Swine flu vaccinations

[mstangmom]

Just curious, when the swine flu shots come out how many will be getting them for themselves or their famiy members?

The only ones in my family that gets the flu shot is my husband and elderly family members.

To me though it seems like they are rushing this for the swine flu and opening themselves up to to many errors, and possible debilitating side affects.


What are your thought??????

[swbaseballfan]

i wont be getting it

[orange-n-brown 365]

My hubby and I do get the flu shot. missed it last year he got really sick I didn't
Unless our doctor strongly suggests it we won't get it... I sanitize things really good when I go grocery shopping and carry hand sanitizer in my purse to use after heading in places and touching door knobs etc.

[mstangmom]

didn't I read somewhere, or maybe heard it on tv where they were going to have schools giveing out the shots. were they planning on making those madatory for kids? I for one will refuse them for my kid until I know way more than I do know.

[caglewis]

I remember getting the newly available polio shot at school back in the 1950's. I doubt that any of you even know what polio is or its horrible cripplng, killing effects because ALL of you and your kids either got that shot - or then the subsequently developed oral dose vaccination against it.
As an RN, I find it diffcicult to believe anybody who objects to or rejects preventive medicine when the effectiveness of vaccination has had such proven results over such a long period of time. Smallpox and polio and measles are virtually unknown now BECAUSE preventive vaccinations were discovered, developed, made widely available, and required of all. Doing so eliminated a geat many contagious diseases.
MERCY - get your flu shots and get your kids one too - the wider/bigger the immunized population, the fewer the cases and the less risk of infected/sick people unintentionally spreading a potentially debilitating/killing disease around. Refusing to do so on the basis of "personal freedom" puts everyone around you at greater risk - same thing as driving drunk, or recklessly, or hugely speeding does - and there are laws against doing all that.

[mstangmom]

Cage- I know how the polio vacine helped and even the smallpox vacine. As for the regular flu shots, The one and only time my kids and I got the shot we were sick for days and got the flu 3 times that year. everytime my husband gets the shot he gets sick immediatly, but then does good the rest of the winter. In the last ten years I have gotten the flu once. My kids have not gotten the flu by not taking the shot. I know that it can happen though.

As for the swine flu shot, it just seems they are rushing it a bit. How much time and research is really being put into it? what are the long term effects of it? there just seems to be to may questions is all and I want more information before the shots are given to any of my loved ones.

[tigermama]

I recently read an article that back in the eighties when there was a swine flu scare, the vaccine they gave caused some people to have Guillain Barre's Syndrome (not sure about the spelling). This syndrome causes an ascending paralysis that most people end up on a ventilator and there were multiple people that died. More people died from the vaccine than the swine flu. I will not be getting one because I don't believe they have done enough research on them.

[orange-n-brown 365]

how many die from just the regular flu a year?? we never hear that..
I think the cart was put before the course on this ...

my son got the chicken pox vaccine as an infant and 2 years ago he got the chicken pox and it was a pretty bad case of them... so do vaccines work?

[mstangmom]

See I didn't trust the chicken pox vacine either, I exposed my kids to it when they were like 5 and suffered through it. With thant one it was not so much will it work at that time, but how long would it work. I feared then that if they got the shot at such a young age would it still be effective when they were adults.

I just think with this swine flu shot that We just started hearing about the outbreaks not even a year ago and here they rushing production of a shot. where are the studies on this shot, I know a few people have volunteered to get the shot I saw that on the news about a month ago and while they are not showing any shot term affects how does that show what long term affects it would have.

[drdano]

Polio Vaccine in its early batches caused many new cases of polio. Dr. Sulk was sickened over this. It was found that a ‘few’ batches were bad, live serum had been used in it instead of "Dead" serum. Once this was corrected the vaccine worked as expected. This has been the case over time for more than one vaccine, as noted in this thread. Normal side affects will happen and are expected in a very small group of people. Please keep in mind that with so many lawsuits over "bad drugs and vaccines" in the U.S. no vaccines are actually produced here. (The research is done here but not sold or given to the public.) Some are made in Canada and the others overseas. (Filing of Law Suites is more difficult in other countries. For non-citizens of that country)
As far as testing I understand the US military will be given it first.....so if it is bad I guess that the military personnel can be expendable after all. But will the public ever know???? If the vaccine is really working???? With the way our by-partisan Government Lies and all to its own people? Of course, it will work! DrD

[orange-n-brown 365]

both me girls had chicken pox at a young age.. son number one had the vaccine hung around his brother just in case so he could stay home also but he wasn't lucky his vaccine worked....
I still think more research needs to be done before I commit to getting one or anyone in the family

[caglewis]

