Notre Dame @ Michigan 9/10 8p.m.

[mab43bac]

We will enjoy it ,i if u read the thread there are no excuses ,i said that it wasnt about them and you turned around to be that way .Once again typical michigan fan

[Peake]

Don't bring them up, and then I won't comment on them. Typical is an OSU fan who feels the need to comment on Michigan threads and tell us how bad we are and how they know how things are going to turn out since they know us better then we do. Not a single Michigan fan has commented on your OSU threads.

BTW, MIchigan, as bad as they have played on D, have 6 takeaways now in 2 games, we were #106 in takeaways last year.

[farmer]

Hey Peake was it Dernard's arm winning the game or more of bad defense at times by ND? He put up big numbers but he also did not look good throwing the ball for much of the game.

Also when you said let you know when Toledo has as good of player as those you listed. Eric Page is a heck of a receiver and returner not just in the MAC. He may not be as good as some you listed but he sure made some one hand catches during the OSU game. He is a difference maker even if it is Toledo.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Another Buckeye fan on here commented to make Denard beat you with his arm and he can't, well he just did.

And everything I said on this thread was proven Saturday night!!!

Just one question, why do you use Michigan injuries and players missing time as an excuse?
OSU was missing 8 starters against Toledo and no Buckeye said a word!

What I took away from Saturday from both games, Exciting sloppy football, is still sloppy football no matter how exciting!

[Peake]

@farner---I think it was a combination of both obviously. You can't not give Denard Robinson credit for making the throws he did. Was the defense great, I don't think so, but it was the same defense that held USF under 300 yards of total offense last week, and was a top 20 pass defense last season. So I would say combination of both. I also agree he didn't have his best game, but when it came time to make plays he made plays. I don't think you can paint it any other way.

I was not saying Toledo was good, I was just making the point that other posters have said Notre Dame is over hyped (which I agree with)m all the while blowing up how good a MAC team is. I look at the level of players on both teams and it is pretty obvious who has the most talent. Now with that said WMU has a QB that is considered to be a 1st day pick, yet WMU was still a MAC level team and according to others on here, suck.

I also noticed on other threads that there was an excuse made that Toledo was just that good and would beat most teams on this day and so on. I see this explanation as an excuse to cover the truth, that Toledo much like WMU must just suck because they are a MAC team. It is funny how the tide changes when it is your team getting taken to the wire by a MAC team, they become better when they face OSU, but when they play Michigan it is Michigan who is bad. As another poster mentioned, if you play against MAC schools and struggle, you and they still suck. I don't know take it up with a fellow fan.

@ Dubs---I am not using it as an excuse, I am simply pointing out that MIchigan was missing starters, which is fact. Meanwhile we were playing a rivalry game against a team with talent the likes of Floyd, Wood, and Reddick. You will see UM rest a lot of guys next week vs EMU. I think you can drawl the lines of laying a MAC level school vs playing a rivalry game.

Proven wrong. Michigan won the game, with Denards arm, not legs. You see this is another point in its self. I was actually watching the game with an OSU fan who said man that Denard kid has improved in a new system throwing the ball. MOst of you bucks fans come on here and can't say a single nice word about a MIchigan player, or give credit where it is due. Very Sad.

[seofan_via_dublin]

I said that if ND didn't turn the ball over and controlled penalties, they were 10 points better than UM!
FACT!

5 turnovers again, including their last chance to ice the game!

I said DR couldn't beat you with his arm, then amended to couldn't beat a good defense with his arm!
FACT!!!

The ND defense in the 4th was garbage, for the love of God, play a stinking prevent!

If 11 completions on 24 attempts shows "improved QB in new system", smack the hell out of the "OSU" fan that said it!

11/24, accounting for all but 10 offensive yards.

Like I said, exciting sloppy football, is still sloppy!

[farmer]

I said that about Denard after you said about him winning the game with his arm. I just wanted to see what you thought. HE did make plays at the end. That is why it doesn't matter who is winning earlier in the game or what stats you have it is the final score that matters. Denard has improved in some areas but he is also learning a new offense which is part of why he looks bad at times. Not many drives over 4 plays in the game. UM is learning to play defense this year which they haven't done much under RR.

I think ND is overhyped. They have talent but they have not figured out they have to play the entire game. They seem to have a lot going on. With the QB changes and the Coach saying he needs to change after his temper showed up on tv last week.

This game was a little overhyped since both teams are not what they use to be as well as it being the first night game. UM won the game and the fans enjoyed the after game in the stadium.

[91blue14]

a thriller in the end

[GoBuckeyes2786]

As far as Denard beating you with his arm he did, but only cause he made plays with his feet to scramble out of the pocket, avoid the sack and hit Gallon in stride lol....but in all fairness that was a hell of a game and Michigan was impressive in making their comeback 2 times late like they did. As much as i dislike Michigan I'm always glad to see them beat ND!

I'll give em props too, I liked the throw back uniforms and the night crowd was rockin

[98jettakeoff]

Woulda Coulda Shoulda...Notre Dame let Michigan go 80 yards in three plays with :30 seconds to go.
The Irish 'pass defense' looked a junior high team vs. Tom Brady and the Patriots. Coupled with
the five turnovers for the game (you almost have to TRY to turn the ball over in the red zone like
ND has done first two games), and after their 14-0 and 24-7 leads, ND should have made their
secondary walk home from Ann Arbor. Tommy Rees should be a legend in South Bend today,
after how he drove his team, in hostile territory, after losing a 24-7 lead, down the field and
scored to re-take the lead at 31-28, late in the game. Would many be speaking of Rees today
if Notre Dame had 'survived' to win? Could it be possible for ND to play a game, without
the plethora of penalties? Should Michael Floyd have gone pro instead of coming back to play
in a season like this at ND? Woulda...Coulda...Shoulda.

[Peake]

98 agree with all you said. Notre Dame is loaded with talent, why they can't put it all together I have no idea. Notice I picked against my own team btw.

[GoBuckeyes2786]

Notre Dame is definitely loaded with talent. Especially at the WR group. Their as talented as anyone but can't control turnovers and penalties. I look for another loss at Michigan State. Regardless of the lack of defense, I still give alot of credit to Denard and the Michigan offense to move the ball like they did in the final 30 seconds of the game. The play to gallon was more of a busted play and great communication by him and Robinson but the touchdown to roundtree was a perfectly thrown ball and great catch.

[FlyingBuckeye3]

As an OSU grad, I'll give credit to UM when credit is due but now is not the time. However, I don't think OSU deserves any credit either, with a defense that can't even account for a strong MAC player in Page. As much as I dislike UM I will root for them against almost anyone outside of the Big 10. Not only will wins make for better competition within the conference, it will hopefully get the conference more respect if we can produce some good teams to rival the SEC. As much of an OSU fan as I am, I still pull for the Big 10 in non-conference games. Both teams have a lot of work to do, whether it's without 8 players or 1/5 of the regular starters.

[2trap_4ever]

I just don't understand why the Irish didn't man up on the receivers in that last :30 seconds, why in the world would you play a zone, play man and let them run the clock trying to find receivers.

[Peake]

I don't think it was poor coverage to be honest on the 2nd to last play, Denard was able to avoid the rush step up in the pocket and find an open man only 20 yards down field, the problem was the poor tackling angles once he caught it. They did man up on the final play, that is the reason Michigan was able to throw the fade route, because their was no help over top. They were probably a little scared Denard would take off too is my thoughts.