Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
For the people who doubt that my post has any credibility, here is a similar post by a very credible poster (whom I have had many different conversations with), and his take from a pretty-much first hand perspective.
AAir-michigan.scout.com---you can't read it unless you pay 15.99 a month to gobluewolverine.
I should have done this a long time ago. This is my account of the RR "transition" based on conversations and information told to me by former and current player. This is to set some records straight, not debate. let's move the f on!
We here on this board knew more about the coaching search as it was going on than the team did. For example players never knew a darn thing about Greg S or how close he was to being their coach and most the guys found out about RR from me.
With that said all the guys assumed and heard Les Miles was going to be the coach all along. They were darn excited about Les coming in. He was having a hell of a year and he's a players type of coach, bottom line from their prospective Les is a cool coach, he has swag he talks sh*t, runs a good system, and wears his hat with a gangster lean.
when the state of the players was that the players assumed Les was gona be the man everyone was excited, there wasn't a single impact kid who was questioning weather the Les situation was going to work for them or not. All the guys I talked with said all the guys were excited about Les and viewed it as a huge upgrade.
At this time talks by certain close to the program-knowledgeable about football-knowledgeable about les individuals spoke directly to Adrian, Ryan and MM. The talks were presented as messages straight from Les, weather they were or not who knows...But they were specific and done by old guard-close to the program guys so they very well could have been straight from les..if not they were certainly on his behalf.
In these talks Adrian was Dwayne Bowe and Ryan was JaMarcus Russell, MM of course was Early Doucet. Les was focused on bring in the shotgun spreading the field and modernizing the Michigan passing game(which is exactly what these guys had been begging for!). Adrian and MM were also told that there off field mistakes would be of no consequence and the slate was clean. In these talks there was also a lot of NFL discussion and the entire trio felt their NFL future would be helped a GREAT deal by les.
As it stood, with Les coming in. Ryan and Adrian were LOCKS to stay PERIOD anyone who says different is incorrect.
MM was 50.1% in beaver speak and both Adrian and Ryan were pretty confident that with a little more work MM was going to be back as well.
Fast Fwd a little bit and recall how we found out about RR...Remember it was from TP through a recruiting analyst. So, RR first duty as head man was to get TP, where Les was already focused on getting the RM-AA-MM trio locked down...pretty much sums it up right there.
First reaction from AA-RM on RR was not good at all. First it was disappointment because they thought their dream situation was signed sealed and delivered. Second was not wanting to play in and feeling they didn't fit in RR's system. AA reached out to a close friend(a guy who could speak on the carr to RR transition first hand) for his take on RR. the friends take was simple- hell of a coach! BUT you'll hate him, his approach his practice structure, and his ego-you'll hate it all...oh yeah and Barwis is freaking god, he'll change your life!
At this point RR had an up hill battle for RM and MM. I'll repeat- RR being RR, his system pretty much guaranteed RM and MM would move on.
With that said I used information from this board and customized write up from coachbt to sell RM and AA on RR's ability to run his "Tulane system". RM and AA both took the time to look at some of the things RR did in his past but it was still a hell of a up hill battle to keep RM.
At that point RM was looking for RR to recruit him the way he was recruited in HS. Had RR done that and done it well my percentage based on talks with RM would have still been below 50% for RM coming back.
RR did not do this. He did not sell RM the "I will adapt my system" bs that he sold the media, that some in here actually believed (which is why some in here were shocked at how thing turned out). Of all the things RR needed to do to keep RM, he did none of them! That along all the TP talk made RM choice an easy one, and the right one PERIOD!
So that ends the chapter on RM. Here is the RM file- RM was too good for his own good. He was a young cocky gunslinger he had no doubt that he was going to be very successful. Did that rub some guys wrong, of course, but it was the guys that don't matter, the guys who aren't as good, the ones we call haters these days. The leaders of our team loved RM approach- the AA's the Henne's and the Hart's liked Ryan alot as a player and off the field and LIKED the fact he was cocky and viewed him as a future great leader. Ryan was also the recruiting hostess with the mostess- the young guys loved him, ask B.Smith about the time he spent with RM on his official that sealed the deal for him.
The whole guys didn't like RM is a myth, Period. the only beef he ever had was with MM and at that point MM had fallen out of favor of his teammates and the leaders took RM side.
Second the whole Ryan was gone before RR got their is kinda true, kinda not. Ryan had already decided and was excited to stay on for Les. Then he decided he was most likely going to leave because of RR system. RR had a chance to woo him but he didn't so RM did the right thing.
On to RR. First RR on RM- RR could have recruited and woo-d RM, he didn't. Why he didn't was obvious to RM, AA and me at the time and is still now. RR is a good man and wasn't going to sell RM on a "Tulane system" when there wasn't going to be one. RR made it clear by his actions and lack of actions that TP was his guy and the spread option was his system. And I give RR a lot of credit for doing what he did- the way he handled the situation made me a fan.
RR on AA. AA's decision was going to be based on RM's decision. AA wanted to come back. AA tried to talk RM into coming back but when push came to shove he let RM walk because he knew it was the right thing to do for RM. AA wanted to come back so bad that even when he knew RM wasn't coming back he drove from CR to A2 for a meeting just hoping someone would tell him the right things. No one did. It was made clear to AA that the spread option was the plan. And with no disrespect, AA knew our QB crew was going to be exactly what they were this year. AA made the right choice. Could RR have woo-d AA into staying probably but RR made it clear he wasn't in the business of selling false dreams.
RR on adapting. RR had no plans to adapt. His statements were just the PC thing at the time. RR was brought into do what RR does. That was the deal PERIOD. And what I commend RR for most is not lying to any of these kids about it. He chose to be honest and lost RM then AA because of it.
RR the wrecking ball- RR came in and treated the Michigan program the same way he would of Toledo if he took that job. 9-4 and a bowl win against Florida meant nothing to him, the talent already in place meant nothing to him. He came in hell bent on putting in his system in asap with no regard with what that meant to current players, the 2008 season, the old guard, or the media.
It was this approach that caused feathers to ruffle, I can only speak of players cuz that all i know. Rich Rod was D*ck Rod in the off season. Players didn't like him at all, their reaction to him was exactly what a former carr to RR transition participant said it would be. Even as the season started RR had very few fans in his own club house.
