LeBron vs. Jordan

[Orange and Brown]

Kobe---lol---always good to start the morning out with a laugh

Now I feel so much better

After having to look at yourself in the shower, I'm glad I could bring some sunshine to your little world. 8) :122246 8)

Kobe, btw, is 5-for-7 in the NBA Finals against the likes Reggie Miller, 'Practice Guy', Jason Kidd, Dwight Howard, the New Bad Boys and the Boston Big 3. Kobe and MJ are both 10x 1st-Team All-NBA and 9x All-Defensive Team. MJ never put 81 points up on any franchise, and Kobe is one full season away from passing both Wilt and MJ on the all-time scoring list.

Guess who handed the Celtics their only Game 7 loss in NBA Finals history? And he didn't even need Shaq to do it.

MJ made me want to watch NBA basketball years ago. Kobe, Kevin Durant and Tim Duncan are the only reasons for me to watch it now.

In reality, how about Jordan 91-93 vs. Jordan 96-98.

that's a good comparison..... 91-93 Jordan was dominant, No one could stop him, and he put up huge numbers..... 96-98, He was still pretty dominate, but he realized that he was getting a little older so he started passing the ball more and more. He was willing to let his teammates score early in games.

One point I want to bring up about kobe scoring 81 and Jordan never doing that. Most of Kobe's 50+ point games were blowouts, Jordan and Pippen sat on the bench halfway through the 3rd and all of the 4th in Blowouts...... If Jordan was playing in the second half of a lot of those blowouts, he would have hit 90 or more points, but Phil always rested Jordans knees whenever he could and it wouldn't hurt the teams chance of winning.

I wanna build on my last post.......Jordan took over games when he needed to. He could do it anytime he wanted to. Lebron has the ability to take over games but he fades late in those games. If Lebron would just take those big shots instead of passing the ball I think someone could make a better case for him.
Jordan said on more than one occasion that he missed way more game winners than he ever made, but he was never afraid to take those shots. Lebron is scared to death to shoot the ball in the clutch.

[Rebels on 3]

Let me put it this way. If I go golfing with another person and I can drive and putt better but our iron game is equal guess whos gonna be better.....me
That's the same thing with LeBron and Jordan, LeBron is a better passer, rebounder, teammate, but about equal in scoring. If you ask me that sounds like he is a better player. 1+1=2 people. Rings have nothing to do with individual play. Some of the best players of all time don't have rings. The topic is LeBron vs. Jordan, not LeBrons team vs. Jordan's team. Luke Walton has like 4 rings does that make him better than LeBron? NO.

[TribeManiac10]

Kobe---lol---always good to start the morning out with a laugh

Now I feel so much better

After having to look at yourself in the shower, I'm glad I could bring some sunshine to your little world. 8) :122246 8)

Kobe, btw, is 5-for-7 in the NBA Finals against the likes Reggie Miller, 'Practice Guy', Jason Kidd, Dwight Howard, the New Bad Boys and the Boston Big 3. Kobe and MJ are both 10x 1st-Team All-NBA and 9x All-Defensive Team. MJ never put 81 points up on any franchise, and Kobe is one full season away from passing both Wilt and MJ on the all-time scoring list.

Guess who handed the Celtics their only Game 7 loss in NBA Finals history? And he didn't even need Shaq to do it.

MJ made me want to watch NBA basketball years ago. Kobe, Kevin Durant and Tim Duncan are the only reasons for me to watch it now.

In reality, how about Jordan 91-93 vs. Jordan 96-98.

that's a good comparison..... 91-93 Jordan was dominant, No one could stop him, and he put up huge numbers..... 96-98, He was still pretty dominate, but he realized that he was getting a little older so he started passing the ball more and more. He was willing to let his teammates score early in games.

One point I want to bring up about kobe scoring 81 and Jordan never doing that. Most of Kobe's 50+ point games were blowouts, Jordan and Pippen sat on the bench halfway through the 3rd and all of the 4th in Blowouts...... If Jordan was playing in the second half of a lot of those blowouts, he would have hit 90 or more points, but Phil always rested Jordans knees whenever he could and it wouldn't hurt the teams chance of winning.

