Where do you think the Cavs will finish this season?

[Rebels on 3]

The old guys beat the Lakers twice this year once without Z. Shaq is old but he is also way bigger than Gasol and Bynum. Bynum is even slower than Shaq.

[BBallin fool]

They can win it all!!! But will they ???

[thecoach]

They can win it all!!! But will they ???

nope. LA or Orlando will

[Rebels on 3]

Orlando has struggled with the Bobcats. The Cavs have already proved that they can beat the Lakers by beating them two times this year.

[Rebels on 3]

LA is in trouble.

[tigerfan4life]

Uhmm Sorry i havent been around here to banter back and forth lately about the Cavs and Lakers but right now it looks like Cleveland may be in a little trouble and the lakers have an opponent (Suns) that they have historically dominated in the Playoffs...hoping for the Cleveland matchup but could be a rematch between us and the Celtics Or us and Orlando...Either way Cleveland has the biggest disadvantage right now (or Boston)

[Rebels on 3]

LA hasnt even played anyone yet. The Cavs and the Celts has been a good series but they are back in Cleveland now.When Denver lost LA had a easy road to get to the finals.But no matter who come out of the east the Lakers will not be able to beat them.It will either be the Cavs or the Magic and LA cant beat either one of those teams.

[tigerfan4life]

Yeah you can say that the lakers have had an easy road but pretty much anyone that made it in the Western Conference would of had Home Court in the Eastern if they were in the Eastern Conference..and they havent played anyone? Well they have a 3-0 lead on the Jazz who put out Denver.Alot of people though Denver could of went to the Finals this year. There are 3 good teams in the Eastern Conference..all still in There are 7 teams that you could consider good in the Western. The Lakers played a very hot OKC team and put them away in 6....Who did Cleveland play again in the first round....exactly...just like last year...but now they are struggling with boston in the 2nd round... they dont know how to close out and man up in the playoffs...Lakers do..its called Coaching. They have the only person that has ever done anything in the playoffs sitting the whole 4th quarter...pretty big mistake.
Lakers are the most talented Team and there season was a dissapointment to what it could of been but they are still the favorite to repeat. LeChoke is showing his true leadership. When it matters he fails. Im not saying thats not going to change but its all he has ever done....is choke. 7 Years and No Ring...best player ever ...right... Your losing more and more credability as you post. You change your position and opinion every 5 minutes depending on your confidence and whos backing what your saying... i misread a stat and i owned up to that but really man stay consistent

[Rebels on 3]

I have stayed consistent I said the Cavs would win the championship and they will. The Cavs played the Bulls in the first round which are way better than OKC and prob better than the Jazz. Boston is better than any team in the West besides LA. Also yes Kobe has rings, but compare his stats to Lebrons at the same age, Lebron is way above Kobe. Lebron is better because he make his team better. If you took Kobe off the Lakers they would still be a good team. If you took Lebron off the Cavs they wouldnt make the playoffs.Also I dont even have to mention back to back MVP awards.When Kobe won championships look at the team that he had to help him and then compare to what Lebrons working with.

[tigerfan4life]

Wow are you serious. So let me get this straight. At first you tryed to argue that Lebrons supporting Cast was Better then Kobes supporting Cast. Now you try to say that the Cavs would be nowhere without Lebron but the Lakers would still be a good team.

So which one were you wrong about

A That Lebron has the better supporting Cast
B The Cavs would go nowhere without Lebron

You really do not come up with anything on your own you just compile like 3 different sportscenter episodes and try to argue.

So How can Kobe and Lebron Cancel each other out and Kobe have a better supporting cast but yet the Cavs or a better overall team?

Idk how Cleveland Could be a lottery pick team with 4 All-Stars Which 2 have been league MVPs ... 5 IF Z ever was selected..

Anyway How do you get Chicago would Whip OKC when OKC won 9 more games in a much tougher conference. Maybe OKC of last year but they brought it this Season. Kevin Durant really turned that team around. The Season Series was 1-1... So Coming back and saying that the regular season doesnt matter . The playoffs are what matters would only help my case out more.

