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COLUMBUS (AP) -- Opponents of Ohio's new collective bargaining law say they have collected hundreds of thousands more signatures than needed so voters can weigh in on repealing the measure this fall.

We Are Ohio said Friday it has collected more than 714,000 signatures, which still must be checked by the state's election chief to ensure enough are legitimate.

The group is making a final petition push in the coming weeks. It needs more than 231,000 valid signatures by June 30 to get the issue on the November ballot.

The signatures have to be from at least 44 of the 88 counties. The law signed by Gov. John Kasich in late March bans public employee strikes and restricts collective bargaining rights for more than 350,000 teachers, police officers, state employees and others.

Eagle82 wrote:So this is a public vs private sector bill?

KVDW wrote:

Eagle82 wrote:So this is a public vs private sector bill?

in a sense but it primarily restricts the public sector's (government workers) outlandish benefits that FAR exceed private sectors benefits. politicians hand out pay, healthcare, etc. benefits like candy to the public workers FOR THEIR VOTES.
the current rate of healthcare, retirement, and other benefits to them is unsustainable and this bill is intended to curtail some of that and therefore cut government spending of YOUR money.

http://www.betterohio.org/Facts?gclid=C ... KgodSnPUOQ

noreply66 wrote:Policemen,firefighter and teachers need more ---it is just that simple.

These are three people that need the health care that the so called congressmen get.

wildthingRV wrote:

KVDW wrote:

Eagle82 wrote:So this is a public vs private sector bill?

in a sense but it primarily restricts the public sector's (government workers) outlandish benefits that FAR exceed private sectors benefits. politicians hand out pay, healthcare, etc. benefits like candy to the public workers FOR THEIR VOTES.
the current rate of healthcare, retirement, and other benefits to them is unsustainable and this bill is intended to curtail some of that and therefore cut government spending of YOUR money.

http://www.betterohio.org/Facts?gclid=C ... KgodSnPUOQ

I'm a teacher, and nobody has EVER purchase my vote. Ever. Some things people say on here are frustrating, but that is pretty insulting.

I do get good healthcare, in my district, but that came at the cost of several raises over the years, so we make very little in comparison to other districts. When this bill goes into effect, it will mandate a certain percentage of our healthcare be out of pocket, but that won't replace the raises. This takes money out of my pocket. Not that I was making a ton to begin with. It would mandate certain other policies that my district hasn't seen fit to introduce. So, the idea that this is about local control is insane. Mandates on local districts do not equate to greater local control, they equate to less.

The idea that teachers, cops, and firefighters make too much and get too much in benefits is absolutely ridiculous. I'd be happy to share with the the details of my contract if you think I'm lying. I'll post language if you ask me. I bet you won't, because this bill is based on lies, and truth is the enemy of this governers agenda.

For fun, what should a cop make to risk his life? Or a firefighter? Guys and gals who may not make it home for saving your booty. You wanna come over and debate this? I'll bring my cop friends, my firefighter friends, and you can tell them what they are worth. PM me, and I'll send you my address.

People like you disgust me. You know NOTHING and pretend to know EVERYTHING. You wanna know about my life, and the life of my nearest and dearest who put their booty on the line for you, please, please, I'm begging you, man up and accept my invitation. This is not a threat or anything like that. I would like to introduce you to actual reality.

I would never purport to know a thing about where you work (I assume you work) and therefore wouldn't have the gall to pretend I do. Consider a similar approach.

Boonedawg wrote:Make your own jobs don't wait to suckle the public teat. Cops, Firemen and teachers make a good living and probably couldn't handle a production job. Kills me to see the whining by folks that really don't work all that hard when guys busting their arses get nothing but what they REALLY earn. I'd love to take the whole lot of them to work with me and watch them quit before the first day was over.

JChipwood wrote:I work in the public sector but have been persuing employment recently. What I have found is shocking. The production based company I am in the process of gaining employment which offers much much better healthcare and a much lower premium rate as well as co-pays and provides better coverage. Retirement is more than double for about the same cost. PDOs are comparable although not quite as good as public sector employment. But the pay is the biggest difference you see, the public sector sees very few COLA raises (none ever in my field) whereas the private sector jobs I have applied for are getting yearly or bi-yearly COLA raises with bonuses and guaranteed longevity increases. No speak of taking pay cuts in the private sector which is a complete 180 from the public. I want out of the public sector and am willing to give up 10 years of PERS service to do it. On top of that, I have worked with the boilermakers, insulators, and 2 family owned business and I work harder now than I did in any of those jobs all the while making less each year only to hear people say "yeh a paycut for them sounds great to me". Ridiculous! I am not lazy but if I can cut down my workload and make better money doing it and have better benefits than I want in the private sector but still think BS5 is wrong!

SB5 is simple, while standing in line to vote think one thought "Do I want to vote to cut another man's pay??" That is the bottom line. I have kids as do most people, look them in the eye and tell them I want your daddy to make less money. I'll tell you this much, you are a poor excuse for a human if that is your stance and a man only in words because no man would do that to a fellow man.

Combine that with the outline for the future it sets. Next it will be all jobs affected by the voting public. All unions threatened by voters who are primarily jealous because they are misinformed. Maybe all jobs will face a 15% paycut mandated by the government next November.

wildthingRV wrote:

KVDW wrote:

Eagle82 wrote:So this is a public vs private sector bill?

in a sense but it primarily restricts the public sector's (government workers) outlandish benefits that FAR exceed private sectors benefits. politicians hand out pay, healthcare, etc. benefits like candy to the public workers FOR THEIR VOTES.
the current rate of healthcare, retirement, and other benefits to them is unsustainable and this bill is intended to curtail some of that and therefore cut government spending of YOUR money.

http://www.betterohio.org/Facts?gclid=C ... KgodSnPUOQ

I'm a teacher, and nobody has EVER purchase my vote. Ever. Some things people say on here are frustrating, but that is pretty insulting.

NYBuckeye96 wrote: Great post! And consider that most public employees are now doing other peoples work as well --- many government offices have eliminated positions in the past decade. That workload isn't eliminated -- it is simply shifted over to someone else who must now complete that work AND their own original job duties.

If one worker is currently doing his/her work PLUS the work of another person that got laid off, it just tells me that NEITHER of them was doing a full days work to start with.

The motto used to be:
A FULL DAYS WORK FOR A FULL DAYS PAY.

What ever happened to that concept??

so tell me (very honestly), are you going to vote for Kasich next time around or his opponent that promises you pay and benefit increases?


I don't generally vote single issues, for one. For another, I haven't a clue WHO will run against the current governor, so I couldn't say. As for whether I'd vote for him, I'm leaning against it. I'll be honest. He ran on a jobs platform and his actions since taking office seem to be about setting fire to things, not building anything, so . . . I am unlikely to support him. But maybe the Dems run that dirtbag Strickland again, and then I don't know what I'll do.



CASE #2

i have a personal female friend that was working as a secretary in a private professional office at $7.00+ an hour with very little healthcare benefits which she mostly paid for herself.
She was fortunate enough to land a job as a secretary in a state government office and STARTED at $14.00+ an hour with MUCH better healthcare benefits at a lower cost to her. This was also about 10 years ago.

I, in no way meant to insult you but I DO know a little about the system you work in...