I wanna build on my last post.......Jordan took over games when he needed to. He could do it anytime he wanted to. Lebron has the ability to take over games but he fades late in those games. If Lebron would just take those big shots instead of passing the ball I think someone could make a better case for him.
Jordan said on more than one occasion that he missed way more game winners than he ever made, but he was never afraid to take those shots. Lebron is scared to death to shoot the ball in the clutch.

You don't think he redeemed himself a little in this past year's playoff run? His performance in the last three games against the Mavericks were terrible but I don't remember him having a single bad game this last post season.

[Orange and Brown]

TribeManiac10-----

I think we saw what Lebron could be. If he can show that consistently, then maybe the conversation changes. If he starts saying "Give me the ball" when there is 5 seconds left in the game and they need a shot for the tie or win on a consistent basis. He is fine letting Wade take those shots...He just needs that killer instinct on the court.

The Dallas series he just got frustrated, The Mavs played him perfect and made him dish the ball or take outside shots. We all know Lebron struggles from outside for the most part.

[Orange and Brown]

Another point to those who say Lebron is equal or better than Jordan because he finally won a ring................................ If you go to college for 4 years and in that last year you finally pass a class, that doesn't mean you get to graduate because you passed one class.

Lebron has taken another step in his career, if he keeps taking these kinds of steps then it is possible that he will be looked at as the "Greatest ever"

The problem is that the NBA was a different league then than it is now.

[C-Bolt]

I'd take the Jordan 96-98 as the best ever,experience always wins out, but he might have lost a little of that explosive first step by then although his shooting also picked up to offset it, all this and I couldn't stand Jordan when he played and still don't care too much for him, but that's the way I see it.Now I do agree there could be somebody come along someday that could even be better,but we definitely have not seen him yet although Kobe would be closest IMO.And also he won an NBA Championship quicker than James in the NBA taking 8 years while it took James 10.And someone brought up clutch late game play and that's where the big separation between the two is,James is a great athlete no doubt but he doesn't have it between the ear's like the others.Even this year I witnessed him missing a lot of late game free throws and missing some late jump shots also during the playoffs

[BBallin fool]

Jordan hands down!!!Never was much of a Bulls fan, But Jordan would take the game over!!! Jordan vs Magic would be a match.

[TribeManiac10]

I'd take the Jordan 96-98 as the best ever,experience always wins out, but he might have lost a little of that explosive first step by then although his shooting also picked up to offset it, all this and I couldn't stand Jordan when he played and still don't care too much for him, but that's the way I see it.Now I do agree there could be somebody come along someday that could even be better,but we definitely have not seen him yet although Kobe would be closest IMO.And also he won an NBA Championship quicker than James in the NBA taking 8 years while it took James 10.And someone brought up clutch late game play and that's where the big separation between the two is,James is a great athlete no doubt but he doesn't have it between the ear's like the others.Even this year I witnessed him missing a lot of late game free throws and missing some late jump shots also during the playoffs

I use the age comparison rather than years in the league because for his first few years James was just a teenager out of high school trying to lead a team that was coming off the worst record in the league. I don't think anyone could have reasonably expected him to win a title his first three years. Jordan's first season in the league he was a 20-21 year old with three years of college experience. I will definitely concede the fact that Lebron is a bad free throw shooter most of the time. He and Dwyane Wade clanking shots from the stripe is one of the most frustrating things for a fan to watch in a close game. He did average 82.6% from the line in this past year's finals though, which is just 0.2% worse than Michael Jordan's career playoff average. His jump shot is pretty suspect as well but him moving into the post could help to cushion that disadvantage.

[C-Bolt]

TribeManiac10-----

I think we saw what Lebron could be. If he can show that consistently, then maybe the conversation changes. If he starts saying "Give me the ball" when there is 5 seconds left in the game and they need a shot for the tie or win on a consistent basis. He is fine letting Wade take those shots...He just needs that killer instinct on the court.

The Dallas series he just got frustrated, The Mavs played him perfect and made him dish the ball or take outside shots. We all know Lebron struggles from outside for the most part.

I thinks that's one reason he wanted out of Cleveland,he's just not comfortable playing the role as the "Man",he rather have other people around him to take the pressure off.Now that they got Ray Allen he won't have to rely on his inconsistent jump shot and he can play down low, rebound and run more,just give them the trophy now

[Raiderball]

MJ hands down.
Way to early in Lebron's career to even think about comparing the two.
I take Koby over Lebron also.
Lebron vs Magic...... NO COMPARISON. Magic hands down.

