SEOAL future?

[noreply66]

team championship percentage

Chillicothe----------.00
Gallipolis------------.16
Jackson------------.24
Logan--------------.29
Marietta------------.11
Portsmouth---------.01
Warren-------------.4

[Rvbballdude]

Let's get back on topic here!
Before" Jottings" gets involved! LOL (:
FUTURE OF THE LEAGUE and it's teams?

[javagt]

“The future ain't what it used to be.” Yogi Berra

[footballfanatic1]

and sometimes the past isn't what it was.....thanks to my memory or lack of....lol

[footballfanatic1]

TRUE...MAN I AM GETTING OLD

[Rvbballdude]

The past is actually better than you might think. Most of the schools who are now struggling with enrollment issues (see Chillicothe, GAHS, Portsmouth, Ironton, etc) were at one time as big or in some cases MUCH bigger than even Logan is NOW.

That is interesting ?
Because I thought Logan had actually just out grown the other schools with their location so close to Columbus?
it would be interesting to see enrollment numbers from say 1970,1980,1990,2000,2010 of each school.
Just to compare who has grown and who has lost enrollment.

[heyblu44]

The rumblings about Logan to MVL - my thought: The move to the MVL for Logan would put them in the same situation as they have right now. The only Division 1 in a league with majority Division 3 and 4 Schools. Right now for the sport of Basketball in the SEOAL : Logan (D1); Chillicothe, Gallia, Jackson, Marietta and Warren are D2 and Portsmouth D3. So the SEOAL is a better fit for Logan.

Also, at one time there were three teams that are presently in the SEOAL were D1 in Basketball (Logan, Chillicothe and Marietta), until the last six or so years. That was a great D1 sectional/district because the OHSAA combined the SE with the East (Zanesville, Dover and New Phila). Now of those six team only Logan is still D1 and the rest are D2. That says alot about what schools are falling in enrollment figures.

[91blue14]

i dont think logan is d1 anymore

[noreply66]

i dont think logan is d1 anymore

haven't been for about 3 years

[javagt]

I thought it was the MSL (Mid State League) Logan was entertaining?

Also, I thought Logan was D II in Football and D I in basketball ...

[Raiderball]

1990 Campaign

Final Standings

Team W L P OP

Athens……… 3 2 137 97

Jackson…….. 3 2 119 86

Gallipolis…… 3 2 69 68

Marietta…….. 3 2 89 85

Logan………. 2 3 55 67

Warren Local 1 4 47 113

Totals 15 15 516 516

Season Record

There's that 4 way tie I was talking about. Think this is the only time I've ever seen a "Quad" Championship.

[Raiderball]

The poster was talking about Logan and others being DI basketball. They still are.

Mid 80's, before the move to 4 divisions in basketball GA and Jackson were both AAA along with Athens, Logan, Marietta and Miami Trace. Probably Chilli also. Portsmouth? When Warren joined the SEOAL their boys enrollment numbers were about the same as GA and Jackson... I think 350-380 boys if I remember right.

When RV joined the SEOAL in early 90's I seem to remember Logan had the largest enrollment (over 500 boys) with Marietta not far behind. Athens was next. Then Jackson and GA with Warren and RV being just a little smaller.

GA has dropped below 300 and I think has been down around 240-250 boys. Portsmouth boys enrollment down around 200 now. Not sure about others I mentioned above. Not going to take the time to look it up either. I believe Jackson has been DII in football as late as the early 2000's.

[Rvbballdude]

I thought it was the MSL (Mid State League) Logan was entertaining?

Also, I thought Logan was D II in Football and D I in basketball ...

I apologize for saying the MVL,there are so many names of Leagues,it is the MSL (Mid State League) they cover Metro area of Columbus and South East Central Ohio. It is a logical choice with the travel being cut in half.

[The Exile]

Just some info for those who may not know the MSL situation. If any SEOAL teams were to go to the MSL, it would either be to the Buckeye Division or to a new (fourth) division.

The MSL Buckeye currently contains Amanda-Clearcreek, Logan Elm, Circleville, Teays Valley, Fairfield Union, Bloom-Carroll, Hamilton Twp., and Canal Winchester, and has existed for 20 years in this configuration. Three of the schools (LE, CV, FU) are Southeast District teams, and my alma mater (A-C) petitioned OHSAA to move to the SE district last year and I assume will continue to do so until they are moved. The rest are Central District teams.

While the travel (and competition in many sports) is very nice in this league, there have been rumblings for years about the growing disparity in school sizes. While the schools close to Columbus like Canal Winchester, Teays Valley, and to a lesser extent Hamilton Township have grown dramatically in the past 20 years, the more southeasterly schools have remained fairly stable or grown modestly (Bloom-Carroll, Amanda-Clearcreek, Fairfield Union, etc.). Schools range in size from Div. 1 to Div. 3 in most sports, and from Div. 2 to Div. 4 in football. The smaller schools often have trouble competing in many sports, though they are good at some (i.e.: AC and football, BC and basketball).

