Brian Hartline SKIPPING SENIOR SEASON TO GO PRO

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

What's your thoughts on this?
I see a 4th or 5th round pick if that high.

[Orestes]

I'm pretty sure he is graduating and is also getting married. Plus, he is a 4th round or later guy now but will likely be one every year.

As for me, get D. Washington to announce he is coming back and I am happy. He is the main guy that needs to return.

[abuck76]

Agreed.............

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I think it's def a plus for Ohio State. Even losing Beanie I can take a positive from that. Hartline and Robiskie were never the flashy WR's were used to at OSU (Ginn, Holmes, Jenkins, Boston). They were good 3rd n 4th guys but they could never take over a game. By them leaving we allow some very capable WR'S to take some games over. As for Beanie, with the new freshman Berry and Herron we get a quick speed game that will work well with Pryor. Beanie is a great back, but with him we'd run it up the middle, he'd get a stinger and we'd be giving the ball off to Herron up the middle.... I just think it's going to be a good thing to get some fresh young faces in there.


Go Buckeyes!

[Peake]

Anyone who thinks losing Benie is a good thing is crazy. So Beanie gets hurt and then the running game becomes stagnant, but these are the same guys that are going to be better then Beanie? WOW!

I would not trade Beanie for about 99% of the backs that have played in the last 10 years in college football. Berry has yet to take a carry, and watching him in the ESPN game, he didn't look like he was going to set the world on fire. Just wait to see how much Beanie is missed next season.

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

I am interested in see how Jordan Hall ca do. I know he is only 5-9 180 but he has good speed and was a teammate of Pryor in high school.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiti ... son%3d2009

[fbnut]

I am guessing hall will redshirt. Losing washington is a big loss, not a lot of experience behind him at corner. I like the young wr's. I wasn't much of fan of hartline, I read where the chemistry wasn't the best in the lockerroom and he was one of the reasons.

[Orestes]

Anyone who thinks losing Benie is a good thing is crazy. So Beanie gets hurt and then the running game becomes stagnant, but these are the same guys that are going to be better then Beanie? WOW!

I would not trade Beanie for about 99% of the backs that have played in the last 10 years in college football. Berry has yet to take a carry, and watching him in the ESPN game, he didn't look like he was going to set the world on fire. Just wait to see how much Beanie is missed next season.

I can see two positives from Beanie leaving and you know how great I think he is....

1) It SHOULD force JT to put the ball in the air and to be more creative on offense. Apparently, Flash Thomas will also be involved in the running game next season. Also, OSU is going to Oregon to study their offensive scheme.

2) Beanie was great. The offense depended on him, but like Mike Hart, his body did not allow him to be dependable. In a game full of emotions, it sucks when your workhorse cannot play. It is a blow to the stomach, which knocks the wind out of the team's momentum. OSU could never count on the guy and it happened again in the UT game. Sometimes, I wonder if it is better to have a 1,300 yard rusher like Pittman who is never hurt, than a possible 2,000 yard guy that is in and out all of the time.


Otherwise, Beanie is awesome and it stinks that he will be gone. Though, I think people are counting out Boom Herron too quickly. He reminds me of Pittman.


As for corner, get ready for Devon Torrence who is very smooth and athletic and Travis Howard who supposedly gets rave reviews from the coaches such as, "The next great OSU corner." It will be fun to watch them develop but I would feel a lot better with DWash back in the lineup. After the above mentioned guys, you now get into freshman and guys who have shown very little.

[OZZIEOHIO]

I think we need some new OFFENSE coaches. The defense would be ok if we could score some points.

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

I think we need some new OFFENSE coaches. The defense would be ok if we could score some points.

Tressel ball no longer works and with him calling the plays I can't see a big change on the offensive side of things.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Good for Brian, he is likely a 4th round guy this year or next,
but with a good combine could jump up to high 3rd round.

He's already been in college for 4 years, he'll be getting his degree,
he has a family, and he's in a system that isn't going to turn a
solid possesion reciever into a second or first round guy.

Him leaving opens up the opportunities for Jake Stoneburner,
Dane Sanzenbacher, Posey, Thomas, and Carter.

With out the dependable, between the tackles, time eater, type
running back the Buckeyes spread out and run 4 wides next year
anyway. They are loaded with potential, it's just a matter of turning that
potential into useful talent.

I have no fear in saying that the Buckeyes offense has the ability to put 35-45 points
on the board each week next year.

Tressel coaches to his talent and his teams defensive ability, next year will be tough starting
for the defense, so expect to see the offense turn it up and help the D out emensley.

[Orestes]

Correct me if I am wrong... but isn't Tressel Ball - Great D, Great special teams, conservative/time eating offense that takes chances when they're in good field-position?

Ladies and gentlemen, tune in for some good Tressel Ball this Sunday with the Steelers and Ravens.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Exactly, and it ain't broke, just needs better parts.