With the game on the line, Magic, MJ and Koby all want the ball in their hands.

In 10 years, maybe this will all change. I'm not sold though.

[bdubya]

When you saw Jordan, you watched what every team did differently to try and stop him. Rarely worked too.

Dallas anybody? And a better teammate than Michael?

MJ came out of retirement and gave up on a dream to help his guys win 3 more titles. LeBron tanked a Game 5 and went poo-diddles on 14 guys and 1 franchise during a live national TV show in order to reference a beach.

Like Mike, if I could be like Mike. Be like Mike.

[Orange and Brown]

Jordan scored 50 when he was 38, Lebron won't be playing at 38......

Jordan scored 10+ points in 866 consecutive games (NBA Record) Lebron will never do this...

Anyone who says Jordan was a horrible passer....Game 2 91 Finals, 13 assists. BTW he went 15 for 18 from the floor that game and the Bulls were down 0-1 to the Lakers. If the Bulls would have lost that game, the chances of the Lakers taking the next 2 in LA were very very high.

92 Finals game 1...Jordan scored 35 in a half (NBA RECORD which Ray Allen Broke) He only played 34 minutes in that game.....


How about the 55 points he scored in 93 against the Suns in Game 4?

The Flu game against the Jazz in the 97 Finals? 38 points and anyone who watched that game new Michael was sick as a dog...

1986 first round playoffs...Jordan scored 63 points against one of the greatest Celtic teams ever.. Bird, McHale, Parish, Walton..... If my memory serves me right. That game was at the Garden and the Celtics had lost only 1 home game the entire regular season.

How about Mikes last game as a Bull 97 finals, Game 6...Stocton hits a 3 with 41 seconds left putting the Jazz up 3 at home in one of the toughest places to play in the NBA.... Jordan races down the court drives the paint and scores within 4 seconds (Maybe it was 5 or 6)....Then the Bulls needed a turnover so Jordan stole the ball from the Mailman. Jordan hit the go ahead shot with 5 seconds to go. The Jazz missed there last shot. Jordan scored 45 or 46 points He played most of that game without Pippen who was very very sick at the time.

This is just sample of MJ's resume that I can recall off the top of my head.......

Lets have this discussion when Lebron James has a resume that looks like this!

[bdubya]

Honestly.

If LeBron ever wants to be greater than Jordan, then he needs to buy an NBA team, become the GM and win a few games.

That's the best chance he's ever going to have.

[p030303]

why is people comparing Lebron to Jordan?? if anyone should be compared to Jordan its Kobe!

[Dean]

Anybody who heard Coach K talk about Lebron knows that he thinks that Lebron should be in the discussion with MJ.

[dazed&confused]

just read through this string. That's 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back

[boilermaker]

Dont ,wont read all. This is not close ,Jordan easy!

[MeigsCountyGuy]

I am one of the biggest LeBron supporters out there. I love his game and I don't even hate him for leaving Cleveland. However, to compare him to the greatest player to ever lace up a pair of tennis shoes is crazy. No doubt, Lebron is better at certain aspects of the game, but any GM in the history of the game would rather have Jordan for 15 years. I love them both, but Jordan is and will always be the best.

[TribeManiac10]

I am one of the biggest LeBron supporters out there. I love his game and I don't even hate him for leaving Cleveland. However, to compare him to the greatest player to ever lace up a pair of tennis shoes is crazy. No doubt, Lebron is better at certain aspects of the game, but any GM in the history of the game would rather have Jordan for 15 years. I love them both, but Jordan is and will always be the best.

It will be interesting to see how perspectives change in 20 years.

[C-Bolt]

Lebron is a great player no doubt, but the thing that separates them was Jordan's will to win,James flat out quit in Cleveland when he knew he couldn't do it without more help,now he don't have to work as hard and when he has a bad night there is always wade,bosh,battier,chalmers to name a few who will pick him up, but if Jordan had a bad game which I never remember maybe pippen could have done it, but we'll never know cause Jordan never had a bad game his will to win was too great!Now James has it even easier with allen and lewis in there to pick him up in case he doesn't have it.He will get another ring this year with all them great players around him.Heck they might even break the Bulls record this year