8th Girls Jackson over Chillicothe 80 to 3...... why?

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Re: 8th Girls Jackson over Chillicothe 80 to 3...... why?

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sprinter14 wrote:Last night, the Chillicothe Girls Junior High teams traveled to Jackson to play basketball. The 8th Grade Jackson Lady Ironmen won the lopsided affair by a final score of 80 to 3. Congratulations on a very good fundamental basketball team!! However, I am going to question the means by which the score was run to 80 points.

First I have to give the background. These girls played Jackson twice last year as 7th graders and already played once this season. All 3 previous games had resulted in similar blowout scores in favor of Jackson. So coming into this game, the Jackson coach had to know she was favored by 60 plus.

We had only 8 players last night for the Lady Cavs. Four of whom had violated team policy and would be benched for the first quarter. I applaud our coach for starting 4 players against Jackson’s 5. Our coach told the Jackson coach what his plan was and her reply was that she would not press while we had four on the court.

Jackson’s first 2 points were on the board literally 5 seconds into the game. Less than 4 minutes in, the score was already 15 to 0. As soon as our fifth player checked into the game, the Jackson coach immediately turned on the full court press with a lead somewhere near 20 to 0.

With 17 seconds remaining in the half, and the score 36 to 0 in favor of Jackson, the coach told her players to “look at the clock” to make sure they hit that last 3 pointer to go up 39 to 0 at the half.

Throughout the second half, the impressive Lady Ironmen continued to roll up the points. Stealing the ball at will from out inept ball handlers and driving the length of the court for layups. Stopping only occasionally to nail the 3 pointers that helped increase the lead even faster.

Finally……..mercifully, with 1:11 to play in the game, the Jackson coach told her players to “slow it down”. And the girls quit driving in the layups and began holding the ball to run the clock out. I guess since the 100 mark was out of reach, it wasn’t worth trying anymore.

Final score 80 to 3

Now, here’s my points

First in Jackson’s defense:

1) She only had 7 players and she did a good job of playing all seven. She didn’t have a lot of inexperienced kids to sub in.

2) She shouldn’t have started 4 just because we did (and she didn‘t). Our kids were the ones in trouble, not hers.

3) I agree, you never tell your kids NOT to play hard

4) Jackson’s coach also looks to be 20 years old or younger, so maybe she hasn’t learned etiquette yet.

But here is my beef with this………..there is STILL a thing known as ETIQUETTE in sports.

This was clearly a case of the famous quote, “name your score”. And the Lady Ironmen coach named her score to the tune of 80 to 3. I honestly believe she would have been content with 100 to 0.

My take on it………please correct me if I’m wrong, but I have coached before and this is what I would have done: Jackson’s coach should have:

1) Never pressed in a game when you are favored by 60

2) Maybe pull a player and played 4 on 4 once you are up 15 only four minutes into the game.

3) Pull your defense back into a zone to allow the opposing team to attempt to run something that resembles an offense.

4) Ask your girls to quit driving the ball the length of the court for uncontested layups and instead setting up and running plays. Work on offensive strategies with 5 passes before any shot.

5) and no 3 pointers!! I would have told the girls after 5 passes, somebody take a sensible 2 pointer.

Now, this is not asking the girls to NOT play hard. This is just changing the strategy of the game to name your score a little differently. More to the tune of 65 to 15 or something of the nature.

Now, is Jackson’s coach or the fans PROUD of winning 80 to 3 instead of something closer to 65 to 15??

Show me anyone who would rather win 80 - 3 and I will show you one sad, sad, sad individual.


One last thing:

Thank you to the referees, games like that are the hardest to call and they gave us some favorable calls.

Also, thank you to the Jackson fans who applauded when our girl hit our only field goal of the night!!

And to the Jackson fan who hollered to the girls to “keep playin hard and work on your game” and cheered SOO loudly when the girls were scoring into the 70’s……..well, I can’t say to you what I’d like to on this board……….


let me guess.......

an older gentleman recording the game with a hand held cam corder :?: ...no surprise :roll:


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Re: 8th Girls Jackson over Chillicothe 80 to 3...... why?