I don't blame this entirely on RR because the culture shock was too much for a group of kids that were told so many things en route to UM. Anybody bringing RR's system in would have faced the same problems. However, RR approach was too extreme he did not handle the situation perfectly and he certainly shouldn't get a complete free pass. And I'm sure RR would be a little more gentle if he could do it over.
As far as RR goes the point I want to emphasis is that the agreement was for RR to come to UM and do what RR does. there was never any transition or adaption plan. And it was a lack of that plan that was the majority of the cause for everything negative, from attrition, to RM & AA, and the record this season.
RR's approach the good and bad-
The good is that he is so confident in his system that he wanted to get it in full gear day 1. And I commend him for treating the RM AA situation with honesty. A transition plan would have been helpful record, attrition, and PR wise in the short term. however, a transition plan would not get us where we want to be in 2010-2011-2012.
The bad- his wrecking ball approach was a little over the top and he didn't survey the landscape the was UM football enough. He should have been a bit more gentle coming in.
From my prospective over this year I have gained a great deal of respect for RR and even more so a great deal of confidence. I believe more so than ever he was the right hire and exactly what this program needed.
with that said I completely understand where those not happy with him are coming from, but your aiming you anger in the wrong direction...if you want to be upset with someone be upset with Bill Martin and the hiring committee for choosing what they should have known was going to be a radical change.
This is the response from Tombeaver the editor of the site.
there's a lot of truth
and, like Purm says, it's from one perspective -- it's a great players-perspective post of things for the most part
are far as Martin and what he did and the committee ... boy that's complicated, and has several different perspectives to it ... all sides would say it was very messy
what I like most about the post - it has a "let's-move-on" upshot to it, and is supportive of the future.
I also like that no one is put in a bad light ... everyone acted as best they knew how - players, RR, everyone
even IMO as far as RR 'adjusting to the players he has' ... there actually WAS a lot of that for the '08 team - mainly very little QB-running-ball
AAir-michigan.scout.com---you can't read it unless you pay 15.99 a month to gobluewolverine.
I should have done this a long time ago. This is my account of the RR "transition" based on conversations and information told to me by former and current player. This is to set some records straight, not debate. let's move the f on!
We here on this board knew more about the coaching search as it was going on than the team did. For example players never knew a darn thing about Greg S or how close he was to being their coach and most the guys found out about RR from me.
With that said all the guys assumed and heard Les Miles was going to be the coach all along. They were darn excited about Les coming in. He was having a hell of a year and he's a players type of coach, bottom line from their prospective Les is a cool coach, he has swag he talks sh*t, runs a good system, and wears his hat with a gangster lean.
when the state of the players was that the players assumed Les was gona be the man everyone was excited, there wasn't a single impact kid who was questioning weather the Les situation was going to work for them or not. All the guys I talked with said all the guys were excited about Les and viewed it as a huge upgrade.
At this time talks by certain close to the program-knowledgeable about football-knowledgeable about les individuals spoke directly to Adrian, Ryan and MM. The talks were presented as messages straight from Les, weather they were or not who knows...But they were specific and done by old guard-close to the program guys so they very well could have been straight from les..if not they were certainly on his behalf.
In these talks Adrian was Dwayne Bowe and Ryan was JaMarcus Russell, MM of course was Early Doucet. Les was focused on bring in the shotgun spreading the field and modernizing the Michigan passing game(which is exactly what these guys had been begging for!). Adrian and MM were also told that there off field mistakes would be of no consequence and the slate was clean. In these talks there was also a lot of NFL discussion and the entire trio felt their NFL future would be helped a GREAT deal by les.
As it stood, with Les coming in. Ryan and Adrian were LOCKS to stay PERIOD anyone who says different is incorrect.
MM was 50.1% in beaver speak and both Adrian and Ryan were pretty confident that with a little more work MM was going to be back as well.
Fast Fwd a little bit and recall how we found out about RR...Remember it was from TP through a recruiting analyst. So, RR first duty as head man was to get TP, where Les was already focused on getting the RM-AA-MM trio locked down...pretty much sums it up right there.
First reaction from AA-RM on RR was not good at all. First it was disappointment because they thought their dream situation was signed sealed and delivered. Second was not wanting to play in and feeling they didn't fit in RR's system. AA reached out to a close friend(a guy who could speak on the carr to RR transition first hand) for his take on RR. the friends take was simple- hell of a coach! BUT you'll hate him, his approach his practice structure, and his ego-you'll hate it all...oh yeah and Barwis is freaking god, he'll change your life!
At this point RR had an up hill battle for RM and MM. I'll repeat- RR being RR, his system pretty much guaranteed RM and MM would move on.
With that said I used information from this board and customized write up from coachbt to sell RM and AA on RR's ability to run his "Tulane system". RM and AA both took the time to look at some of the things RR did in his past but it was still a hell of a up hill battle to keep RM.
At that point RM was looking for RR to recruit him the way he was recruited in HS. Had RR done that and done it well my percentage based on talks with RM would have still been below 50% for RM coming back.
RR did not do this. He did not sell RM the "I will adapt my system" bs that he sold the media, that some in here actually believed (which is why some in here were shocked at how thing turned out). Of all the things RR needed to do to keep RM, he did none of them! That along all the TP talk made RM choice an easy one, and the right one PERIOD!
So that ends the chapter on RM. Here is the RM file- RM was too good for his own good. He was a young cocky gunslinger he had no doubt that he was going to be very successful. Did that rub some guys wrong, of course, but it was the guys that don't matter, the guys who aren't as good, the ones we call haters these days. The leaders of our team loved RM approach- the AA's the Henne's and the Hart's liked Ryan alot as a player and off the field and LIKED the fact he was cocky and viewed him as a future great leader. Ryan was also the recruiting hostess with the mostess- the young guys loved him, ask B.Smith about the time he spent with RM on his official that sealed the deal for him.
The whole guys didn't like RM is a myth, Period. the only beef he ever had was with MM and at that point MM had fallen out of favor of his teammates and the leaders took RM side.
Second the whole Ryan was gone before RR got their is kinda true, kinda not. Ryan had already decided and was excited to stay on for Les. Then he decided he was most likely going to leave because of RR system. RR had a chance to woo him but he didn't so RM did the right thing.
