Manchester vs Clay in sectional tourney 02-23-10

[live4sport]

Wow. Some of these statements are bold. I think everyone who doesn't have a biased opinion believes that Clay would have lost by @ 20 even if it had been a championship game against SW. They have a better team and that's okay. Get em next season. You guys will be loaded. You should be turning your focus to very capable Manchester team that plays in a tougher league.

[jeep80]

Wow. Some of these statements are bold. I think everyone who doesn't have a biased opinion believes that Clay would have lost by @ 20 even if it had been a championship game against SW. They have a better team and that's okay. Get em next season. You guys will be loaded. You should be turning your focus to very capable Manchester team that plays in a tougher league.

Even though I've kept my toungue, I'm used to this from some of the Clay faithful. [ I emphisize the word some. Claypantherfan has always been fair as have a few others. ]
In 2006 - the year South Webster was clearly the best team in the state in Div IV - I had some "interesting" conversations with Clay fans on the Huddle about their claims that Clay was just as good as South Webster. Despite the fact South Webster beat them handily at Clay, they were claiming Clay would get the win when it mattered in the Districts. Unfortunately Whiteoak was in the way and beat them 63-33. South Webster beat Whiteoak 74-35, but they probably still think Clay was just as good as the Jeeps.
Now this year.
After the Jeeps first win this season the following quotes were made by Clay fans:

"Clay had 31 turnovers against South Webster saturday night that is almost 60 of there points right there. No disrespect to Webster but if Clay didn't have all them turnovers they could and should have won that ball game."

So is a team awarded 2 points automatically after a turnover?!? When did that start?
I quess the 72 - 50 score should have been Clay 50 South Webster 12. You are what you are. If you have turnover problems it's because you are sloppy with the ball! That's what defines bad teams. Sloppy play, fouls, bad shot selection. It's not the oppositions problem you can't pass.

"We aren't as strong as the teams we have played, except maybe S. Webster."

And now after this game:

"In my mind, i honestly think that Clay would win if these two teams met at the Convo."

"I have to agree with you 2 cents. the Clay boys could of cared less bout that game. they r focusing on the tourney. so if SW wants to call that a big win, so be it. It was just practice for Clay"

Looks like you need more practice.
O.K. I don't want to start any wars with Clay fans. I hope you guys beat Manchester handily. Clay is an SOC school and we all need to stick together out of conference. But I have no idea why Clay fans have had it out for South Webster since 2006. It's getting old. I have had no beef with Clay. They were always one of the best teams we played year after year when I was in school. And it was a great rivalry. Things are different now. We are in a different league, play different teams and there is no reason to see this kind of dissrespect from some Clay fans. Why is it so hard to give South Webster credit for thier wins over Clay instead of constantly excusing them away? You would think a fan would be more humble when thier team lost by a combined score of 60 points. Instead we see excuses and bravado.
And to think a Clay fan actually had the nerve to call a South Webster poster arrogant earlier in the thread.

[Out of Bounds]

In my mind, i honestly think that Clay would win if these two teams met at the Convo. No disrespect to the Jeeps Coaches, players, or families. But i think that the Clay boys have been pushed around long enough by the Jeeps, and i think there is an "upset" waiting to happen.

I'll take that bet! I've seen Clay a couple of times and Webster once. I have no dog in that fight, but SW is clearly the better team. The pressure of Webster will be the weakness of Clay.

[my2cents]

Clay and SW has been a big rivalry game for a while, at least to Clay fans. Some of that spills over from Soccer. The Thouroghman/ Aldridge years were the start of it to my memory, but it may go back further than that. Two years ago, Clay only won two games, one of those against SW. You would have thought they won the state championship, so that is fun when a meaningless game actually means something to the players.
As for the comments after the first game, you have to consider the fact that the posters know that the kids read these threads so they are trying to be positive. 31 TO's is a lot, and while it doesn't equal 60 points, you could say if you are shooting 50% from the field, there is a potentially 30 points lost.
The reason I thought Clay would do better in game 2 this year is the fact that they have gone away from strict man to man and played some zone defense, but when SW was hitting three like they were Saturday night, there's not a lot you can do to stop them. 11-21 from the three is a great night shooting. Clay went to a man to man for bit, but that only made it worse.
SW is the better team this year, they're faster and more physical than Clay, but with starter in for both team a 15 point difference is probably about right, unless one team is really flat on one is on fire ,but not 30+ or "whatever they want".
Good luck to both teams in the tourney. Clay needs to worry about Manchester first and SW will coast into the convo.