The problems noted above were mostly associated with "manufacturing" and "preservative" techniques and procedures at that time! That was decades ago, and there has been PLENTY of research done on how to make, store, and administer vaccines since then. The fact that H1N1 "Swine" Flu is a different viral illness and strain doesn't mean that producing a vaccine against it requires a "start-from-scratch", "re-invent the wheel" research strategy. The methodology of vaccine production has been thoroughly studied, researched, tested, and refined over many decades. Tweaking the method to fit each specific and particular new virus is just a simple matter of "steering/aiming" proven technology - NOT "rushing it", "jumping the gun" , "putting the cart before the horse" or doing anything totally new, different, and untested.
VACCINATION is a well-researched, thoroughly studied, medically proven method of preventing disease. Proof of having had smallpox and polio vaccines was made mandatory for all school children - it worked pretty well, don't you think? How many cases of either of them do you know of now?
What makes influenza - "flu" - different is that viruses mutate all the time - develop both resistance and new strains rather quickly - and last year's vaccines don't necessarily work against this year's varieties. So it requires a new shot or two every year to keep your protection current.
MERCY - get your flu shot - especially if it's offered you or your children either free or at minimal cost. Prevention is so much easier, less costly, and less painful in all ways than treatment is!!!
I know, I know, I said all this before; and of course if you're systemically allergic or in the past have proven to have ideopathic sensitivity, then flu shots aren't for you.
BUT FOR EVERYONE ELSE - GET A FLU SHOT [OR SHOTS] FOR GOODNESS SAKE.
It's such an easy thing to do - and like the 55-mph speed limit - is a proven life-saver. But somehow people don't feel inclined to abide by "life-saving" suggestions voluntarily - in fact many PROUDLY flaunt them - so GOVERNMENT is forced to step in, make rules, and enforce them for the protection and greater good of all of us. To wit: I quit smoking because of increasing tax cost and governmental restrictions. Greater good for all, medical benefit for me - I still really miss the pleasure of my bad habit, but I, and all those in my vicinity, am certainly ultimately better off. My "bad habit" was easily seen, condemned and legislated against; but unknowingly spreading flu germs around because you refused to get a flu shot is just as dangerous as second-hand-smoke but much less visibly obvious.
I would get thrown out of most public places if I chose to light a cigarette there these days; but you can cough and sneeze on everyone around you without breaking any law, and no place ever takes anyone's temperature as a requirement for entering their establishment. GET A FLU SHOT

[sghsrebel09]

caglewis, I applaud you.

[mstangmom]

caglewis, I am not trying to argue but one thing I have wondered is how do we know that by giving the flu shots we are not the ones making the flue strain worse? Sometimes I just think things need to take their course.
The smallox and vaccine for the most part eliminated those diseases (except in 3rd world countries) but you said yourself the flue keeps evolving. it is not something we will ever totally get rid of, so in essence we are only making it worse. I am only talking about the flu, I don't really know much about this H1N1 but they have changed their monds so much about it I couldn't tell you if I should go to the Dr. and get antibiotics or if I should go to wal-mart and get some day quil. but if it going to become resistant to antibiotics then it will become resistant to the shot. there for only making things worse.

I know with my history of the flu shot I will not be getting it nor will my kids, My husband he will.

the H1N1 shot, I don't know enough about to decide to get it yet. Is it made from the same stuff the flu shot is? and just curious why wouldn't 1 shot like the H1N1 shot cover the regular flu?

[orange-n-brown 365]

gotta talk to the doc's office today and i'll see what they say about my hubby and the piggy flu shot... both of us will most def get the regular flu shot....

[Mouth's Better Half]

I used to work in a school for students with disabilities. We were (staff)encouraged to get our flu shots because some of our students had severe health problems and flu could risk their lives. I always got one. I got one last year and had a pretty healthy winter. I may just get a swine flu shot.
Good info caglewis!

[TheMalteseFalcon]

I used to work in a school for students with disabilities. !

You worked in Portsmouth ?? ( J/K Portsmouth folks)

How about the pneumonia shot? Anybody get it??

[mstangmom]

Nope, but again my husband does no one else in the housd does though.

I guess what I don't get about the flu shot's is every year or two you have to get it again because the flu keeps evolving to different strains.

The shot is not killing it per se' like the vaccine did for polio or small pox. Somtimes I think Nature just has to run it's course, the flu being one of them. now if they come up with a vaccine that totally wipes out the flu then it may be something to enforce but until then if you want it get it if not then don't.

I for one will even skip it if it is mandatory due to how sick I got the one and only time I got the shot.

[F-4 Phantom]

I think I would take my chances with the vaccines vs the alternatives.

Medicines are far superior today than 50 years ago, even when "rushed" or hurried through. Besides, most of these type drugs are modeled after those already on the market. They are just tailored somewhat for today's strain...

[mstangmom]

F4, Taking chances with the flu vaccines is eveyones choice. I for one have never been as sick as I was after I had taken the flu shot. It was the first time I had ever been admitted to the hospital and the last other than childbirth that is.

Before we shipped out to dessert storm they gave a series of shots not sure what all was in them but I got really sick from them too, not as bad as the flu flu shot but I was pretty sick from them.