On to RR. First RR on RM- RR could have recruited and woo-d RM, he didn't. Why he didn't was obvious to RM, AA and me at the time and is still now. RR is a good man and wasn't going to sell RM on a "Tulane system" when there wasn't going to be one. RR made it clear by his actions and lack of actions that TP was his guy and the spread option was his system. And I give RR a lot of credit for doing what he did- the way he handled the situation made me a fan.
RR on AA. AA's decision was going to be based on RM's decision. AA wanted to come back. AA tried to talk RM into coming back but when push came to shove he let RM walk because he knew it was the right thing to do for RM. AA wanted to come back so bad that even when he knew RM wasn't coming back he drove from CR to A2 for a meeting just hoping someone would tell him the right things. No one did. It was made clear to AA that the spread option was the plan. And with no disrespect, AA knew our QB crew was going to be exactly what they were this year. AA made the right choice. Could RR have woo-d AA into staying probably but RR made it clear he wasn't in the business of selling false dreams.
RR on adapting. RR had no plans to adapt. His statements were just the PC thing at the time. RR was brought into do what RR does. That was the deal PERIOD. And what I commend RR for most is not lying to any of these kids about it. He chose to be honest and lost RM then AA because of it.
RR the wrecking ball- RR came in and treated the Michigan program the same way he would of Toledo if he took that job. 9-4 and a bowl win against Florida meant nothing to him, the talent already in place meant nothing to him. He came in hell bent on putting in his system in asap with no regard with what that meant to current players, the 2008 season, the old guard, or the media.
It was this approach that caused feathers to ruffle, I can only speak of players cuz that all i know. Rich Rod was D*ck Rod in the off season. Players didn't like him at all, their reaction to him was exactly what a former carr to RR transition participant said it would be. Even as the season started RR had very few fans in his own club house.
I don't blame this entirely on RR because the culture shock was too much for a group of kids that were told so many things en route to UM. Anybody bringing RR's system in would have faced the same problems. However, RR approach was too extreme he did not handle the situation perfectly and he certainly shouldn't get a complete free pass. And I'm sure RR would be a little more gentle if he could do it over.
As far as RR goes the point I want to emphasis is that the agreement was for RR to come to UM and do what RR does. there was never any transition or adaption plan. And it was a lack of that plan that was the majority of the cause for everything negative, from attrition, to RM & AA, and the record this season.
RR's approach the good and bad-
The good is that he is so confident in his system that he wanted to get it in full gear day 1. And I commend him for treating the RM AA situation with honesty. A transition plan would have been helpful record, attrition, and PR wise in the short term. however, a transition plan would not get us where we want to be in 2010-2011-2012.
The bad- his wrecking ball approach was a little over the top and he didn't survey the landscape the was UM football enough. He should have been a bit more gentle coming in.
From my prospective over this year I have gained a great deal of respect for RR and even more so a great deal of confidence. I believe more so than ever he was the right hire and exactly what this program needed.
with that said I completely understand where those not happy with him are coming from, but your aiming you anger in the wrong direction...if you want to be upset with someone be upset with Bill Martin and the hiring committee for choosing what they should have known was going to be a radical change.
This is the response from Tombeaver the editor of the site.
there's a lot of truth
and, like Purm says, it's from one perspective -- it's a great players-perspective post of things for the most part
are far as Martin and what he did and the committee ... boy that's complicated, and has several different perspectives to it ... all sides would say it was very messy
what I like most about the post - it has a "let's-move-on" upshot to it, and is supportive of the future.
I also like that no one is put in a bad light ... everyone acted as best they knew how - players, RR, everyone
even IMO as far as RR 'adjusting to the players he has' ... there actually WAS a lot of that for the '08 team - mainly very little QB-running-ball
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Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
OSU got TP and that is the best thing to happen to the Bucks. He didn't go to Michigan for some reason like alot of the ones who left. I'm sure RR would have sold his left kidney to get TP. Now, all Michigan does is say they didn't want him anyway. 
Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
I don't think I know very many people who have said that they didn't want TP.
I have no clue what this implies. Some have left because of the system, some because of academics, etc.
He didn't go to Michigan for some reason like alot of the ones who left
I have no clue what this implies. Some have left because of the system, some because of academics, etc.
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Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
peake wrote:For the people who doubt that my post has any credibility, here is a similar post by a very credible poster (whom I have had many different conversations with), and his take from a pretty-much first hand perspective.
AAir-michigan.scout.com---you can't read it unless you pay 15.99 a month to gobluewolverine.
I should have done this a long time ago. This is my account of the RR "transition" based on conversations and information told to me by former and current player. This is to set some records straight, not debate. let's move the f on!
We here on this board knew more about the coaching search as it was going on than the team did. For example players never knew a darn thing about Greg S or how close he was to being their coach and most the guys found out about RR from me.
With that said all the guys assumed and heard Les Miles was going to be the coach all along. They were darn excited about Les coming in. He was having a hell of a year and he's a players type of coach, bottom line from their prospective Les is a cool coach, he has swag he talks sh*t, runs a good system, and wears his hat with a gangster lean.
when the state of the players was that the players assumed Les was gona be the man everyone was excited, there wasn't a single impact kid who was questioning weather the Les situation was going to work for them or not. All the guys I talked with said all the guys were excited about Les and viewed it as a huge upgrade.
At this time talks by certain close to the program-knowledgeable about football-knowledgeable about les individuals spoke directly to Adrian, Ryan and MM. The talks were presented as messages straight from Les, weather they were or not who knows...But they were specific and done by old guard-close to the program guys so they very well could have been straight from les..if not they were certainly on his behalf.
In these talks Adrian was Dwayne Bowe and Ryan was JaMarcus Russell, MM of course was Early Doucet. Les was focused on bring in the shotgun spreading the field and modernizing the Michigan passing game(which is exactly what these guys had been begging for!). Adrian and MM were also told that there off field mistakes would be of no consequence and the slate was clean. In these talks there was also a lot of NFL discussion and the entire trio felt their NFL future would be helped a GREAT deal by les.
As it stood, with Les coming in. Ryan and Adrian were LOCKS to stay PERIOD anyone who says different is incorrect.
MM was 50.1% in beaver speak and both Adrian and Ryan were pretty confident that with a little more work MM was going to be back as well.
Fast Fwd a little bit and recall how we found out about RR...Remember it was from TP through a recruiting analyst. So, RR first duty as head man was to get TP, where Les was already focused on getting the RM-AA-MM trio locked down...pretty much sums it up right there.
