Why is it that......

[Buckeyefan03]

Ohio State gets beat in two straight National Championship games and everyone is all over their back and discussing how they are overrated and from a somewhat 'weaker' conference? Take a look at Oklahoma. OU has lost their last 4 BCS Bowl Games, yet you never hear about this. Two of those games were National Championships (one in 2005 when they got trounced by USC 55-19 and one in 2004 when they were beat by LSU 21-14). Not to mention getting beat by a non-BCS school in Boise State in 2007. How is it that there is never any talk of this, but when Ohio State loses two straight, they shouldn't even be 'considered' by some for a high profile bowl game?

[BOO YAH]

This information came from Orestes in the Texas vs. Ohio State thread:

"Here are BCS appearances and records by school..... Ignore them if you like...

6 USC 5-1 1 NC

6 Ohio State 4-2 1 NC

6 Oklahoma 2-4 1 NC

6 Florida State 1-5 1 NC

4 LSU 4-0 2 NC (all in Louisiana)
4 Florida 3-1 1 NC
4 Miami 3-1 1 NC
4 Michigan 1-3
3 Georgia 2-1
3 Notre Dame 0-3
3 VaTech 0-3
3 VaTech 0-3
2 Texas 2-0 1 NC
2 West Virginia 2-0
2 Wisconsin 2-0
2 Nebraska 1-1
2 Tennessee 1-1 1 NC
2 Illinois 0-2
2 Texas A&M 0-2
1 Auburn 1-0
1 Boise State 1-0
1 Kansas 1-0
1 Louisville 1-0
1 Oregon 1-0
1 Oregon State 1-0
1 Penn State 1-0
1 Utah 1-0
1 Washington 1-0
1 Alabama 0-1
1 Colorado 0-1
1 Hawaii 0-1
1 Iowa 0-1
1 Kansas State 0-1
1 Maryland 0-1
1 Pittsburgh 0-1
1 Purdue 0-1
1 Stanford 0-1
1 Syracuse 0-1
1 Wake Forest 0-1
1 Washington State 0-1"


4-2 with National Championship does not sound like a bad program to me. If any team should be called overated or be shunned, it should be Notre Dame. The most over-rated school ever.

[Buckeyefan03]

I'll second that BOO YAH. I find it funny that after one season, the Irish Faithfuls were bowing down to Charlie Weiss and then he goes on to have the same record as the guy he replaced, Tyrone Willingham...Hmmmm..

[fightingtigers45]

I'll second that BOO YAH. I find it funny that after one season, the Irish Faithfuls were bowing down to Charlie Weiss and then he goes on to have the same record as the guy he replaced, Tyrone Willingham...Hmmmm..

Willingham had more success than Weis, IMO.

If Weis was black, he would be gone.

[BOO YAH]

Wow.

[BOO YAH]

I believe Ohio State is still a legit team who got beat, and it just so happens that everyone was watching. Could success be somewhat measured by actually having the chance to play for a title? Not when you are OSU, I guess because everyone expects you to win. People who do not follow OSU could be jumping on the bashing wagon only for the reason that while everyone is buckeye hating, none of the attention is being aimed at their favorite teams who never had a chance.

[fightingtigers45]

Willingham:

Year 1: 10-3
2: 5-7
3: 6-5

Weis:

Year 1: 9-3
2: 10-3
3: 3-9 (Beat UCLA, Duke, Stanford) Lost to Navy and Air Force
4: 6-6 (Beat Navy, Stanford, Washington, Purdue, San Diego State, and Michigan)

Give Ty his fourth year, and he probably wins 9-10 games. Weis should have been canned after year three, and definitely canned after year 4. Oh well, he will go 7-5 next year and then be fired.

[fightingtigers45]

I believe Ohio State is still a legit team who got beat, and it just so happens that everyone was watching. Could success be somewhat measured by actually having the chance to play for a title? Not when you are OSU, I guess because everyone expects you to win. People who do not follow OSU could be jumping on the bashing wagon only for the reason that while everyone is buckeye hating, none of the attention is being aimed at their favorite teams who never had a chance.

Yes, the Sooners got trounced a few times. However, the BCS games they lose are forgotten when another team steps in and takes it also. Ohio State was the clear cut best team in the 2006 regular season. They got beat 41-14 by a team who backed into the title game. In 2007, they got lucky to be there. Yet, lost by over two scores to a team that had previously had two losses. It just so happens that both teams were from the same conference. And then, this year, USC beats them by four TDs. They have had a bad run at it as of late, but I dont expect it to last for long.

[Buckeyefan03]

I agree with you fightingtigers and it could be considered making excuses on my part. The USC game should not have been as ugly as it actually was. If Beanie plays and possibly Tress sticks with Pryor the whole game. What would the consequence be? An answer we will never know. But a loss is a loss, nonetheless. The other loss against Penn State came down to one big play. Both teams played rather well on defense and it was the big defenseive play that Penn State had that won the game for them. I also agree though that last year we needed a little luck on our side to get in.

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Anyway you slice it Ohio State is 33-5 the last 3 seasons...... Thats a GREAT record....

The losses have been to USC, Florida, LSU, Illinois and PSU. 2 eventual National Champions, 2 Rose Bowl teams, and USC (enough said)....

People are quick to jump on them, but during that time they have also beaten #2 Texas, #2 Michigan, several ranked Big 10 teams (PSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, MSU)

People who complain about OSU are fans of other teams that probably arent doing any better.

In 2006 Ohio State was introduced to an SEC gameplan and lost.
In 2007 Ohio State happened to fall into the BCS title game and a home game for LSU. (OSU was up 10-0, if thats at a true neutral site OSU wins)
And the USC game was simply a dominating team beating a team with a lot of questions.....