[Eaglesnest]

Thought this was the Clay vs. Manchester thread...lol

[jeepmadness]

Would like to see clay win this game, but from what I saw the other night against Webster, I just don't know. From what I have read on here about Manchester, they can show up and play really good, or show up and play real flat. Sounds a lot like clay. Hopefully both teams will bring their games with them and make it a good one.

[GreenDevils#1]

I have Manchesters roster and everything and I was wondering if anyone could give me Clays. Thanks for the help.

[-varsity-]

This game should be a tough battle. Im taking Clay in a close one.

[dimedrop4]

Thought this was the Clay vs. Manchester thread...lol

That's what I was thinking.

Long story short. If Clay was the better team, they would have beaten South Webster this year. South Webster plays a much stronger schedule full of D3 and D2 schools, and it benefits them when they play other D4 schools. Don't give excuses. If you're going to schedule someone twice in the same season, you better at least beat them once to have an argument on who's the better team...

Good Luck to Clay in their tourney run...

[rosemount rebel]

first of all south webster is by far a better b-ball team than clay. the score shows it dont care about the what if and the should of could of the game says it all. so good luck jeeps we are soc. the panthers need to man up quit crying and play ball like high school boy. they dont play good defense at times they are lazy. most of the time they get pushed around so bad they want to fight or quit playing hard. but they can be a very good team they have the talent but it is HEART YOU PLAY WITH NOT TALENT . SO GOOD LUCK AND PLAY HARD AND WIN THIS GAME FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR TEAMMATES.

[pan-man]

Clay Roster
Seniors
Gabe Duduit, Cameron Caseman, Chaz Lawson(starter) Good for rebounds, points in the paint

Juniors
Cody Bussler(starter)can drive the lane and shoot from anywhere, Cody Delotell(starter) has a very good shot,can drive the lane very strongly, Josh Porter, Max Graham, Nathan Burchett(starter) very physical, good jumpshot, Jon Valentine(starter) I believe that this kid is the gamebreaker, very good ball controle, shot is deadly, drives the land hard and fast, ad a solid passer when on the move

[pan-man]

rebel has a point, when he says play with heart not talent, That is Clays weakness. If they play more for the love of the game and as a team instead of playin as a single person. This team could go very far. Now if you can't agree with that, then your hard headed.

[GreenDevils#1]

Are they a big team cause I know Manchester usually struggles against teams that as big as them, I mean I looked at the school website, but all they have is there picture they don't have there names to go with there numbers or anything.

[claypantherfan]

Are they a big team cause I know Manchester usually struggles against teams that as big as them, I mean I looked at the school website, but all they have is there picture they don't have there names to go with there numbers or anything.

They have #41 6'7 , #5 6'6 , #35 6'4

[halftime]

the rest of the players r about 6'2 range

[svbt1112]

The fact that Manchester lost the other night to Fayetteville is perplexing. However I don't think that Clay has beaten anyone outside of the SOC 1 this year....

Manchester 76
Clay 54

[claypantherfan]

I think it will be a dog fight all the way through if both teams come out and play like they can but I hope and think Clay will win by 2-5 or so

[TribeManiac10]

I think it will be a dog fight all the way through if both teams come out and play like they can but I hope and think Clay will win by 2-5 or so

Green impressed me tonight in their game against Peebles. If Clay beat this team twice then I may have to lower my original estimate. I dont like the height matchups for Manchester. Blevins is able to dominate smaller teams but if he gets challenged by 2 or 3 players around his size it could spell disaster for the greyhounds. I will however still take a fellow SHL team to win the game. Manchester by 5.

[pan-man]

Well, after that comment I'm gonna say this. TribeManiac10, you might want to reconsider that pick of Manchester by 5. Clay has 3 guys from 6-4 to 6-7. The thing is Clay sometimes will play 2 of them, so if Blevins has trouble with just one of them on the court, i wouldn't be suprised to see him struggle a lot in this game. I'm gonna roll with the Panthers to win this one by possible double digets.

[amazinghocks]

Got to go with Clay here.