First reaction from AA-RM on RR was not good at all. First it was disappointment because they thought their dream situation was signed sealed and delivered. Second was not wanting to play in and feeling they didn't fit in RR's system. AA reached out to a close friend(a guy who could speak on the carr to RR transition first hand) for his take on RR. the friends take was simple- hell of a coach! BUT you'll hate him, his approach his practice structure, and his ego-you'll hate it all...oh yeah and Barwis is freaking god, he'll change your life!
At this point RR had an up hill battle for RM and MM. I'll repeat- RR being RR, his system pretty much guaranteed RM and MM would move on.
With that said I used information from this board and customized write up from coachbt to sell RM and AA on RR's ability to run his "Tulane system". RM and AA both took the time to look at some of the things RR did in his past but it was still a hell of a up hill battle to keep RM.
At that point RM was looking for RR to recruit him the way he was recruited in HS. Had RR done that and done it well my percentage based on talks with RM would have still been below 50% for RM coming back.
RR did not do this. He did not sell RM the "I will adapt my system" bs that he sold the media, that some in here actually believed (which is why some in here were shocked at how thing turned out). Of all the things RR needed to do to keep RM, he did none of them! That along all the TP talk made RM choice an easy one, and the right one PERIOD!
So that ends the chapter on RM. Here is the RM file- RM was too good for his own good. He was a young cocky gunslinger he had no doubt that he was going to be very successful. Did that rub some guys wrong, of course, but it was the guys that don't matter, the guys who aren't as good, the ones we call haters these days. The leaders of our team loved RM approach- the AA's the Henne's and the Hart's liked Ryan alot as a player and off the field and LIKED the fact he was cocky and viewed him as a future great leader. Ryan was also the recruiting hostess with the mostess- the young guys loved him, ask B.Smith about the time he spent with RM on his official that sealed the deal for him.
The whole guys didn't like RM is a myth, Period. the only beef he ever had was with MM and at that point MM had fallen out of favor of his teammates and the leaders took RM side.
Second the whole Ryan was gone before RR got their is kinda true, kinda not. Ryan had already decided and was excited to stay on for Les. Then he decided he was most likely going to leave because of RR system. RR had a chance to woo him but he didn't so RM did the right thing.
On to RR. First RR on RM- RR could have recruited and woo-d RM, he didn't. Why he didn't was obvious to RM, AA and me at the time and is still now. RR is a good man and wasn't going to sell RM on a "Tulane system" when there wasn't going to be one. RR made it clear by his actions and lack of actions that TP was his guy and the spread option was his system. And I give RR a lot of credit for doing what he did- the way he handled the situation made me a fan.
RR on AA. AA's decision was going to be based on RM's decision. AA wanted to come back. AA tried to talk RM into coming back but when push came to shove he let RM walk because he knew it was the right thing to do for RM. AA wanted to come back so bad that even when he knew RM wasn't coming back he drove from CR to A2 for a meeting just hoping someone would tell him the right things. No one did. It was made clear to AA that the spread option was the plan. And with no disrespect, AA knew our QB crew was going to be exactly what they were this year. AA made the right choice. Could RR have woo-d AA into staying probably but RR made it clear he wasn't in the business of selling false dreams.
RR on adapting. RR had no plans to adapt. His statements were just the PC thing at the time. RR was brought into do what RR does. That was the deal PERIOD. And what I commend RR for most is not lying to any of these kids about it. He chose to be honest and lost RM then AA because of it.
RR the wrecking ball- RR came in and treated the Michigan program the same way he would of Toledo if he took that job. 9-4 and a bowl win against Florida meant nothing to him, the talent already in place meant nothing to him. He came in hell bent on putting in his system in asap with no regard with what that meant to current players, the 2008 season, the old guard, or the media.
It was this approach that caused feathers to ruffle, I can only speak of players cuz that all i know. Rich Rod was D*ck Rod in the off season. Players didn't like him at all, their reaction to him was exactly what a former carr to RR transition participant said it would be. Even as the season started RR had very few fans in his own club house.
I don't blame this entirely on RR because the culture shock was too much for a group of kids that were told so many things en route to UM. Anybody bringing RR's system in would have faced the same problems. However, RR approach was too extreme he did not handle the situation perfectly and he certainly shouldn't get a complete free pass. And I'm sure RR would be a little more gentle if he could do it over.
As far as RR goes the point I want to emphasis is that the agreement was for RR to come to UM and do what RR does. there was never any transition or adaption plan. And it was a lack of that plan that was the majority of the cause for everything negative, from attrition, to RM & AA, and the record this season.
RR's approach the good and bad-
The good is that he is so confident in his system that he wanted to get it in full gear day 1. And I commend him for treating the RM AA situation with honesty. A transition plan would have been helpful record, attrition, and PR wise in the short term. however, a transition plan would not get us where we want to be in 2010-2011-2012.
The bad- his wrecking ball approach was a little over the top and he didn't survey the landscape the was UM football enough. He should have been a bit more gentle coming in.
From my prospective over this year I have gained a great deal of respect for RR and even more so a great deal of confidence. I believe more so than ever he was the right hire and exactly what this program needed.
with that said I completely understand where those not happy with him are coming from, but your aiming you anger in the wrong direction...if you want to be upset with someone be upset with Bill Martin and the hiring committee for choosing what they should have known was going to be a radical change.
This is the response from Tombeaver the editor of the site.
there's a lot of truth
and, like Purm says, it's from one perspective -- it's a great players-perspective post of things for the most part
are far as Martin and what he did and the committee ... boy that's complicated, and has several different perspectives to it ... all sides would say it was very messy
what I like most about the post - it has a "let's-move-on" upshot to it, and is supportive of the future.
I also like that no one is put in a bad light ... everyone acted as best they knew how - players, RR, everyone
even IMO as far as RR 'adjusting to the players he has' ... there actually WAS a lot of that for the '08 team - mainly very little QB-running-ball
If they or anyone (at least Michigan fans) wanted to read it they would pay the fee, rather they may choose to post and read here where the majority of the fans are Buckeye fans. Just a thought, aren't you able to summarize (put in your own words) lengthy articles, especially ones that you continue to not provide direct links to, or is copy and paste your only option?