Ohio State will be fine, as will Tressel..... OSU is still a premier program which is why they are the BEST cold weather school at recruiting.

That all being said.... god I hope they beat Texas haha

GO BUCKS

[fightingtigers45]

Anyway you slice it Ohio State is 33-5 the last 3 seasons...... Thats a GREAT record....

The losses have been to USC, Florida, LSU, Illinois and PSU. 2 eventual National Champions, 2 Rose Bowl teams, and USC (enough said)....

People are quick to jump on them, but during that time they have also beaten #2 Texas, #2 Michigan, several ranked Big 10 teams (PSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, MSU)

People who complain about OSU are fans of other teams that probably arent doing any better.

In 2006 Ohio State was introduced to an SEC gameplan and lost.
In 2007 Ohio State happened to fall into the BCS title game and a home game for LSU. (OSU was up 10-0, if thats at a true neutral site OSU wins)
And the USC game was simply a dominating team beating a team with a lot of questions.....

Ohio State will be fine, as will Tressel..... OSU is still a premier program which is why they are the BEST cold weather school at recruiting.

That all being said.... god I hope they beat Texas haha

GO BUCKS

I agree with some of it, yes. But to call it a home game for LSU. No way. I dont buy it.

[BOO YAH]

How could that not have been considered a home game for LSU?

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WHAAAAAATTTT?????? You obviously weren't there..... You were 70 miles from their campus as opposed to 1,000 for Ohio State.... If you walked around the city, skyscrapers had their office lights on to spell out LSU in the windows, everywhere you walked was LSU LSU LSU.... I went into a Home Depot the morning of the game and heard the announcement "Would the OSU fans please leave the store.... GEUX Tigers" And then you got to the game! I had OSU tickets and was surrounded by Tigers.... When LSU came out it was sooooo LOUD.....

If thats not a home game, I don't know what is.....I would like to hear feedback from any others who might've been at the game.... I've been to the last 3 bowl games and I'll tell you OSU/UF in Arizona was VERY even and balanced and a TRUE neutral game...

[fightingtigers45]

WHAAAAAATTTT?????? You obviously weren't there..... You were 70 miles from their campus as opposed to 1,000 for Ohio State.... If you walked around the city, skyscrapers had their office lights on to spell out LSU in the windows, everywhere you walked was LSU LSU LSU.... I went into a Home Depot the morning of the game and heard the announcement "Would the OSU fans please leave the store.... GEUX Tigers" And then you got to the game! I had OSU tickets and was surrounded by Tigers.... When LSU came out it was sooooo LOUD.....

If thats not a home game, I don't know what is.....I would like to hear feedback from any others who might've been at the game.... I've been to the last 3 bowl games and I'll tell you OSU/UF in Arizona was VERY even and balanced and a TRUE neutral game...

I agree. Outside the stadium was probably neutral. Inside the stadium, it looked fairly even. May not have been 50/50, but it wasnt 80/20 LSU.

LSU fans are loud regardless. Put em in a dome and their louder.

I just wouldnt call it a HOME game for LSU. LSU's home games are almost unmatched by any other school in the country. Thats why I wouldnt call it a home game.

Also, I think LSU would have won a neutral site as well.

[BOO YAH]

So if that game were played in Cleveland, or Cincinnati, would you still consider that a neutral site?

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WOW..... thats hilarious....

"• How much of an advantage would LSU have playing in New Orleans? It was a decided edge, but the Louisiana Superdome was pretty quiet when the Buckeyes went ahead 10-0. Once the Tigers started rolling, though, it was more like an LSU home game. "

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls07/n ... id=3185309


And you know whats even funnier? You said an LSU home game is so amazing and that their is nothing like it..... That must take amazing fans.... And if you play a National Championship game 85 miles from home and your fans DONT dominate? Im sorry your fans arent that amazing.....

[theassassin]

i thought osu always travels so well...... dont give me the lsu home game crap. that is nothing but an excuse.
as for playing the game in cleveland or cincy....... who the hell wants to come to ohio in january? the bowls always have been and always will be in the south. get over it

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What?

Boise and Toronto get games? They are jus like Cincy or Dayton?


Excuse? less than 100 miles... you can't say that doesnt give an advantage? I know a whole lot more Buckeyes would be at the game if it was even at the Lucas Oil Stadium

[Buckeyefan03]

What?

Boise and Toronto get games? They are jus like Cincy or Dayton?


Excuse? less than 100 miles... you can't say that doesnt give an advantage? I know a whole lot more Buckeyes would be at the game if it was even at the Lucas Oil Stadium

I agree with you. OSU fans travel very well. Reading from the ticket broker's website from one of the tour groups, they booked 7 flights to Arizona for the Bowl Package a couple years back. This year they expect it to be lower due to the financial crisis, but nonetheless Buckeye Faithful travel. This being said, the schools get a set amount of tickets then after that they are released to the public. One has to believe that more people around the hosting city are going to buy tickets to go to the game than people that are 1,000 miles away. I also agree that there need to be some Bowl games in the north. Nothing tests a college quarterback and potential professional career status than playing in less than perfect conditions. Right or wrong?

[BOO YAH]

I'm not saying that the Buckeyes would have won if the game was played else where, but look at what the thread is about. I think the media would be calling this an unfair advantage if a BCS bowl game involving OSU were played 80 miles from campus, let alone within the state.

You cannot honestly say that there would not be any kind of advantage from this.

Also, I can't stand hearing the announcers calling the bowl games involving OSU. They seem to be biased on which team they talk about or build up. I'd rather watch with the mute on.