. "We are playing within the rules."
Bryan said as far as he knows the opponents of the A-11 offense have not been to a game to watch the offense and examine it closely.
In the A-11, players do not wear the traditional jersey numbers for linemen: they use 1-49, and 80 through 99, which is legal. This means that all 11 players on offense can be eligible for a pass.
In essence, the offense creates an island for 11 players, spreading the defense out, and looking for one-on-one matchups.
If a player gets set on the line, and another player lines up outside that player, the inside player is ineligible to catch a pass. What the A-11 can do is have offensive players wait until the final seconds of the play clock and then take positions on the line making it difficult for the defense to know, until the last moment, which receivers are eligible.
The North Carolina High School Athletic Association declared the A-11 offense was an "unsporting act" and banned its members from using the offense.
Officials from state associations who say their members cannot use the offense said the A-11 uses a loophole in the rules to deceive opponents. That loophole could get closed in the next week.
Wide Open Play Calling
One of the keys to the success of the A-11 is the ability to make an infinite amount of plays. Check out the photo gallery of some of the plays run by Piedmont. "The rule was written for a scrimmage kick exception, the number requirement, to aid in terms of long snappers and blocking situations," said Mark Dreibelbis, the supervisor of officials for the North Carolina High School Athletic Association. "They are taking a rule book exception for a scrimmage kick and putting it [in] place every down of the game and that is not the intent of the rule and it is outside the spirit of the rule code and it is an attempt to deceive and attempts to deceive are unsporting acts."
Dr. Ralph Swearngin, the executive director of the Georgia High School Association, warned schools in Georgia during the 2008 season about using the A-11 because he said it broke National Federation rules.
On its Web site, the GHSA's warning said any player in a game in a scrimmage kick situation (punt, field goal, extra point) wearing jerseys 1-49 to 80-99 still "must assume an initial position on his line of scrimmage between the ends and he remains an ineligible forward-pass receiver during the down."
Bryan said it is not his intent to try and lead schools to break away from the National Federation. He has proposed a sub-federation for schools that want to play A-11 football.
"Allowing teams the right to use A-11 football if they want to is extremely viable," Bryan said. "And there are plenty of people who will be ready to help set that up so everybody wins."
Special to Rivals High
Kurt Bryan, the football coach at Piedmont (Calif.) High School, has heard the wail of protests against his A-11 offense. Deceiving, skirting the rules, unsportsmanlike. It has been labeled gimmicky and it has its enemies.
Success on the Field
Piedmont (Calif.) High football was the pioneering school with the A-11. Check out the photo gallery of Piedmont in action. That's why he can only imagine that the worst is in store for his and Steve Humphries' offense in the next week.
The A-11 offense, a super-sized spread with eligible receivers popping up all over the field, has been banned by some high school state associations. Bryan is worried the National Federation of State High School Associations is going to adopt rule changes for 2009 that will ruin the scheme in the states where it is used.
The football rules committee of the NHFS met Jan. 24-26 in Indianapolis and Bryan said the committee discussed proposals that would effectively take the fledgling A-11 off the chalkboard.
Brad Garrett, the assistant executive director of the Oregon Activities Association and vice chairman of the NFHS Rules Football Committee, said rules committee members cannot talk about proposed rule changes or how they voted.
The rules committee makes recommendations to the NFHS national governing board, which votes whether to accept recommendations, but the board typically passes what it is presented by the rules committee. The board is expected to release rule changes for 2009 in the next week.
One of the proposals the committee discussed, which would curtail the A-11, was to take away an exception to rule 7-2-5b that allows players with jersey numbers 1-49 and 80-99 to be down linemen, and eligible pass receivers, in a scrimmage kick formation.
The A-11 (A11Offense.com) creators used that exception to have all of their players wear numbers 1-49 or 80-99, numbers reserved for receivers, and said if the numbering is allowed for scrimmage kicks it should be allowed for all offensive plays. Referees working A-11 games, Bryan said, have not thrown flags for ineligible receivers and allowed the offense to proceed throughout the game.
Piedmont Football
In two seasons with the A-11 offense Piedmont football has become regular participants in the postseason. Bryan and Humphries, who is Piedmont's director of football operations, said the National Federation might institute rules to block the use of the A-11 by member schools, but that is not going to make the offense go away.
"There is a demonstrative benefit of using the A-11 offense, and there is room in America for more than one style of football," Bryan said. "There is a loud, ugly minority out there that is against this offense.
"This is standing up for the little guy in football, the schools without the numbers of kids or the big linemen. There is a huge disconnect between the players on the ground, the kids that play in this offense and the National Federation."
Bryan said if the National Federation adopts rules curtailing the use of the A-11 among NFHS members, then there will be a movement to create a federation for schools that want to use the A-11.
"What is ridiculous is there already are A-11 teams playing non-A-11 teams without incident," Bryan said. "We are playing within the rules."