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Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
ballparent wrote:If they or anyone (at least Michigan fans) wanted to read it they would pay the fee, rather they may choose to post and read here where the majority of the fans are Buckeye fans. Just a thought, aren't you able to summarize (put in your own words) lengthy articles, especially ones that you continue to not provide direct links to, or is copy and paste your only option?
must have missed:
AAir-michigan.scout.com
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Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
seofan_via_dublin wrote:ballparent wrote:If they or anyone (at least Michigan fans) wanted to read it they would pay the fee, rather they may choose to post and read here where the majority of the fans are Buckeye fans. Just a thought, aren't you able to summarize (put in your own words) lengthy articles, especially ones that you continue to not provide direct links to, or is copy and paste your only option?
must have missed:AAir-michigan.scout.com
I missed nothing.....in fact I enlarged it, perhaps you misunderstood....if any poster wanted to read these lengthy Michigan posts on an Ohio board they would pay the fee to do so rather than have repetitive scrolling lengths of copied and pasted words, otherwise why not simply summarize in your own words, get to the gist of the story, and why have the reader copy and paste the link in their browser....is posting a direct link that difficult? But then again it comes from sources that most choose not to be a member of and therefore can't verify the accuracy of anything.
Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
if any poster wanted to read these lengthy Michigan posts on an Ohio board
I think you have missed something. This is not an OSU or Ohio Board---this is a College Football Forum----free to anyone to post about College Sports---Period.
This is a Michigan thread, if you don't like it than don't respond (especially after your long rants about not posting on Michigan threads.
If I summarized I would have to listen to another one of your rants.
You only respond to be hateful, you are not a moderator, and you don't say what goes. If you want accuracy on a blog---subscribe. Orestes, who is a good man, copies and paste from osu.scout.com all the time. You going to jump on him?
Just for your information, how would you know how many members that a Michigan forum has? I am willing to bet that michigan.scout.com has as many subscribers if not more than anyone in the country.
Anyways, I only ask that you add to the thread. I don't care who you are a fan of, but stop ranting just to rant. The only person compalining about links is yourself.
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Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
I am doing nothing but calling you on what you have done me for months. Here's a quote of yours to me and the thread link:
http://www.southeasternohiopreps.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=54418&start=0
I put up with your attacks to my posts, my credibility to post in the first place for ages and yet you cry foul when you are given back what you gave. I will post on any and all threads as you yourself do quite often. Besides this I do not see the point in lengthy extended posts when a simple summary in your own words (not word for word) and then a direct link to the article could be given to allow the reader to continue the research if they choose. No, I'm not a mod but I do know that this has been a practice in all the forums since I've posted here, although a few have chosen to instead simply copy and paste, giving no link, letting the reader have no idea where the info came from or the opportunity to see how old or how valid it is.
Whether you agree with that or not does not mean that it is not the credible thing to do. You seem very defensive to back up your posts with sources other than your supposed inside info and have a huge hang-up with providing any direct links, in fact, I can't seem to find any that you have provided previously.
As for Rich Rod, most people don't care how it all went down. WVU fans feel betrayed and will continue to do so, perhaps this old info is just to help Michigan maintain even a little dignity. No matter how he got to TSUN it was a lack of character and showing for a coach to not finish the season with his team for whatever reason one can come up with.
http://www.southeasternohiopreps.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=54418&start=0
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Posted: November 29th, 2008, 4:47 pm
I forgot to put the link, sue me, turn me in to the blogisphere, I could care less. I apologized for not putting up the link, that is all I need to do. Since you or so many others seem to think my information comes from blogs or articles (Which that is all you do for the most part is copy and paste articles you find), I don't see your point. You want some links to articles I have written, I'll send them to you if you like.
I put up with your attacks to my posts, my credibility to post in the first place for ages and yet you cry foul when you are given back what you gave. I will post on any and all threads as you yourself do quite often. Besides this I do not see the point in lengthy extended posts when a simple summary in your own words (not word for word) and then a direct link to the article could be given to allow the reader to continue the research if they choose. No, I'm not a mod but I do know that this has been a practice in all the forums since I've posted here, although a few have chosen to instead simply copy and paste, giving no link, letting the reader have no idea where the info came from or the opportunity to see how old or how valid it is.
Whether you agree with that or not does not mean that it is not the credible thing to do. You seem very defensive to back up your posts with sources other than your supposed inside info and have a huge hang-up with providing any direct links, in fact, I can't seem to find any that you have provided previously.
As for Rich Rod, most people don't care how it all went down. WVU fans feel betrayed and will continue to do so, perhaps this old info is just to help Michigan maintain even a little dignity. No matter how he got to TSUN it was a lack of character and showing for a coach to not finish the season with his team for whatever reason one can come up with.
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You took the comment out of context as you usually do. I meant nothing bad by saying that you did, only pointing out a fact.
I don't care what you like and don't like in a post. You don't make the rules, so quite complaining if you don't like it. If you have a problem, go to the moderators. Problem with the link as I stated, you can't access the site unless you pay. So yes, wanting to be the informed fan that I am, I would want word for word what was said.
I don't care about credible with you and you don't care either, so I see no problem.
This is the world of blogging, no one really cares as much as you do about proper citation. I care more about the information and the substance behind the post, not if I would get an A in Journalism 101 on a freakin SE Ohio message board.
You didn't list what links you couldn't obtain, and if you can't find them, then you have problems with your ability to google. If you want inside information, pay for it.
I will ask you the same question, who are you to speak for "most people"? How big is your ring of friends that you can make such a claim? I know about 15,000 people on the Michigan Board who wanted to know rather badly.
I am sure that Michigan, being Michigan, really bothers to care what you think about them as an Academic and Athletic Institution.
I could care less about your point of view (same as everyother fan, should have stayed BS). Yes, stay through the Bowl and not recruit Michigan players while still at WVU and put together a staff that will have an impact your career. Sound like a winner.
If you don't like the information, don't post. Dubs hit the nail on the head. This site is losing quality posts. If you disagree, than post something with information contrary to what I have posted with some sort of substance behind it. I am tired of bickering with you over things that have little to do with sports. You want to practice your English skills, step into a class room, because I can tell you that no one wants to be preached to about proper writing techniques, etc. on a sports board.