Rumors have floated from time to time about the large schools either defecting to the OCC (esp. Canal Winchester), or the schools being reorganized to even out the enrollment in the division, which would require adding new schools and splitting into two divisions. Logan (and I assume Chillicothe) would be among the top schools who would ideally fit into some new league arrangement, and I have heard/read other possibilities to bring in a number of big/medium sized schools as well. There are also persistent rumors that Teays Valley will split into two high schools, though most in that district seem resistant to the idea.

Logan would have very reasonable travel (both distance and road quality) to several of the MSL-B schools (esp. A-C, Canal, B-C), and Chillicothe would have the same (A-C, Circleville, LE, Teays Valley). I'm not sure if the competition would be "better" overall in the MSL (probably in some sports), but it would I think be at least equivalent in most sports. The rub if this were to happen would be to try and match school size with geography, which would be tough (For example, would Logan want to drive to Teays Valley for size reasons, bypassing closer schools like A-C and B-C due to their size?)

The advantages would include travel (though that would depend on which teams were slotted where) and media coverage (part of a league with teams in the Dispatch coverage area=you get coverage too).

The big disadvantage would be that many traditional rivalries (for Logan or Chillicothe) would probably diminish/die. Also, depending on the league setup, the travel might not be much better than in the SEOAL.

I honestly have no idea how real these speculations are, or if/when they will happen. But this is my general take on the situation.

[The Exile]

Oh, just to add for those not familiar, there are two other divisions in the MSL, but neither would be feasible for any SEOAL school to join. The Cardinal Division comprises small schools (a DV-DVI league in football), and the Ohio Division has Licking County and eastern Franklin county schools, so too far away.

[Orange and Brown]

Oh, just to add for those not familiar, there are two other divisions in the MSL, but neither would be feasible for any SEOAL school to join. The Cardinal Division comprises small schools (a DV-DVI league in football), and the Ohio Division has Licking County and eastern Franklin county schools, so too far away.

The MSL is looking hard at realighnment so look for more than 2 or 3 teams to get invites. Some current schools have gotten bigger and some have gotten smaller over the years.

[The Exile]

I believe you are right gahs4ever. There has been talk for at least 10 years of changes in the Buckeye div., but those schools have always been reticent to change the setup. The other two divisions have shown more willingness to change teams in the past.

Also, Orange, you are correct. The realignment might incorporate some of the larger Cardinal Div. teams moving to a new division (probably to join smaller Buckeye schools like A-C, B-C, and FU), adding other small schools (teams proposed in the past don't seem realistic travel-wise) to the Cardinal, and adding big schools to the Buckeye. They have shown in the past that they will not, however, disrupt the current structure without several schools complaining about the competition level in their division.

As for the OCC, I would never say never, but it took the OCC a LONG time to agree to add Lancaster, which is both a (mostly) city-based school like the rest of the OCC and 1/2 hour closer to Columbus than Logan even with the bypass. Logan would fit only if they could go to the division that Lancaster is in, which is all eastern/southeastern metro schools. The other divisions would balk at the travel I would think. Plus, they have to have an opening (and any new high schools built in current member districts automatically are added, so they usually take up any openings).

And most I know who follow the OCC were overjoyed when Chillicothe left, as they were the furthest outlier in their division of the conference. I doubt Chillicothe would want to go back to the OCC (or that the OCC would want them frankly), but I agree a Rt. 23 corridor league would potentially be workable and would make sense. That would require several teams to leave their current leagues to create it, but as gahs says, radical new realignments across the greater region may be in the works eventually, especially if schools (A-C is one right now) continue to struggle financially.

[datchillicav]

The past is actually better than you might think. Most of the schools who are now struggling with enrollment issues (see Chillicothe, GAHS, Portsmouth, Ironton, etc) were at one time as big or in some cases MUCH bigger than even Logan is NOW.

That is interesting ?
Because I thought Logan had actually just out grown the other schools with their location so close to Columbus?
it would be interesting to see enrollment numbers from say 1970,1980,1990,2000,2010 of each school.
Just to compare who has grown and who has lost enrollment.

I cant speak for other schools and dont haev any steadfast numbers but i do know that Chilli is WAY smaller than it used to be. When I graduated from CHS about 5 years ago my graduating class was 215 ish. My mother graduated in the early 80's from CHS and she said that her class was "about 400 or so" . I know that Portsmouth used to be about the same size and they are even smaller now. The same is happenning to a lot of the "city" schools in SEO because businesses are buying up the land inside the city and the new houses are going up outside the city. At least that is what has happenned in Chillicothe. Hence the reason for the growth of all the county schools at the same time as the shrinking of Chilli.

[Rvbballdude]

I think Portsmouth would fit well in the OVC!

[NYBuckeye96]

Some of the Mid State League schools are growing fast. I think the MSL wants to create a "big school" division that could include Logan. Some of those MSL schools have really grown fast the past 10-20 years. Compare Canal Winchester's numbers to where they were 20 years ago. There is a school that went from being about the size of Nelsonville-York to the size of Logan in less than 20 years.