Bryan said as far as he knows the opponents of the A-11 offense have not been to a game to watch the offense and examine it closely.
In the A-11, players do not wear the traditional jersey numbers for linemen: they use 1-49, and 80 through 99, which is legal. This means that all 11 players on offense can be eligible for a pass.
In essence, the offense creates an island for 11 players, spreading the defense out, and looking for one-on-one matchups.
If a player gets set on the line, and another player lines up outside that player, the inside player is ineligible to catch a pass. What the A-11 can do is have offensive players wait until the final seconds of the play clock and then take positions on the line making it difficult for the defense to know, until the last moment, which receivers are eligible.
The North Carolina High School Athletic Association declared the A-11 offense was an "unsporting act" and banned its members from using the offense.
Officials from state associations who say their members cannot use the offense said the A-11 uses a loophole in the rules to deceive opponents. That loophole could get closed in the next week.
Wide Open Play Calling
One of the keys to the success of the A-11 is the ability to make an infinite amount of plays. Check out the photo gallery of some of the plays run by Piedmont. "The rule was written for a scrimmage kick exception, the number requirement, to aid in terms of long snappers and blocking situations," said Mark Dreibelbis, the supervisor of officials for the North Carolina High School Athletic Association. "They are taking a rule book exception for a scrimmage kick and putting it [in] place every down of the game and that is not the intent of the rule and it is outside the spirit of the rule code and it is an attempt to deceive and attempts to deceive are unsporting acts."
Dr. Ralph Swearngin, the executive director of the Georgia High School Association, warned schools in Georgia during the 2008 season about using the A-11 because he said it broke National Federation rules.
On its Web site, the GHSA's warning said any player in a game in a scrimmage kick situation (punt, field goal, extra point) wearing jerseys 1-49 to 80-99 still "must assume an initial position on his line of scrimmage between the ends and he remains an ineligible forward-pass receiver during the down."
Bryan said it is not his intent to try and lead schools to break away from the National Federation. He has proposed a sub-federation for schools that want to play A-11 football.
"Allowing teams the right to use A-11 football if they want to is extremely viable," Bryan said. "And there are plenty of people who will be ready to help set that up so everybody wins."
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jiveturkey
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I think that it bothers some officials that a coach was smart enough to take a rule and use it his team's advantage. I dont think the Federation needs an A-11 subdivision, I think they should just let coaches go on with this strategy. Defensing it is one of those chess matches that makes coaching fun...
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I DONT SEE HOW YOU CAN STOP A LEGIT OFFENSE. I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO SEE WHO IS ELIGIBLE, ESPECIALLY IN A HURRY UP OFFENSE.
WHEN THEY FIND A WAY TO OFFICIATE IT NATIONWIDE. THERE WILL BE SOME VARIATIONS OCCUR.
WHEN THEY FIND A WAY TO OFFICIATE IT NATIONWIDE. THERE WILL BE SOME VARIATIONS OCCUR.
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Guys there were four or five states that banned it last year, GA, NC, MS for sure. The news is that the NFHS is going to change the numbering exception so that it is like the NCAA rule. To use the numbering exception in college games, it must be obvious that a kick is going to happen. The numbering exception is an exception to a rule, so this whole offense is based on the loophole left open by the NFHS rules book and the committee has decided to close the loop hole. A-11 is a gimmick and a travesty of the game and that is how some states have ruled in the past. It is an attempt to circumvent the rules by not following the intent of the rule thus it is cheating. It is unsporting and now (hopefully) it will be illegal, as it should be.
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I think that as long as there are sevan men on the line they should leave it alone. The A-11 is within the rules and is a great O for small and big schools alike. 
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So you are all for getting rid of the 50-79 numbers and the big boys that wear those numbers?
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JohnKnight wrote:So you are all for getting rid of the 50-79 numbers and the big boys that wear those numbers?
Who said they don't use linemen? I think the just stick different numbers on them so they can catch a pass and rumble bumble and stumble once in a while to keep the defense honest. I love the A-11, breath of fresh air.
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It is just the spread with some trickery thrown in. It is not going to be legal.
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check out his location. he just doesnt ever want to have to defend it. 
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We have always been a spread team at Waverly. Not a big difference. This gimmick is based on trying to confuse the defense based on who may or may not be eligible, that is not football. It is illegal and is a travesty of the game. Officials will not call it that way, they have to be directed by state and national associations first.
http://www.nfhs.org/web/2004/01/the_coa ... thics.aspx
The coach shall master the contest rules and shall teach them to his or her team members. The coach shall not seek an advantage by circumvention of the spirit or letter of the rules.
http://www.nfhs.org/web/2004/01/the_coa ... thics.aspx
The coach shall master the contest rules and shall teach them to his or her team members. The coach shall not seek an advantage by circumvention of the spirit or letter of the rules.