I don't care what you like and don't like in a post. You don't make the rules, so quite complaining if you don't like it. If you have a problem, go to the moderators. Problem with the link as I stated, you can't access the site unless you pay. So yes, wanting to be the informed fan that I am, I would want word for word what was said.
I don't care about credible with you and you don't care either, so I see no problem.
This is the world of blogging, no one really cares as much as you do about proper citation. I care more about the information and the substance behind the post, not if I would get an A in Journalism 101 on a freakin SE Ohio message board.
You didn't list what links you couldn't obtain, and if you can't find them, then you have problems with your ability to google. If you want inside information, pay for it.
As for Rich Rod, most people don't care how it all went down
I will ask you the same question, who are you to speak for "most people"? How big is your ring of friends that you can make such a claim? I know about 15,000 people on the Michigan Board who wanted to know rather badly.
I am sure that Michigan, being Michigan, really bothers to care what you think about them as an Academic and Athletic Institution.
I could care less about your point of view (same as everyother fan, should have stayed BS). Yes, stay through the Bowl and not recruit Michigan players while still at WVU and put together a staff that will have an impact your career. Sound like a winner.
If you don't like the information, don't post. Dubs hit the nail on the head. This site is losing quality posts. If you disagree, than post something with information contrary to what I have posted with some sort of substance behind it. I am tired of bickering with you over things that have little to do with sports. You want to practice your English skills, step into a class room, because I can tell you that no one wants to be preached to about proper writing techniques, etc. on a sports board.
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Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
If the rhetoric and nitpicking gets any worse on this
thread, KantuckyII is going to start talking abortion on here too.
Info is info, nobody really gives a crap how it's obtained, as long
as it is factual.
As stated before, this is the world of blogging and chat, not the New York Times
or ESPN the magazine.
The amount of posts made here that are paraphrased ideas taken from other sources,
are huge in number, and they are made by Buckeye fans as well.
Stop nitpicking and actually counter each others posts with pertinant info if you disagree.
If not, then let it be, nobody else cares!
thread, KantuckyII is going to start talking abortion on here too.
Info is info, nobody really gives a crap how it's obtained, as long
as it is factual.
As stated before, this is the world of blogging and chat, not the New York Times
or ESPN the magazine.
The amount of posts made here that are paraphrased ideas taken from other sources,
are huge in number, and they are made by Buckeye fans as well.
Stop nitpicking and actually counter each others posts with pertinant info if you disagree.
If not, then let it be, nobody else cares!
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Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
seofan_via_dublin and peake:
I appreciate your outrage and I also 100 percent agree, this is something a lot of posters on this board would have appreciated for months including myself. Perhaps now my posts and others won't be belittled or accused of being just Tressel's or other's words, or have threads mocked because "they just couldn't help themselves." Perhaps now they won't be called ignorant if some do not agree with their posts especially since no one is required to back up any sources, anyone's comments will be considered as contributing to the board. I think it speaks a lot though that when all this was happening to others your outrage was absent. Perhaps now peake knows what it feels like for the numerous posters that he has verbally insulted time and time again, questioned their knowledge on anything, and touted his "supposed" skills to. I have been in touch with the mods throughout this and many times have asked for posts or threads pulled when peake would become outrageously rude and start calling me insulting names, and I appreciate the fact that the mods recognized this and would pull them. Peake also has asked for these threads to be pulled and after consideration by the mods they chose not to do so. I have never called him names, have tried to address him with the logic of supporting his statements with support that other posters could follow up on, and simply finally gave back what has been dished out for months, although not as juvenile with the name-calling.
I appreciate your outrage and I also 100 percent agree, this is something a lot of posters on this board would have appreciated for months including myself. Perhaps now my posts and others won't be belittled or accused of being just Tressel's or other's words, or have threads mocked because "they just couldn't help themselves." Perhaps now they won't be called ignorant if some do not agree with their posts especially since no one is required to back up any sources, anyone's comments will be considered as contributing to the board. I think it speaks a lot though that when all this was happening to others your outrage was absent. Perhaps now peake knows what it feels like for the numerous posters that he has verbally insulted time and time again, questioned their knowledge on anything, and touted his "supposed" skills to. I have been in touch with the mods throughout this and many times have asked for posts or threads pulled when peake would become outrageously rude and start calling me insulting names, and I appreciate the fact that the mods recognized this and would pull them. Peake also has asked for these threads to be pulled and after consideration by the mods they chose not to do so. I have never called him names, have tried to address him with the logic of supporting his statements with support that other posters could follow up on, and simply finally gave back what has been dished out for months, although not as juvenile with the name-calling.
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Just post. Quite making every post personal. You don't like the thread, find something that disproves what I am saying, etc.
I am tired of coming on here to see personal attacks that have nothing to do with the information provided aside from what link you can't find.
I know you are not happy, you have made that clear for weeks now. You've said enough. Yo have repeated your posts several times. WE ALL KNOW, you are upset with me, get over it and move on. This is a message board, feeling will get hurt, either you can handle it or not. I don't need to be taught a lesson. I apologized to you more than once, either be an adult and move on, or stop picking at me and drawing this thing out.
I want to talk sports. If you don't like what I posted about Michigan, then give me examples of why I am wrong (not, well "most people" don't care because no one can speak for most people, especially living in teny tiny SE Ohio).
Last time, I am so tired of coming to this site only to see posts that have nothing to do with sports. I know that a good majority of fans on this site are OSU fans, but there are people who are interested in other teams, and subjects such as these. We are all spots fans, we are interested in things like this. If you are not, then don't bother reading. These threads are losing the substance that they used to have. I want to have the discussions and debates we used to have with all of the bickering and rants that have little to do with the subject at hand.
I am tired of coming on here to see personal attacks that have nothing to do with the information provided aside from what link you can't find.
I know you are not happy, you have made that clear for weeks now. You've said enough. Yo have repeated your posts several times. WE ALL KNOW, you are upset with me, get over it and move on. This is a message board, feeling will get hurt, either you can handle it or not. I don't need to be taught a lesson. I apologized to you more than once, either be an adult and move on, or stop picking at me and drawing this thing out.
I want to talk sports. If you don't like what I posted about Michigan, then give me examples of why I am wrong (not, well "most people" don't care because no one can speak for most people, especially living in teny tiny SE Ohio).