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I think you are slamming the wrong coach here. She prepares those girls to be the best they can be. They set goals and they work hard to acheive them. It is not her job to teach your girls to shoot or to play defense. Why should our girls have to play "down" to make it look better? They could've won 125-0 if they had wanted to so its not like they played their hardest the entire game. I will agree that the cheering probably should be kept in check but when your child is playing its easy to get carried away. You never go into the week practicing to take it easy on someone so dont start jumping on our coach because she doesn't have an "off" switch to slow these girls down...


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Well, obviously a lot of Jackson fans have replied. My original question was, do you all really think that winning 80 - 3 is justifiable??? If so, please refer to what I said in the original post. Mighty Oak said he would have pressed us with 4 players and won by over 100. Again, see my original post.

Ironman, I don't appreciate being called a liar. I have the video. I just watched it again. Our 5th player finally checked into the game with the score 15-0 and they began pressing immediately. Now, after watching the video again, they didn't press for long, only a few posessions.

Sportsfan43, if early 30's is an "older gentleman" then yes, you have the right guy. But I don't think any Jackson fans were in my immediate vicinity.

One last thing. I never said anything personally bad about the Jackson coach. I can tell by her demeanor that she is probably a pretty good girl. And probably had never been in that situation before. And like I said, Jackson is a great team........not taking anything away from them at all. Good luck to them the rest of the year. Four years from now, those girls should make some noise in high school playoffs, and being that I support all local teams, I will be pulling for them.

Chillicothe's program problems have a lot to do with the lack of organization at the grade school level. Our 7th grade team that is kickin butt is a product of PAL (a police department club program). The current 2 coaches in our Junior High program are great guys and both in their first year. So please don't hold them responsible for what you saw the other night!

Thanks to everyone who voiced their opinions on the matter and for the PM's.


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When something like this happens ---Jackson should have been playing as if it was a practice game. Teaching the players a little more about the game.

Pressing five on four will not help a team one bit when they will need to press five on five on down the road. Driving the middle will not help when there will be five on defense the next game.

Sometimes coaches just get ate up on blowing teams out.

Five years from now Chillicothe will remimber this game. Meaning---this might be turned around in the future.


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Jackson at no time pressed 5 on 4 and barely pressed during the game.


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NORPLAY66

YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

AND I DON'T THINK THE JACKSON GIRLS ARE WORRIED ABOUT CHILICOTHE IN THE FUTURE....


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80-3? I watched some pretty bad jr high girls teams in my day, and sometimes, there nothing you can do to stop it the blowout. Even with the running clock, those shots they do take will drop and the other team can't hit the broadside of the barn. it happens. get over it.


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Personally if i had just lost 80-3 the last thing i would want to have happen is someone post it on a discussion board so it could be talked about the rest of the season.

I think teaching your kids personal responsibility for the loss (rather than saying someone ran up the score) goes a long way in improving your program. My belief is that the chillicothe girls are afforded the same opportunity as the girls from Jackson to improve their basketball abilities. It shouldn't be held against the Jackson players or their coach because they have put the work in to win games 80-3. Honestly how do you or why would you want to tell a girl " I know you have busted your butt for the last 14 years to showcase your talents in a 14 game season but i don't want you to play hard because your opposition hasn't put in the same work".


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Look the Jackson girls are tough, no one disagrees with that..but if it is true that your pulling up for 3 pointers on the break and trying to score another 3 before the half to help the score when you are up by 36 well? But I wasn't there, and like I said sometimes it is hard to stop a kid in that situation, when we teach them to score. But I have watched alot of games and coached alot of games, sometimes the coach needs to tell his/her players to slow the ball down, quit pulling up for threes. Work on the offense, if you get a steal, slow it down, lets work on offensive fundamentals, passing the ball, in a game like this you get no benefit from just scoring layups. I would have used that time to work on getting the ball to the post, moving the ball, having players work on moving and different moves. Then if we don't get stopped and we score not my problem. I tried to keep the score down, but I wouldn't keep my kids from scoring in an offnesive set, I would have kept them driving for layups. that is what I mean by showing a little discretion as a coach and teaching kids game etiquette. You wouldn't punish them for working harder than the other team, but you wouldnt humilate a clearly overmatched opponent, like I said you may have to apply for job somewhere else..