Comparing Stats Kobe put up 30ppg in his 7th Season and this year Lebron put up 29.7 and Kobe was a team with young Shaq and Derek so his #'s Couldnt really be inflated like Lebrons Rebounding and Assists are. By this time in Kobes Career he already had 3 Rings. If you want to say he had help Show me a team that didnt have two good players that won a championship. Michael had Pippen and Rodman. Kobe had Shaq.Dwayne had Shaq. Tim Had Tony and Manu. Boston has the Big 3 which is i guess now 4 by sports experts even though Rondo feeds off the other 3..

Kobe Came into a Championship Caliber Team and Lebron Came to a team that had to be built around him. He didnt have to wait behind Eddie Jones. He took a little bit longer to develop because he wasnt the beast of an athlete lebron was when he was 18 and never was that athletic but has always been a more fundementally sound basketball player. Lebron has shot 74.2% from the Line to Kobes 83.8. Lebron has more layups and Dunks in one season to 3 of Kobes and only has a 2% advantage from the field. Kobe takes alot tougher shots then Lebron and there isnt that much of an advantage. Kobe shoots 34% from the arc and Lebron shoots 32.9... Lebron had a better year this year but Kobe is playing with 3 different injurys and is still performing great.I could go on all day but you you cant.
You will run out of bandwagon slogans to say about Lebron.

[Rebels on 3]

For one I'm not a bandwagon Lebron fan, been watchin Lebron since he was a junior in highschool. Also you said OKC is better than the Bulls, you are wrong only reason you say that is cause they almost beat the Lakers. All they have is Durant thats it. The Bulls have Rose one of the best in the NBA, Noah a good big man, Deng a good spot up shooter, and Kirk also a good spot up shooter. Also the West is not near as good as the East. The west has LA, and Denver thats it, Dallas is ok. But take a look at the east with the Cavs, Magic, Boston, ATL. You see how far Denver and Dallas made it so that should tell you something.OKC took the Lakers six games theres something wrong with that picture.If OKC can take the Lakers to 6 then the Cavs will sweep the Lakers. I will say it again Lebron is better than Kobe because Lebron makes his team better. Just looked up some stats for you, in Kobes first 7 years he had a total of 10,658 points, and 2,060 assist. Lebron had 15,251 points and 3,811 assist. 4,593 more points than Kobe, 1,751 more assist. Also Lebron in his first 7 has scored over 2,000 six times, Kobe in his first 7 scored over 2,000 two times. I think Lebron is just a little better. I can go all day, you cant.

[tigerfan4life]

Man your really losing alot of credibility.
Its not very hard to see that the Western Conference is better.
FYI Atlanta is Down 3-0..Denver just got beat by utah who is facing a sweep by L.A.
Things dont work that way. Teams have strengths and weaknesses and some teams matchup better then other teams.
Utah would be giving any other team in the western conference hell. Its all about matchups and Boston always gives Cleveland hell because they know how to defend lebron. Just like the Pistons knew how to defend Jordan. You really have no idea what your talking about because you are blinded by your love for Lechoke the Cavs. And everyone in Ohio was a fan of Lebrons when he was in High School. Just like you were a fan of Mayos if you lived in Southern Ohio.

Never answered my question. Which one of your statements are wrong? A or B?

[Rebels on 3]

Ok the answer is neither Lebron has a better supporting cast when he is on the floor, and the Cavs prob wouldnt go .500 without Lebron. I do live in Southeastern Ohio, Mayo is good but never really was a fan of him. I noticed that you did say anything about my stats I got for you. Did you have to go check them out before you would say anything about them.Also I have lost no cred. Every thing I have posted is a good arguement. Also the two best teams in the East are better than the two best teams in the West.

[tigerfan4life]

I didnt see your stats or i would of answered to them.
As ive already said Kobe Came into a Championship Caliber Team and Lebron Came to a team that had to be built around him. He didnt have to wait behind Eddie Jones. He took a little bit longer to develop because he wasnt the beast of an athlete lebron was when he was 18 and never was that athletic but has always been a more fundementally sound basketball player. He had other guys that were just as good or better that he had to distribute points and touches with as to lebron had no one. Lebron was also more athletically gifted which enabled him to do more just off of raw talent. No argument there lebron is easily more talentally gifted then anyone that has ever played. He is a freak of an athlete no argument there. As far as a basketball player Kobe is better and has a more rounded game. Lebron does some of the banger work due to his athleticism and yet is the focus of the offense. Kobe has a team for that which is why the lakers are better.
In Kobes first 2 seasons combining stats in minutes he played 41 minutes and 30 seconds a game Lebron in his sole first season played 39 minutes 30 seconds so there is one lost season already. Lebron missed 26 games in his first 7 seasons Kobe missed 68 games which comes to another 42 games which is half a season which also puts lebron over the top on Kobe. Lebron played under 40 mpg 3 times while kobe played over 40 mpg twice which will also add to his total stats. All you can pretty much say about that is Kobe gets injured more which he does which now he has played through his injuries or that Lebron was more developed physically then kobe was at that time.