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

Correct me if I am wrong... but isn't Tressel Ball - Great D, Great special teams, conservative/time eating offense that takes chances when they're in good field-position?

Ladies and gentlemen, tune in for some good Tressel Ball this Sunday with the Steelers and Ravens.

Didn't you forget getting beat in the big time games to that list?

[Orestes]

Correct me if I am wrong... but isn't Tressel Ball - Great D, Great special teams, conservative/time eating offense that takes chances when they're in good field-position?

Ladies and gentlemen, tune in for some good Tressel Ball this Sunday with the Steelers and Ravens.

Didn't you forget getting beat in the big time games to that list?

Haha... JT hasn't forgotten how to coach and the game hasn't changed much since 2002-2005.

I would wager that most of it has to do with MoC and Troy Smith scandal backlash. I can count 10-12 recruits that verbally mentioned their lack of interest in OSU because of possible probation and ESPN witch-hunting. Then wham.. nothing happens.. and in 2008 and 2009 OSU is putting together big time classes.

OSU lacked talent in the trenches and at the WR spot after Ted JR and Gonzo. That is changing right now.

If this becomes a 5+ year trend, I'll be right there with you. But right now, I'm with Mack Brown and the rest of JT's colleagues (their opinion is quite high).


And btw, I'm no fan of the Steelers or Ravens, but I get a little aroused thinking about watching them play. Just nasty... their games... against each other and against other teams.... are just street fights...

[Orestes]

And just in case Mack Brown bragging on Jim Tressel is not enough... here is more to back "insider" claims that JT is one of the most if not the most respected (in all aspects) coaches in college football...

http://www.leadercall.com/sports/local_story_016095951.html?keyword=topstory

Greg Byrne, athletic director at MSU, believes he has found the right man to lead the Bulldog program in the right direction.

“Before we started looking for our new head coach, I contacted Jim Tressel, head coach at Ohio State, about what he saw the potentials in a good coach should be,” said Byrne. “The last thing he said about new Dan Mullen was that he was a proven winner.”

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

I am a bottom line type of person and the bottom line is as of late the way things are at Ohio State is not working and it has not worked for a few years now.

Right now State is one of the best teams in the weakest major conference in the nation.

As of right now they can not win the big time game(bowls)

These are facts not thoughts on this.

[seofan_via_dublin]

I am a bottom line type of person and the bottom line is as of late the way things are at Ohio State is not working and it has not worked for a few years now.

Right now State is one of the best teams in the weakest major conference in the nation.

As of right now they can not win the big time game(bowls)

These are facts not thoughts on this.

But what contributes to the bottom line, if you want to fix the bottom line you need
to figure the answer to that question out.

Bottom line is, the Buckeyes were less talented than Florida, LSU, USC, and Texas.
Tressel was hurt by negative recruiting and false info about sanctions and OSU issues.
Now that those issues have passed and the recruiting classes have went from mid teens to top 3-5
those talent issues will be null.

Tressel is a better coach than 98% of his peers, he has played a tough group of opponets
and has lost to better talent, not better coaching.

If we are sitting here having this same discussion in 2011 after having Pryor and his batch
of merry top recruits, then I'll agree that maybe we need a change, but not until then.

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

I am a bottom line type of person and the bottom line is as of late the way things are at Ohio State is not working and it has not worked for a few years now.

Right now State is one of the best teams in the weakest major conference in the nation.

As of right now they can not win the big time game(bowls)

These are facts not thoughts on this.

But what contributes to the bottom line, if you want to fix the bottom line you need
to figure the answer to that question out.

Bottom line is, the Buckeyes were less talented than Florida, LSU, USC, and Texas.
Tressel was hurt by negative recruiting and false info about sanctions and OSU issues.
Now that those issues have passed and the recruiting classes have went from mid teens to top 3-5
those talent issues will be null.

Tressel is a better coach than 98% of his peers, he has played a tough group of opponets
and has lost to better talent, not better coaching.

If we are sitting here having this same discussion in 2011 after having Pryor and his batch
of merry top recruits, then I'll agree that maybe we need a change, but not until then.

I will talk to you then about this.

[Orestes]

The Big Ten is not factually the weakest major conference. Bowl game records are not a good standard for which to judge.

Look at conference bowl slates. Now, tell me how many conferences played better than USC, Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida State, Missouri, and Kansas?

I would love to see the Big East, ACC, or even Pac 10 (who went unbeaten in bowl games) match up against this slate...


Also, the bottom line does not hand select games as to prove one's point. When OSU wins, that game gets wiped away as meaningless. Had they hung on against PSU, it would have been, "Eh. PSU is in the Big10."

Plus, it is not wise to make changes based on knee-jerk reactions. JT has won at every level and he is not new to this game. What we have seen in bowl games lately is a dip in a much larger flowchart.