Out of Bounds wrote:My bad. I didn't know they were so thin skinned. As far as I'm concerned if they get paid to do a job, then evaluation comes with it. But I will refrain from using they're names in the future.
Have to agree with you Out of Bounds. Its a District game not a summer scrimmage!
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I just wanted to Congrat the Eagles on the win!. Also, Congratulations to the Indians you were great to watch again this year. Smithson, Shanks, Penwell, Leslie, Wolford, Hall, Massie, Hinty, Horniek good luck in the future!!!!!!!!!!
...As for next year they lose all them but still have Cooper, Flint, and Bakenhaster which got some varsity time this year!
Western loses: Shanks, Smithson, Penwell, Leslie, Hall, Wolford, Hinty, Massie, Horinek. Coming back the Indians will have Sean Flint who got to see some good floor time as the season progressed. 6'6" Kory Bakenhaster, who played very well in the sectional final game, and 6'4" Cody Cooper. All three of these players saw some varsity playing time throughout the season. Also returning from the varsity roster, will be Ryan Smithson who will be a senior next season. Migel Rosales and Dustin Gragg will be juniors next season. These last few players got a lot of PT on the JV team that finished the season witha very good record.
gh123 wrote:Wow...Where's all the Western Supporters that were on here bashing the Eagles about how Smithson and Shanks were going to dominate???? I saw jake lynch dominate the first half driving inside when they had a 6 inch height advantage! And the Eagles making free throws down the stretch!
I'm glad Eastern finally got to show a LITTLE of what they are made of. Hopefully Pierce isn't hurt too bad..they stepped up with his absence tonight.. Eagles didnt have the three ball falling again tonight..but ive said it a million times before..."Good teams with Good coaches find a way to win".
GO EAGLES!
Well its like this gh123, if any of the Western fans stayed to cheer on East in the second game (and there was quite a few) that puts them getting home to their computers around oh about MIDNIGHT. Western's not just right around the corner from Athens you know.
Tip my hat to all the Western fans that showed up and supported their team.Does your school participate in football? You have some nice sized kids.Would love to see number 31 line up at tightend or wide receiver,he would be a beast.VERY ATHLETIC!!!!! Best of luck in the future,except against the EAGLES.
I really doubt anyone in Latham was "embaressed" to admit how wrong they were. The boys got beat. Period. Not too many people like to dwell on that. I doubt the Eastern fans did last year... The Indian fans showed a lot of class when the Eagle player got hurt. They were the ones who gave him a standing "O" when helped to his feet. Why be so negative towards them?
The Indian supporters are still here. Maybe disappointed, but not gone. These kids have accomplished more than any other team in Western history. They've left their mark. We wish they could have gone farther, but it wasn't to be. They will be missed.
No, gobucks31, we don't have a football program. Thanks for the nice post. And the Indians wish your team good luck for the rest of the season.
60ft.6in. what I'm referring to is the fact that Shanks and Smithson who have played four years of varsity have won the Pike County Holiday Classic (which if I'm not mistaken is the only time Western has won it), they have won 3 Sectionals in a row (which if I'm not mistaken is the first time in school's history), they have won a district championship (which if I'm not mistaken has only been done 4 times in school history), they made it to the district finals again last year, they have produced "3" 1000 point scorers and 1 kid who lacked like 9 points from getting it (if you go back to the team that Shanks and Smithson played on as freshmen), in 7 years of being in the S.O.C. I they have won the league once and tied for first at least one year, they have produced Pike County's Boy's All Time leading scorer, they have this year's POY of the SOC I, they were 1.5 seconds away from making it to state...I could go on with individual accomplishments, but I think this is enough to show that (IMO) this team has accomplished more than any other team in history. They have been the team that led Latham out of the desert. They will be seriously missed. I think there are kids left who can accomplish decent records, but I fear we are heading back to the eighties and nineties kinds of seasons.
