Jim Tressel
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Tressel is what he is. An ultra conservative coach who is in no danger of losing his job anytime soon. Tressel, like me, only cares for the Big Ten title. As long as the National title is mythical, the Big Ten title, will always be the most important thing in Columbus. With his record in the Big Ten and vs. Michigan, he is getting the job done.
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WhiteWhiskers wrote:mohawkbaseball#1 wrote:how did Tress blow it?
Did you watch the game?
yea, I gave you my feelings of why they lost
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i am just absolutely sick of the conservative crap that is the OSU offense. we couldnt even get a first down last night to do the most favorite thing tressel likes to do " run out the clock " with a lead. and pryor stunk it up with the throwing of his back foot all night .. put him at wideout and get a quarterback that can throw it to him !!
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I'm not trying to dowg out the players, coaches or anything else but, I don't think Pryor is a passing quarterback who should be feared by opponents. Granted he looked good on a few pass plays but most throws he made looked awkward, forced, much like a pitcher trying to place a pitch instead of firing to a spot.
I also agree with the conservative play calling but with Pryor throwing the way he does/was, I'm not so sure the alternative would have been better. I felt the Michigan and USC freshman were more impressive than Pryor.
I also agree with the conservative play calling but with Pryor throwing the way he does/was, I'm not so sure the alternative would have been better. I felt the Michigan and USC freshman were more impressive than Pryor.
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Two bid decisions things stuck out to me...
1. The pass attempted on 3rd down with 1:15 or so left in the first half.
--USC had no timeouts. Had they chose to run the ball, USC would have had no time on the clock when they received the punt. Instead, they got the ball with over a minute to go and ended up getting a FG to tie it at 10 going into the half.
2. The non-attempt at a FG.
--Not only did he not want to try it. They took the delay of game in order to help the punter out a little bit. Even then, USC DECLINED the penalty trying to get OSU to kick it and they decided not to again. Had they missed it, USC would have gotten the ball at around the 35 instead of the 10. Had he made it, the score is 18-10 and USC would have had to go for two. Had they still gotten it, it would have gone into OT.
Also, Terrelle Pryor...Does he have the worst clock management skills of a QB of all time? In my opinion, yes.
1. The pass attempted on 3rd down with 1:15 or so left in the first half.
--USC had no timeouts. Had they chose to run the ball, USC would have had no time on the clock when they received the punt. Instead, they got the ball with over a minute to go and ended up getting a FG to tie it at 10 going into the half.
2. The non-attempt at a FG.
--Not only did he not want to try it. They took the delay of game in order to help the punter out a little bit. Even then, USC DECLINED the penalty trying to get OSU to kick it and they decided not to again. Had they missed it, USC would have gotten the ball at around the 35 instead of the 10. Had he made it, the score is 18-10 and USC would have had to go for two. Had they still gotten it, it would have gone into OT.
Also, Terrelle Pryor...Does he have the worst clock management skills of a QB of all time? In my opinion, yes.
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Like I've said from the begining---Pryor is over rated. He's better served playing on option type offense ie Navy. He will most likely not beat you passing as his skills on throwing the ball are terrible(throwing off his back foot). Only ONE time last night did I see him run the ball with determination. The rest of the time he ran scared. Like he's afraid he'll get the snot knocked out of him.
I'll take the USC freshman QB anytime over Pryor.
Tressel Play calling. Well its the same old,same old #$%@
I'll take the USC freshman QB anytime over Pryor.
Tressel Play calling. Well its the same old,same old #$%@
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I'm still a big Tressel fan. But how much more can the Bucks choke in a big game and still pull in the Blue Chip recruits? God forbid, if RichRod ever gets on his game at Michigan, we will be back in the Cooper mode again. Play MAC teams, beat up on Indiana and Northwestern, lose to Michigan and choke against the SEC in the Capital One Bowl.
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Playing for field position, kicking field goals and asking your defense to lock
down the opposition is fine vs. Northwestern or Indiana, but when the other
team (USC) has playmakers and you sit back defensively to allow a freshman
quarterback make like John Elway and drive the ball down your throat, length
of the field and punch in a game winner, that 'button down' stuff doesn't fly.
2002 is a long time ago. Another national audience has seen OSU fail and
wonder "Why do they keep showing these guys? Why is Ohio State thought
of as a national power?"
It's going to take more than just beating a ranked opponent...Ohio State is
going to have to do so several times to make the college football think of
them (the Buckeyes) as a 'national power'. If you're happy just winning
the Big Ten and getting a bowl invite, keep ordering vanilla ice cream at
the Dairy Queen.
down the opposition is fine vs. Northwestern or Indiana, but when the other
team (USC) has playmakers and you sit back defensively to allow a freshman
quarterback make like John Elway and drive the ball down your throat, length
of the field and punch in a game winner, that 'button down' stuff doesn't fly.
2002 is a long time ago. Another national audience has seen OSU fail and
wonder "Why do they keep showing these guys? Why is Ohio State thought
of as a national power?"
It's going to take more than just beating a ranked opponent...Ohio State is
going to have to do so several times to make the college football think of
them (the Buckeyes) as a 'national power'. If you're happy just winning
the Big Ten and getting a bowl invite, keep ordering vanilla ice cream at
the Dairy Queen.
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gahs,
did you have a chance to watch the toledo/colorado game? toledo looked pretty good in that game. they should have no problem in the mac.
what time does this game start?
thx in advance!
did you have a chance to watch the toledo/colorado game? toledo looked pretty good in that game. they should have no problem in the mac.
what time does this game start?
thx in advance!