Lets see Lebron score 35 ppg in a season or put up 81 points in a game or 62 in 3 quarters or 30 points in a single quarter. Lets see Lebrons 3 Rings in his first 5 seasons.

Nice answer by the way if you werent worthless on commenting about the NBA maybe you could of said Lebron Opens up the floor when he drives which leaves his teamates wide open to where most defenders cant get back on their man in time Which wont work on Boston due to their defensive scheme they have. Wont work on the Lakers Due to Ron artest and Lamar Odoms athleticism and defense. Wont Work on Orlando due to the beast called Dwight Howard.Wasnt that effective on Charlotte due to their speed as a team.

It's Sad i know your team in and out better then you do but yet you try to argue with me

[Rebels on 3]

How do you know my team better than me you said nothing to prove that you just said the same thing I did in different words

[Just_A_Fan]

I'd take kobe all day, even more so when the games on the line and you need someone to hit a last second shot.


I've been thinking do you think that Boston will make a move to try to get Leborn. I know Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are going to be free agents at the end of this year. With Paul getting hurt more and more maybe Boston dont re-sign him and Ray Ray would that open enough room for Boston to make a move for Leborn. Either way I see alot moves happening this offseason.

[tigerfan4life]

Simple I was once a fan of Lebron until he started becoming a cry baby and everyone started worshipping him building a church for him. The Hype is overbearing and thats all hes been so far. Sure he has 2 MVPs but thats all he does have. I have been a witness to that and 7 seasons of early exits and no rings while he is supposed to be"according to east coast media and his fans" the best player ever. His Antics are unbearable. "im the best and im changing my number and im better then everyone else in the league that wears 23 so they should change #'s to"(not exactly how it went but how most people perceived it.I'm to good to shake your hand after we lose. Its hard being a lakers fan to because when you get on forums you see the idiots that worship L.A. But at least Kobe doesnt consistently display his arrogance and keeps it to himself. But Cleveland hasnt had a good thing going for them in a long time and people act like they are gods when they still havent done anything yet. They act like we celebrate easter and christmas and go to church because of Lebron.

And yes I said something that you could of said if you actually knew anything about basketball besides what you read and hear.

Just_A_Fan- Good question but it would be hard seeing him in green. Maybe because he might bring in a ring because boston knows how to win but you take out ray you lose the philosophy of the big 3. Lose Pierce and it might Work. Just as good as any other possibility other than a New York destination. Is there talk of Boston trying to get Bosh?

[3morethan2]

cavs wont even make it to the finals theyll lose to boston or orlando, lebron's so called supporting cast aint as good as people think and mike brown isnt a good coach either, he doesnt know how to play his rotations, jj hickson should be playing more and shaq should be playing less if shaq isnt on the floor they can run and be more aggressive instead of shaq plugging the middle up and no way does lebron go to boston and there is no chance pierce goes some place else after 12 years he'll stay in boston because of loyalty

[Rebels on 3]

Mike Brown is not a real good coach. His team makes him look good.If I were him I would have Lebron on Rondo, Mo on Allen, Jamison on Pierce, Hickson on KG, And Shaq on Perkins. I dont Know why he keeps Parker on the Floor, yes he can shot the 3 ball, but not a good defender. The battle between whos better Lebron or Kobe will go on forever. Kobe is a better shooter, Lebron is explosive and makes people want to watch. The only reason I say Lebron is better than Kobe is because he makes his team better. Dont get me wrong Kobe is one of the best to ever play the game.Still think the Cavs will win it all.

[thecoach]

If Cleveland is lucky enough to get past Boston, then they will lose to Orlando in 6 games or less. Not because Orlando is well rested, because Cleveland just isn't that good. If you think that Cleveland will beat Orlando, LA or Phoenix at this point then you might as well quit watching because you will be disappointed.