Last time, I am so tired of coming to this site only to see posts that have nothing to do with sports. I know that a good majority of fans on this site are OSU fans, but there are people who are interested in other teams, and subjects such as these. We are all spots fans, we are interested in things like this. If you are not, then don't bother reading. These threads are losing the substance that they used to have. I want to have the discussions and debates we used to have with all of the bickering and rants that have little to do with the subject at hand.
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PEAKE-I for one am glad you posted this information. Was interesting reading. I am a Michigan fan from Southeast Ohio so you are not alone.
Had alot more written and deleted most of it. Just calling people out which i think on here has already been done. Again thank you for your post and post away my friend!
Go Blue
Go Bobcats
Go Navy
TUofOS still sucks!
Had alot more written and deleted most of it. Just calling people out which i think on here has already been done. Again thank you for your post and post away my friend!
Go Blue
Go Bobcats
Go Navy
TUofOS still sucks!
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Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
marshallman quote:
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Posted: December 10th, 2008, 10:23 am
OSU got TP and that is the best thing to happen to the Bucks. He didn't go to Michigan for some reason like alot of the ones who left. I'm sure RR would have sold his left kidney to get TP. Now, all Michigan does is say they didn't want him anyway.
peake quote:
Post subject: Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
Posted: December 10th, 2008, 12:57 pm
I don't think I know very many people who have said that they didn't want TP.
marshallman Quote:
He didn't go to Michigan for some reason like alot of the ones who left
I have no clue what this implies. Some have left because of the system, some because of academics, etc.
I think some left for more reasons than just the "system" or for academics. As for Justin Boren I'm looking forward to his playtime with OSU and respect his decision to leave, from what I've read that is the kind of player that would fit in well with Coach Tressel's "system" and I'm sure his parents are glad of that also.
From observation of him on the sidelines, he is huge. His shoulders are as broad without pads as many players with them.Here's a few excerpts and links to articles for continued reading about Rich Rod and his system, as well as his history of recruit selections. The first, from September '08 turned out to be quite prophetic.
http://www.dailycardinal.com/article/20434
UM sold out by hiring Rich Rodriguez
By: Andy Van Sistine /The Daily Cardinal - September 16, 2008
Columnist Andy Van Sistine marvels at the fall of the Michigan Wolverines and attributes it to the lack of character shown by Rich Rodriguez over the past year.
For many, it might have seemed like another big upset. Michigan started off its second consecutive football season with a loss at home to a seemingly innocuous team like Utah.
Utah has since proven to be a real threat on the national scene. But if you have been catching the warning signs all along, you would have seen the Wolverines’ loss coming well before it happened, regardless of how good Utah was. And you surely would have figured out by now that Big Blue has steadily been sinking into a dark era in the legacy of its storied college football program.
The ugly start of last year’s football season was only the first indication of tough times ahead, losing to a FCS team and getting slammed by Oregon—both at home—in the first two weeks. Two losses to end the regular season, including a fourth-straight loss to Ohio State, the retirement of an embarrassed Lloyd Carr and the loss of offensive weapons Chad Henne, Mike Hart and Jake Long to the NFL draft only made things worse.
The hiring of a new head coach capable of providing stability to a team in turmoil could have gotten Michigan back on track after a really rough year. Instead, they got a basket case.
http://keywestcorona.blogs.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/7308998/11669877
The Legacy of Rich Rodriguez...
Posted on: November 13, 2008 10:39 am
Just call it more of the same. Two more West Virginia players have gotten in trouble...this time for a fight that occured in a Morgantown bar. Its more of the same for Mountaineer fans, who were hoping to be in the NC title picture this year. With a disappointing season already assured, dealing with more character issues from players is certainly not what the doctor ordered. Unfortunately, the man that recruited them, Rich Rodriguez, didn't seem to mind bringing in more than his fair share of miscreants and hoodlums. Now the folks in Morgantown are left to clean up his mess. The laundry list is seemingly endless. Look at the number of players Bill Stewart has had to cut from the team already.
RB Eddie Collington, DL James Ingram and LB John Holmes off the team for possession and intent to distribute drugs.
S Charles Pugh off the team for allegedly picking up a set of car keys from a table in the student union then using the panic button to find the car in the adjacent parking garage. Then, he and a woman entered the car, stole a credit card, and racked up nearly $2,000 in purchases.
TE Evan Rodriguez off the team for assaulting a female student.
Plus this list of arrests
H Jeremy Cash and TE Maxwell Anderson...bar fight...see above.
RB Noel Devine and WR Jock Sanders after charges were filed against the pair following a fight with students.
CB Ellis Lankster and LB J.T. Thomas were arrested for stealing a laptop from a student’s house and trying to pawn it.
S Quinton Andrews and RB Jason Gwaltney on speeding, alcohol and obstruction charges.
And I would be remiss if I didn't mentioned two of Rich Rod's finest degenerate products...Pacman Jones and Chris Henry. Needless to say, its going to take a lot of work to repair the damage. Notice to Michigan fan. 3-7 isn't the only thing you have to worry about. The reputation of a proud University will have to endure a beating after Rodriguez brings in his villainous hoards to Ann Arbor.
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What does any of this have to do with the story or stories? This is about the hiring of RRod, not if anyone thinks he is nice person or not.
If someone left for whatever reason, then I only want to talk about those 80 or so that stayed. Boren's Dad pled at UM, so I don't think that hewas thrilled that Justin choose to leave. I am sure he supported his son, but who knows.
The University of Wisconsin thinks that he was a bad hire, that bad hire just beat their team after their worst finish ever. So someone from Wisconsin thinks he was a bad hire, and that means what?
If you want an article from someone wh is close to the Michigan Program, read the one I posted from Rick Leach.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... /812090427
If someone left for whatever reason, then I only want to talk about those 80 or so that stayed. Boren's Dad pled at UM, so I don't think that hewas thrilled that Justin choose to leave. I am sure he supported his son, but who knows.
The University of Wisconsin thinks that he was a bad hire, that bad hire just beat their team after their worst finish ever. So someone from Wisconsin thinks he was a bad hire, and that means what?
If you want an article from someone wh is close to the Michigan Program, read the one I posted from Rick Leach.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... /812090427
On Rodriguez: "Once Rich Rodriguez became available in this process, I was called out of the blue from my former coach, Don Nehlen, who was my quarterback coach my last two years (at Michigan).
"After I left Michigan, he went to West Virginia and basically built that program from the ground up. Rich Rodriguez was hired on his staff and took over when Don retired.
