Jim Tressel (just a little research)

[seofan_via_dublin]

Is anyone going to list the other team's losses since the start of 2005 for me? Find someone with 7 or less and then let's compare quality.

No they won't, because it won't serve their cause.

I will though, and I'll go back to 2004.
From 2004 till present week, only three teams have lost less games than OSU.
They are Texas, USC, and Boise St.
Here is who they lost to.

Texas
2007
K State (5-7), Oklahoma (11-3), Texas A&M (7-6)
2006
Ohio State (12-1), K State (7-6), Texas A&M (9-4)
2005
Undefeated National Title
2004
Oklahoma (12-1)

USC
2008
Oregon State
2007
Stanford (4-8), Oregon (9-4)
2006
Oregon St (10-4), UCLA (7-6)
2005
Texas (13-0) Lost in title game
2004
Undefeated National Champs

Boise St.
2007
Washington (4-9), Hawaii (12-1), East Carolina (8-5)
2006
Undefeated
2005
Georgia (10-3), Oregon St. (5-6), Fresno st. (8-5), Boston College (9-3)
2004
Louisville (11-2)

Now as for OSU from 2004 to present

OSU
2008
USC (one loss top 5), PSU (unbeaten likely NC game)
2007
Illinois (9-4 Rose Bowl), LSU (12-2 National Champion)
2006
Florida (13-1 National Champion)
2005
Texas (13-0 National Champion), PSU (11-1 BCS Bowl)
2004
Northwestern (6-6), Wisconsin (9-3), Iowa (10-2)

In that span OSU has lost to 9 teams, those teams have combined to lose only 20 games together.
Texas has lost to 7 teams, those teams have lost a combined 28 games
USC has lost to 6 teams, but those teams have combined for 25 losses.
also, Boise has lost to 8 teams, but those teams have combined for 34 losses.

OSU has lost to three eventual National Champions in that span, and 4 other BCS game qualifiers.
6 of their 9 losses have came away from the shoe.

[Just_A_Fan]

IMO I don't think you find another coach that would be an upgrade over JT. Maybe and MAYBE an SEC coach like Ubran, Les, or The Ol Ball Coach (I really think he's kinda lost his touch)

[Yossarian]

You know the old saying about wishing for things. IMO, if he has a fault coach Tressel may be TOO loyal to those around him ie: M. Wells, coach_____. He is a man of character, and loyalty. I would take that any day over any of the coaches mentioned above. There is more to a school's reputation than wins and losses. As an example I'd be willing to bet that the school up north has second thoughts about RR both on the field and off.

[Just_A_Fan]

The school up North doesn't have second thoughts RR and Michigan just agree to a 6 year contract paying 2.5 a year.

[Yossarian]

Oh my bad, I had forgotten ANY publicity is good publicity these days. I'm sure it has turned out just the way they had anticipated. I'm glad they are happy with it.

[JChipwood]

Ultimately it is JT's job on the line, not yours or mine and not the players. He is GREAT for tOSU, nobody can dispute that. His faults do include loyalty which i agree is not a horrible thing but if loyalty threatens job security then the reality is that it gets in the way of doing the job completely. tOSU has a tradition and when we refer to that tradition we refer to winning, yes we are winning right now but any fool, including Mark May, can see that our guys are flat at times and anyone can see that guys come in stud recruits and not get a whole lot better. This happens everywhere and is mainly due to work ethic and goals set forth by the players but across the board, our guys do not improve like they are being taught technique as well as they once were or as well as at other schools. We are tOSU and should have teaching coaches and quality assistants to develop good game plans. JT should be committed to surrounding himself with great coaches.

[tl895]

i overheard last night at the ironton westfall game the o coordinator at osu is probably gone after this year. they want to let him go out quietly as he is considered almost family. this is from a very good source.

[seofan_via_dublin]

I'm still waiting for a short list on who would be acceptable to replace Tressel. This short list must include those who would actually entertain an offer. OSU would no doubt be deluged with those interested. The problem is who would be considered an upgrade?

Most Buckeye fans wanted Glenn Mason or Walt Harris to replace John Cooper.

Those who didn't follow D1-AA football were dumbfounded and not exactly happy
with the choice to go with Jim Tressel.

I've been a part of this board for a little over 3 years, and I can remember having
long drawn out arguements with people who still thought Mason would have
been doing a better job. Keep in mind this is after the 02 title, and 4 victories against Michigan in 5 tries.

In order to define "better" we need to look at what you want in a coach.

Is it more aggressive play calling, yes then you could find a better coach.
---but that coach would be ridiculed for having a team that made too many mistakes,
---and when they lost games they shouldn't people would be mad. (See Pete Carol)

Is it being more open about what goes on.
---Yes you could find a better coach, but then we'd miss the cryptogram that is Jim Tressel.

Is it being able to win "the big game" more consistantly.
---In the NCAA if you lose twice you're out of the National title picture in 98% of years.
---Tressel has played for 3 National Titles in 6 years. Something no other coach can say.
---They're considered "Big Games" because there is a higher probability of a loss, Tressel
---has won his fair share as well.

Is it being able to shape young men's lives into great individuals.
---You'd be very hard pressed at finding anyone at any level better than Tressel.

Is it producing NFL talent.
---Nope, Tressel consistantly produces as much or more NFL talent than other schools.

So, I ask to anyone doubting Tressel's system, what do you want in a coach that Tressel doesn't offer?

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I'm still waiting for a short list on who would be acceptable to replace Tressel. This short list must include those who would actually entertain an offer. OSU would no doubt be deluged with those interested. The problem is who would be considered an upgrade?

Most Buckeye fans wanted Glenn Mason or Walt Harris to replace John Cooper.

Those who didn't follow D1-AA football were dumbfounded and not exactly happy
with the choice to go with Jim Tressel.

I've been a part of this board for a little over 3 years, and I can remember having
long drawn out arguements with people who still thought Mason would have
been doing a better job. Keep in mind this is after the 02 title, and 4 victories against Michigan in 5 tries.

In order to define "better" we need to look at what you want in a coach.

Is it more aggressive play calling, yes then you could find a better coach.
---but that coach would be ridiculed for having a team that made too many mistakes,
---and when they lost games they shouldn't people would be mad. (See Pete Carol)

Is it being more open about what goes on.
---Yes you could find a better coach, but then we'd miss the cryptogram that is Jim Tressel.

Is it being able to win "the big game" more consistantly.
---In the NCAA if you lose twice you're out of the National title picture in 98% of years.
---Tressel has played for 3 National Titles in 6 years. Something no other coach can say.
---They're considered "Big Games" because there is a higher probability of a loss, Tressel
---has won his fair share as well.

Is it being able to shape young men's lives into great individuals.
---You'd be very hard pressed at finding anyone at any level better than Tressel.

Is it producing NFL talent.
---Nope, Tressel consistantly produces as much or more NFL talent than other schools.

So, I ask to anyone doubting Tressel's system, what do you want in a coach that Tressel doesn't offer?

THANK YOU! People are mad because they've lost a few games. But the OSU Student-Athletes are becoming GREAT individuals and they are beating Michigan and consistently in the big games!

People are greedy and just don't realize how nice they have it. You want a more open offense? and You want it now? Ask Michigan how that change is working.....