Also I have met many parents on the street or in a store who made it point to tell me that I had a great team, and that their team was overmatched and they appreciated the fact we scored alot, but not by just doing layup drills.


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PD, I can safely tell you that none of the nine girls on our team have ever even heard of this message board.

Also, these girls are suffering partly due to their own lack of work, but also, Chillicothe has a very unorganized girls grade school program that actually hurts me to even call it a "program".

These girls have paid the price for a lack of effort and organization from some adults.

I coached these kids in 5th grade and there was some talent and ability. However, after losing every game in 6th and 7th grade, any kid who did have a little talent bailed out thanks to the wonderful open enrollment. Of my 10 kids on that 5th grade team, only 3 are on the team as 8th graders. And one of those 3 did not play as a 6th grader.

It's just an all around bad situation for these girls. Trust me, we are doing what we can.


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why stop them from shooting three's? they need to work on those to compete at the high school level as well


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I said off the break, when you do it off the break it is like you are trying to run up the score, and trust me these girls can stroke the three better than most highschoolers..I said you slow it down work the offense and if something is there in course of running your offense then shoot it, but when they are up and the other team has not scored, obviously your defense is working and the other team needs work. It is just good coaching etiquette to slow it down and no embarass someone outright. Parents can live with you winning big if you are scoring in the confines of your offense and their team just cant stop you, but when you are stealing everything and are blowing the game out, work on your teams skills even more, this game was not beneficial to either team.


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What is wrong with holding out for a final 3 at the buzzer IN THE 2ND QTR??????????

Pressing up by 30+ (which did not happen) would be 10X more "rubbing it in"...then holding the ball for a final 3 at the half.


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Re: 8th Girls Jackson over Chillicothe 80 to 3...... why?

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First, you can't start a game with 4 players so Chillicothe did not start with four players.


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Yes Texas, you are correct. If you want to get technical about it, we had 5 girls on the floor when the ball was tipped because you must. Then our 5th kids stepped off the floor. The point is, we played MOST of the 1st quarter with 4 kids.


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I was at the game and saw many Jackson fans cheering when a basket was made along with myself, it wasn't trying to embarrass anyone, the chillicothe girls played very hard and had missed many shot attempts that came close. my cheering was happy that a shot fell good for them. They did play very hard and showed character.

Sprinter, I was disapppointed to hear you say that you were proud of your coach for playing just 4 to disipline other girls. I understand viewing form a coaching stand point but must ask: IN THAT SITUATION, DID PUNISHMENT COME TO ONLY THOSE LEFT ON THE BENCH [u][/u]OR WAS THE WHOLE TEAM PUNISHED HERE. I like the style of the Cavs 8th grade coach, always positive, enthusiastic.

? to chilli, did Smith junior high ever beat teams really bad like that ? I know "yes" leave the score be and help your girls by continuing to suttport them and let this topic rest.

Best of luck to chillicothe, from a Jackson parent, I appreciated see you play hard the entire game and I would be willing to pay to watch you play again, the girls will continue to build CHARACTER, will improve their skills and be better people in the future.

BEST OF LUCK CAVS!


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The girls were over it an hour after the game. They had a good practice this morning and are ready for a game they can stay close in tomorrow night, maybe even pull off a win. The last time they played this team, they led for a good while and only lost by 10.

Yes, it was punishing the other four who did start, BUT, those four also made it a point to say they were proud to have started four. You gotta love those kids, they just want to play ball. I don't think they even cared what the scoreboard said after a while.

As for Smith Jr high beating teams, I have no clue. I'm not a native of Chilli. Its all been one Junior High since we have lived here.

Thanks for the kind words!


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Re: 8th Girls Jackson over Chillicothe 80 to 3...... why?

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Doesnt matter the better ones will play in Oak Hill within the next year or two. Then the will pay Jackson back :lol:


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Re: 8th Girls Jackson over Chillicothe 80 to 3...... why?

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for one thing jackson and oak hill do not play each other and these girls are jackson through and through. sorry about your luck patty cake.


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Re: 8th Girls Jackson over Chillicothe 80 to 3...... why?

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Hate to but in,but what would you do if you played teams like that all season?12 out of 14 weeks.


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