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I was at the game and the fans were going nuts the entire time USC had the ball. I dont know how loud the Shoe sounded on tv but it was awesome.
I dont know why Tress didnt try the FG toward the end of the first half with an all american kicker in Pettrey, but he was playing not to lose.
I was impressed with our defense and I thought outside the above mentioned poor choices by Pryor our offense was not shabby.
but again Tress puts all the pressure in the world on the D and the D coordinator chokes again.
its a terrible loss after it was our game to win and OSU dominated Usc until the last drive of the game. This game broke Tressels back on the national stage.
I dont know why Tress didnt try the FG toward the end of the first half with an all american kicker in Pettrey, but he was playing not to lose.
I was impressed with our defense and I thought outside the above mentioned poor choices by Pryor our offense was not shabby.
but again Tress puts all the pressure in the world on the D and the D coordinator chokes again.
its a terrible loss after it was our game to win and OSU dominated Usc until the last drive of the game. This game broke Tressels back on the national stage.
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farmer wrote:Since Tressel is old school I am sure he has heard the phrase,"Adapt and overcome"
so when will he do it?
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An assessment of the game from a Buckeye fan on the West Coast......................
Subject: Buckeye loss
I was at 1973 Ohio State v. Michigan game at Ann Arbor. Buckeyes led 10-0 at half in that game largely because of great play of freshman fullback Pete Johnson. Amazingly Woody Hayes benched Johnson in the second half (his later explanation was that since Pete was a freshman he would be more likely to fumble than upper classman). Wolverines came back and tied score depriving Buckeyes of national championship.
Last night I thought I was observing Woody's mentality in Tressel. With 15-10 lead Tressel took absolutely no chances, running Boom Herron on almost every first down--usually for gains of anywhere from 0 to 2 yards. Essentially Tressel wasted every single first down in second half. Did Tressel really think a five point lead would hold up? And Buckeyes were in "four down territory" several times when Tressel amazingly chose to punt. There is no way that Ohio State will ever beat "the big boys" with this kind of ultraconservative offensive strategy.
Also; what was wrong with Terrelle Pryor? He made some good throws in the first half; but in the second half he often seemed like a deer in the headlights? Is he out there thinking too much when he should be just reacting?
Maybe Terrelle would have been a lot happier if he had gone to Michigan or to Oregon. Tressel ball just can't be that much fun.
Subject: Buckeye loss
I was at 1973 Ohio State v. Michigan game at Ann Arbor. Buckeyes led 10-0 at half in that game largely because of great play of freshman fullback Pete Johnson. Amazingly Woody Hayes benched Johnson in the second half (his later explanation was that since Pete was a freshman he would be more likely to fumble than upper classman). Wolverines came back and tied score depriving Buckeyes of national championship.
Last night I thought I was observing Woody's mentality in Tressel. With 15-10 lead Tressel took absolutely no chances, running Boom Herron on almost every first down--usually for gains of anywhere from 0 to 2 yards. Essentially Tressel wasted every single first down in second half. Did Tressel really think a five point lead would hold up? And Buckeyes were in "four down territory" several times when Tressel amazingly chose to punt. There is no way that Ohio State will ever beat "the big boys" with this kind of ultraconservative offensive strategy.
Also; what was wrong with Terrelle Pryor? He made some good throws in the first half; but in the second half he often seemed like a deer in the headlights? Is he out there thinking too much when he should be just reacting?
Maybe Terrelle would have been a lot happier if he had gone to Michigan or to Oregon. Tressel ball just can't be that much fun.
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pryor is not as good yet as he is made out to be but troy smith ended up pretty good and he struggled his first 2 years so give tp a chance.. he needs to plant and throw!!! not off his tip toes! he will improve greatly. this team cant run the ball! boom is a nice backup but cant be a 25 carry a game guy. we will really miss beanie this year. maybe time to give beery a few carries
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Bleeding Red wrote:farmer wrote:Since Tressel is old school I am sure he has heard the phrase,"Adapt and overcome"
so when will he do it?
That is something said he needs to do for a long time will he adapt is up to him to actually do.
As for Pryor when you look at the USC freshman QB he enrolled early at USC and put in time to learn the system and to get even better. Pryor doesn't seem to be working harder to improve. Pryor in someways makes me think about how some players who have a great combine for the NFL draft then not much on the field. Ability and potential Pryor has. When he can do it on the field consistantly then he becomes a football player not just an player with skills.
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Field goals, punts and field position- Tressel needs to spread them out and go for the kill. I get sick of watching him get a lead and then play not to lose. You have a race horse behind center that runs a 4.35, then you need to run him. But then again the defense should never allow a true freshman march his team 89 yards in 6 minutes to score a TD. Where's the blitzing they said they were going to do every play to rattle the QB?????
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marshallman wrote:Field goals, punts and field position- Tressel needs to spread them out and go for the kill. I get sick of watching him get a lead and then play not to lose. You have a race horse behind center that runs a 4.35, then you need to run him. But then again the defense should never allow a true freshman march his team 89 yards in 6 minutes to score a TD. Where's the blitzing they said they were going to do every play to rattle the QB?????
When they did blitz off the corner or safety they got pressure on Barkley and he didnt throw the ball well at all. The entire last drive they only rushed their down lineman and didnt get anywhere close to him and let him sit in the pocket and pick them apart.
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Tosu fans should be celebrating --finally played a good team close Think about it as PROGRESS LOL !