After all the talk of the "pride of latham" and most storied class of athletes to put on a western uniform makes me feel for the underclassman. I can honestly say that if it were not for Western being in the S.O.C. none of this would have been possible.
I understand that Vince and Bobbie were the last two players playing at Western that were a part of all the success, but you keep sayin "they", it wasnt "they". It was a combination of different players, starting with White and Mcleod. How are "they" (if you are meaning Bobbie and Vince) the ones who took Western out of the Desert, it wasn't them, it was White and Mcleod. But I do have a feeling that it is time to start rebuilding....Its definatley going to hurt losing them two....
60ft.6in. wrote:I understand that Vince and Bobbie were the last two players playing at Western that were a part of all the success, but you keep sayin "they", it wasnt "they". It was a combination of different players, starting with White and Mcleod. How are "they" (if you are meaning Bobbie and Vince) the ones who took Western out of the Desert, it wasn't them, it was White and Mcleod. But I do have a feeling that it is time to start rebuilding....Its definatley going to hurt losing them two....
60'6....Don't sell yourself short...You were also a key part of the turn around and success Western had those years, as was the exchange student(name?) and others.You guys knew your roles and played well together...I think that is a testament to Coach Howard..He done a great job with those clubs.
60ft6in., I get the feeling you think I am slamming you. I'm not. You did your job. But if you can say "it wasn't them, it was White and Mcleod" I guess I'm entitled to my opinion about Shanks and Smithson. Reread my last post about what all Vince and Bobbie had as team accomplishments and then you post for me what McCleod and White had to list as team accomplishments BEFORE Shanks and Smithson came along. Shanks and Smithson helped make White and McCleod be the players they were and I do think that McCleod and White were great. BUT I stand by my opinion.
No, I dont think you are doing that at all. I just think you are giving to much credit to them two, I just think that the credit you are giving them to belongs White and Mcleod.
Sure Shanks and Smithson are excellent players but it wasnt the two of them who got it all started. White and Mcleod got it all started, and the rest of us contributed and made sure our job got done. IF you are saying that Shanks and Smithson started it and the rest of us done our job (including White and Mcleod) then I do not agree with you...
It wasn't McCleod or White that got it all started either. At least not on their own. It was Phil Howard. Period. Love him or hate him you have to admit that he is, more than likely, the only reason they even managed to keep playing basketball for four years of high school. You were there. You know the story. I am saying that Michael and Jeremy played their first two years and never won anything. Other than individual attention. I am a firm believer that basketball is a team effort. If there hadn't been a Vince and Bobbie and you and others, do you honestly think Michael and Jeremy with three other average players would have taken a team to the Regional finals? I personally do not. I am not slighting Michael and Jeremy. Under Phil's guidance and devotion (LOL!) they did a great job. I doubt Western will see the likes of Michael White's ball handling skills anytime soon. I don't think I'm alone in saying that Vince and Bobbie have accomplished more. Mick Whitt announced it at the last home game so he must have had some kind of similar feeling. The AD didn't force him to issue a retraction or anything so maybe she agrees. They know that since this is the only team in Western history who has won three back to back to back Sectionals, they have, as I stated in an earlier post that got you aggravated, " accomplished more than any other team in Western history". I guess you and I will just have to disagree. I'll still be your friend...
When you say they have accomplished more than any other team, it doesnt sound right because vince and bobbie didnt do it all, or half of it in my opinion.....They could have done so much better if they would have mixed their talent with a little more "heart" and effort....
How does that aggrevate me? My high school basketball carrer was successful and one of the best times I've had in my life....I am actually happy that Vince and Bobbie made it Back to Back to Back sectional titles. But what does aggrevate me is how much credit you are giving them, those two didnt just throw the other three starters on their back and carry them to the Regionals. White and Mcleod did that. How can you take credit from them? Did you see the Harvest prep game? It was all White he carried us, and I dont remember Vicne or Bobbie stepping up and doing that.....Do you?
