Why would the SOC want to bring Portsmouth in

[mustang_lvr]

What would the SOC gain with bring Portsmouth in the League?
Seems like with 16 teams they wouldn't want to even thing about this.

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

Reasons the SOC should want PHS

Revenue- Although PHS football has been down resulting in lower turnouts at games due to losing seasons the Burg and West games have still been draws. With PHS bringing in new coaching I would expect all PHS football games to become the draws they once were, being regular packed houses. Basketball has been an obvious draw the last few years.

Competition- although PHS has had slumps in athletics as all programs eventually do. The Trojans have the strongest bball history in the whole southeast region and one of the best in the state. Football has been down since 03 but has produced numerous playoff runs in the past and it looks as if a commitment is being made to return to that level. I believe PHS still has arguably one of the stronger football traditions in the county behind Burg. The Trojans have also posted strong competition in other sports. Playing quality competition improves a team and each quality team within the conference improves the conference.

Facilities- PHS has beautiful new facilities for football basketball baseball track tennis and soon softball. It is always nice to vist quality facilities.

Travel- PHS is a close trip for all SOC schools saving on travel expense. And most importantly get kids hone earlier durning mid week sports while also helping travel budgets.

SOC2 football scheduling- with northwest departure to soc1 football leaving a 5 team league it leaves a team each week needing a non league game late in the season it has been donee multiple times before but it is alway easier with even numbers for football.

These are just a few of the reasons phs should be a desirable add for the SOC. although most of these reasons are directed towards the soc 2. I have suggested before that if PHS really wants in they should put together a deal where they offer a revenue sharing program with the smaller schools for a few years to sweeten the pot for them.

[fbnut]

I agree with you trojan alum but don't the teams that play them already get most of the things you listed?

[LetsGoPSU]

A big reason it would help the SOC......just maybe Ironton would see an interest and any league that adds an Ironton to their mix would generate a huge gate once a year in football,as well as a "where are we at" type of game

[Bleeding Red]

A big reason it would help the SOC......just maybe Ironton would see an interest and any league that adds an Ironton to their mix would generate a huge gate once a year in football,as well as a "where are we at" type of game

So why not just go after Ironton for the SOC II?

[starbase_318]

I think it funny how those outside the league are telling member teams what's in their best interest. You certainly don't hear about teams beating the doors down trying to get out. If the current administrators vote them in, so be it...If not, the snubbing of yesteryear lives on!! :12224

[4thgoal]

I think it funny how those outside the league are telling member teams what's in their best interest. You certainly don't hear about teams beating the doors down trying to get out. If the current administrators vote them in, so be it...If not, the snubbing of yesteryear lives on!! :12224

You are correct. According to wikipedia, the last team to leave the SOC was Ironton St Joe in 1989. The average of all schools membership in the conference is 45 years, which would likely make the SOC one of the most stable conferences in Ohio.

[LucasJackson]

I don't believe that the SOC gains anything financially right now by adding Portsmouth, Ironton, Jackson to their fold.?reason being that any school wanting to play those schools already play them. Burg already plays these schools and they enjoy the increased revenue without jeopardizing any hardware. The Ironton at Wheelersburg game in 2012 brought a $25,000 gross to the Burg. Until Ironton and Portsmouth get to a place where they don't schedule SOC teams in anything, those schools in the SOC that play now, won't lose a thing.
Even though both schools bring certain programs that would give the SOC statewide exposure, I don't believe that is a core goal for current league members.
I believe the best scenario is to have Portsmouth and Ironton get together and find at least three other members and form an entirely separate division of the SOC. However, to my understanding, current membership even balked at that.
I have often thought that the SOC and the OVC should combine as the SOVC and form a super conference similar to the OCC in central Ohio.
Really it's all about the Benji's and right now the schools that want the Benji's already schedule those two schools

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

i think it's a no-brainer to add portsmouth. i think ironton likes being independant, i do. but who knows .

[Kentucky Trojan]

Reasons the SOC should want PHS

Revenue- Although PHS football has been down resulting in lower turnouts at games due to losing seasons the Burg and West games have still been draws. With PHS bringing in new coaching I would expect all PHS football games to become the draws they once were, being regular packed houses. Basketball has been an obvious draw the last few years.

Competition- although PHS has had slumps in athletics as all programs eventually do. The Trojans have the strongest bball history in the whole southeast region and one of the best in the state. Football has been down since 03 but has produced numerous playoff runs in the past and it looks as if a commitment is being made to return to that level. I believe PHS still has arguably one of the stronger football traditions in the county behind Burg. The Trojans have also posted strong competition in other sports. Playing quality competition improves a team and each quality team within the conference improves the conference.