"Don called me and shared his feelings about (Rodriguez) as a person, as a coach. That's all I needed to hear, believe me, because I know Don Nehlen is one of us. And Don Nehlen told him this opportunity only comes along once in a lifetime and if you don't take this job, you're a darn fool. God bless Don Nehlen for bringing that to us."
On the thought that the cupboard was bare for Rodriguez this season: "Let me give you a few facts. When Bo (Schembechler) came in and took over for Bump Elliott -- make it clear, when he came in, in 1969, he did not recruit any of those guys on that team that he took over. Let's see, on that team he took over, there turned out to be 28 all-Big Ten players, nine All-Americans and, oh yeah, three players that went into to the College Football Hall of Fame. That's No. 1.
"No. 2, when Lloyd Carr took over from Gary Moeller and he inherited that team, let me see, there were 24 all-Big Ten players, nine All-Americans and, oh yes, a Heisman Trophy winner in Charles Woodson.
"Now, correct me if I'm wrong, this year's all-Big Ten team just came out. Michigan had two players on the first and second team, and one of them was a punter. I rest my case."
On former U-M lineman Justin Boren, who transferred to Ohio State and was critical of Rodriguez and his staff: "My own personal feelings -- if you don't like it here, and you don't want to be here, then move on. Because if Rich Rodriguez and his staff are too tough for you, if you don't like the way they raise their voices and, oh yes, maybe even now and then they cuss at you, guess what? Bo Schembechler did, Gary Moeller, and I believe Lloyd Carr might have done that every now and then. If that's your issue, then move on."
On salty language at practice: "I've got to say, because everybody around this town, around this country and in this profession had so much respect for Bo Schembechler. If you think for a minute that he didn't use language behind the scenes or on the sidelines -- we all saw some of the tirades.
"What a joke. It's just another log on the fire that they try to throw at Rich Rodriguez. I've been to practice. They talk about family values? Well, guess what? He allows his wife, the coaches' wives and their children to come to practice, and they coach the way they coach.
"Was I a little shocked and surprised when I first saw it? Absolutely. But if it's that big an issue -- they have their wives and children witness that, so it can't be too big an issue.
"They coach how they coach. Every coach has his own style and his own way of doing things. My whole point is, if you don't want to hear that kind of language and be coached aggressively for a staff that just wants to try to get the best out of your ability, then go to Trinity Baptist College and see how their football program is."
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Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
Let's not forget this board and threads also contain "OPINIONS" of the poster and not linked to any substance or documented article. So, if you want to state what you believe about what you feel then lets not blast the poster or ask if they are 11 years old. I like reading opinions of the posters too when they state what they feel. If you post a reason that a coach should be fired, don't ask them to go to the law library and back up everything they feel. 
Re: Michigan--RRod---How it all went down.
agree marshallman.
I have already posted the link on the Michigan Records Thread.
It's sad to think that Rich Rodriguez is only eight games into his career at Michigan and yet people are calling for his head. It's sad to see that websites such as firerrod.com are already in existence. Sad to see that even highly respected writer's on bleacherreport.comn(you know who you are) and even in the Michigan newspapers are calling for him to leave.
It's sad to see such disgrace coming from fans and media and it's sad to see their lack of knowledge and logic towards Rich and this game.
Words can't describe the disappointment felt when hearing fellow Michigan fans ripping Rich, it just makes one think,"Since when are we Ohio State?"
How can people seriously ask for someone to be fired after one season? There is no class, dignity, or respect in that. What would Bo think? One could bet he would be furious that the fans are being so illogical and thoughtless to the matter at hand. Carr most likely feels some disappointment in comments made by Michigan faithful (or not so faithful) as well.
It's clear that the Michigan fan base is a very proud one, one that is proud in history and tradition. It is because of this that the fans have become spoiled and arrogant. It's long been said that Michigan had the most arrogant fan base of them all and never has it shown to be truer than this year.
After an abysmal start people just don't know what to do. People aren't used to Michigan losing, which is understandable, but to call for a man's job is outrageous.
People forget Michigan has had losing seasons before. Hell, Bo had a 6-6 season even. It's baffling to think Michigan fans could be so arrogant as to think they were invincible of sorts and would never fall from the graces of the elite.
Well guess what? Everyone, including Michigan, sees the bottom at some point. Texas, USC, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, OSU, etc. has all seen the bottom of the barrel at some point over the last twenty years.
Look at Notre Dame last year and then look at them this year, it's night and day.
Now for those calling for Rich to be fired at season’s end you are undoubtedly uneducated about Rich Rodriguez so it's time for class, get out your notebook and pencils and get ready to learn.
Rich Rodriguez started his head coaching career in 1988 at Salem College in West Virginia. His first year there resulted in a 2-8 record. The following year the school dropped the football program leaving Rich searching for a new job.
He landed his second head coaching position at Glenville State College in West Virginia in 1990. He was the head coach of the NAIA school from 1990-1996. His first season was terrible when his team finished 1-7-1.
But improvement came as his team went 4-5-1 in 1991. Come 1992 his team finished 6-4.By 1993 his team finished 10-3 were they lost in the NAIA National Championship. 1994 they finished 8-3.In 1995 his team finished 8-2 while his '96 team finished 6-4. From 1993-1996, his teams won or shared the WVIAC conference title.
I have already posted the link on the Michigan Records Thread.
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dayton daily
Things happen everywhere regardless of who is the coach.
Ohio State football player arrested for shoplifting at Fairfield Commons
By Jeremy P. Kelley
Staff Writer
Thursday, December 11, 2008
BEAVERCREEK — Ohio State football player Nathan Williams was arrested Wednesday afternoon on a misdemeanor count of theft in the Macy's store at the Mall at Fairfield Commons.
According to an incident report from Beavercreek Police, Williams, 19, shoplifted three shirts valued at $80. He was issued a summons and released on his own recognizance.
Williams, a freshman defensive lineman from Washington Court House, played in eight games for Ohio State this fall and made 17 tackles, including three for loss.
Despite missing four games, the 6-foot-4, 250-pounder tied for fifth on the team with two sacks.
Williams was an all-Ohio selection at Miami Trace High School. His bio in the OSU football media guide mentions that he was a DARE role model in high school.
Things happen everywhere regardless of who is the coach.