The only reason Vince and Bobbie accomplished more is because they came in their freshman year and and had other great players, when White and Mcleod were freshman....they had....exactly I cant remember the names....I'm not going to argue with you about this, I was there and seen it all....
I promise...my last post on the subject. If you can give White and McCleod all the credit, I guess I can give Smithson and Shanks a little can't I?? I think it's okay that I try to give them the credit I feel they deserve. If you (as their so-called friend...) can insult them with lines like "They could have done so much better if they would have mixed their talent with a little more "heart" and effort" I guess I can try to be a little more positive. Let me tell you a little something. You have no idea what level their "heart" and "effort" were at. How many games did you see them play this year? Two? I know Bobbie and Vince too and I know some things that have gone on in their lives and I think they are great people who don't slack on things. They have done alot of positive things off the court too. If you think that they're slackers then hey, you are entitled to your opinion. But remember: it's your OPINION. If the only reason they accomplished more was because they came in as Freshmen then why didn't it work with Michael and Jeremy? You flatter yourself if you think you were the "great" player who saved the team. Michael and Jeremy also had Robbie Ryan, Anthony Penwell, and Chad Williams(for at least a year and a half with Chad) and I personally believe they had as much talent as you. Weird that you don't remember their names...Wait! Weren't you still jumping back and forth between schools when they played? You know, I have never once slammed you kid. In fact, I've always included you as an important team member who did a great job for the team, but you have shown yourself to be a bit rude to your former teammates and I don't care for your tone. Stick to baseball conversations if all you can do is bite the hands that I FEEL helped to feed you. End of my comments. Have the last word. See ya when you're back on break...
Gesh, you must not be reading my post clearly. I do not flatter myself, everyone knows I wasn't the great player who saved the team, you are just tryin to make me look like and idiot, but considering I havent mentioned my name for any of the credit, you have no case. I am not insulting Vince and Bobbie, I just dont think they realize how great they could have been if they would have played harder, and I think I know that they didn't play like they could have or they wouldnt have lost in the districts, they could have been better than that and I even think they could STILL be playing if they mixed their talent with a different amount of effort...I did only see them play twice but I went to about 6 or 7 practices and seen how hard the players went....I did play with them 3 years and I know they could have been even better....I did hear that Bobbie worked his tail off coming into his senior year, that is great but why did he wait until he had one year left, can you imagine how good he would have been if he would have done this every year? I cant imagine what he would be able to do....
Im not biting your hands, I am just stating my opinion which was originally that White and Mcleod was the real reason for all the success, not Vince and Bobbie....I do admit that my last post was a little harsh, and I must say they deserve alot of credit but im still saying that white and mcleod deserve the majority of it...
I couldnt remember their names, I was going back and forth, you are right....But I bet that if they were great players I would have heard about them...I dont mind if you think they were better than me...I just know that I layed it on the line every time, and I know that in the regionals when I stuck tyler krime I thought I was going to have to be carried off the court....NOW....I think that if Vince and Bobbie could say that, then they would have been"UNNSTOPPABLE".....
To be honest I dont like your tone either, trying to make me look like I am wanting all the credit, I have nothing to do with it, I averaged 10 pts and got some rebounds, how could I possible be in the mix? I didnt play for credit, I just played to win...And no, I guess you haven't slammed me, but you are slamming mike and jeremy by taking their credit away, and I would say that most people would have to agree with me that the White Mcleod duo is better than the Shanks Smithson duo...Just my opinion...And that is not a slam to vince and bobbie....Just so you dont mix things up and think im bashing my friends....
I also want to say that I dont want Vince and Bobbie to think I am being disrespectful, it is just what I think....Which is they could have been...like I said before....Great...And if you think I am taking away from Vince and Bobbie, that isnt the case, I was on here in the fall defending Bobbie....I just think that you need to give credit where its due...and in my opinion the reason for all the success is because mike and jeremy...imo