Facilities- PHS has beautiful new facilities for football basketball baseball track tennis and soon softball. It is always nice to vist quality facilities.

Travel- PHS is a close trip for all SOC schools saving on travel expense. And most importantly get kids hone earlier durning mid week sports while also helping travel budgets.

SOC2 football scheduling- with northwest departure to soc1 football leaving a 5 team league it leaves a team each week needing a non league game late in the season it has been donee multiple times before but it is alway easier with even numbers for football.

These are just a few of the reasons phs should be a desirable add for the SOC. although most of these reasons are directed towards the soc 2. I have suggested before that if PHS really wants in they should put together a deal where they offer a revenue sharing program with the smaller schools for a few years to sweeten the pot for them.

Classic!

Thanks!

[Kentucky Trojan]

I don't believe that the SOC gains anything financially right now by adding Portsmouth, Ironton, Jackson to their fold.?reason being that any school wanting to play those schools already play them. Burg already plays these schools and they enjoy the increased revenue without jeopardizing any hardware. The Ironton at Wheelersburg game in 2012 brought a $25,000 gross to the Burg. Until Ironton and Portsmouth get to a place where they don't schedule SOC teams in anything, those schools in the SOC that play now, won't lose a thing.
Even though both schools bring certain programs that would give the SOC statewide exposure, I don't believe that is a core goal for current league members.
I believe the best scenario is to have Portsmouth and Ironton get together and find at least three other members and form an entirely separate division of the SOC. However, to my understanding, current membership even balked at that.
I have often thought that the SOC and the OVC should combine as the SOVC and form a super conference similar to the OCC in central Ohio.
Really it's all about the Benji's and right now the schools that want the Benji's already schedule those two schools

I agree.

Classic, too!

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

it still behooves me that northwest, which is a very large school in the soc. can drop a size to the size of green, and the likes simply because they cannot compete.how far can you water down a drink, before it's just water. they'll make playoffs now maybe, and get torched first round.nobody wins there.

[Crab's Brother]

it still behooves me that northwest, which is a very large school in the soc. can drop a size to the size of green, and the likes simply because they cannot compete.how far can you water down a drink, before it's just water. they'll make playoffs now maybe, and get torched first round.nobody wins there.

Bait,

Based on your post, you haven't seen the state of the Northwest program. They are several years from being able to compete on a yearly basis in the SOC I. They played the 3 bottom teams in that league last year and lost by an average of over 21 PPG. The move is the best thing for everyone involved, especially the SOC II teams that could use another non league point game.

[Bleeding Red]

it still behooves me that northwest, which is a very large school in the soc. can drop a size to the size of green, and the likes simply because they cannot compete.how far can you water down a drink, before it's just water. they'll make playoffs now maybe, and get torched first round.nobody wins there.

They can have a winning season and they still wont make the playoffs.

Notre Dame and East beat them consistently. Symmes Valley will beat them most years. They will still play Minford which will be a loss.

They still have to compete in Div 4 Region 15 (unless they drop to D5 Region 19) and there wont be enough wins and or playoff points to make it in. They are not dropping size, only division in the SOC conference.

The problems at Northwest include: such a large area of school district making getting back and forth to athletics difficult, inconsistencies in their coaching and a lack of pee wee football structure. None of those things will be remedied by lowing to the SOC I.

Northwest had a good group of Jr High football players this year. It will be interesting if they can make a move in SOC I when this group gets to their jr and senior years.

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

IF THE SOC AND THE PUBLIC BELIEVE IT WILL HELP THE LEAGUE, SOBEIT.
BUT WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE. IF IT IS TRULEY BEST TEMPORARILY, THAT'S FINE, SYMMES VALLEY HAS THE SAME ISSUES, AND CONSISTENTLY PLACES QUALITY PROGRAMS ON THE FIELD.

[Tigercannon71]

IF THE SOC AND THE PUBLIC BELIEVE IT WILL HELP THE LEAGUE, SOBEIT.
BUT WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE. IF IT IS TRULEY BEST TEMPORARILY, THAT'S FINE, SYMMES VALLEY HAS THE SAME ISSUES, AND CONSISTENTLY PLACES QUALITY PROGRAMS ON THE FIELD.

What issues does Symmes Valley have? Are you comparing them to Northwest? Ive seen a lot of these SOC teams compete in the past few years and Northwest is years behind in being competitive. I got family that has kids at Northwest and all of them complain about the same thing and that is lack of coaching. They will be hard pressed to compete in the small school division as it is.