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[SOCFAN1430]

Actually guys the Shanks kid is very close to averageing a triple double. He's like 2 reb and 2 asst. a game from it.

I'm surprised he's not at 10 or more rebounds, the few times I've seen him play he's been the best rebounder on the team at any position.

[Golfer101]

To average double digit points, rebounds and assists is hard to believe. I don't believe it. Not saying he is not a good player. Just don't believe he is close to a triple double. Especial in assists . He never had a triple double against SV.

[Lightle04]

I wasn't there so I don't know but he has 2 triple doubles this season I know of.

[WIFAN-22]

To average double digit points, rebounds and assists is hard to believe. I don't believe it. Not saying he is not a good player. Just don't believe he is close to a triple double. Especial in assists . He never had a triple double against SV.

The most recent game versus Symmes in which Western won. Shanks had 15 pts, 11 assists, and 8 rebounds. And 3 steals if you want to get technical.

[Golfer101]

240 assists will get your name in the state record book if you average 10 per game that is 220 plus a couple tournament games and you are there.

[Crab's Brother]

EXCUSE ME CRABBY PATTY! It was meant to read 11. So sorry for the unforgivable error!!!!!!!!!

Haha....

Listen, I just wanted to show that 17 was a bit out there.

As far as the triple double talk, I have already been jumped for pointing out things in this thread, but I will say this...

I have kept stats for Valley for the past 2 seasons. This year we are 16-5 and average 66.05 points per game. We have a very good team that moves the ball extremely well. We have had 2 kids that have accumulated 8 assists in a game this season. We have had 1 kid get double figures in assists once in the 44 games I have done. That said, Western is 4-15 and averaging 49.58 points per game. If Shanks is averaging 10+ points and around 10 assists, that means he is responsible for at a minimum of 30 points per game. That is if none of his assists are on 3 pointers. So, this leaves less than 20 points per game from offensive rebounds and teammates free throws. Possible, yes...Probable, No.

I am in no way taking anything away from the young man, but I would be willing to bet that a review of the films would show a different stat line.

The greatest all around player of our generation, Lebron James, had a senior year stat line of 31.6 pts. 9.6 reb. and 4.6 assists per game. And that was for a team that put up over 80 per game.

[ManitouDan]

indianfan supports his team in great fashion... he just wears the Western green goggles in evaluating things sometimes .. and there really isnt anything wrong with that .

[WIFAN-22]

First of all Western is 5-16! Secondly, I have no reason to lie about the situation. He's not my kid, and was only letting those of you who simply look at be record, and think that something like this isn't possible. I spoke to Larry, and Mike Jordan this evening to confirm that I wasn't crazy, and was told that the numbers that I quoted earlier were correct. No one pays attention to the stats of teams that aren't doing well. I was simply letting folks know that little old Western had a young man that was indeed deserving of the First Team. I will no longer defend my original post, it's true.

[WIFAN-22]

Oh, and since Crab is at Valley I hope you get the opportunity to watch the young man versus Clay next week.

[Hopper 11]

It would be hard to average double digits in assists. Unlike scoring and rebounding that you can control on your own an assist has to be finished by a teammate. I have seen several great passes over the years not get finished by the person on the receiving end. I think it would be extremely hard to have close to double digits in assists. I would think someone like a Carter from Ironton that had a Fletcher to finish would have the best chance in coming close to the feat.

[TribeManiac10]

It would be hard to average double digits in assists. Unlike scoring and rebounding that you can control on your own an assist has to be finished by a teammate. I have seen several great passes over the years not get finished by the person on the receiving end. I think it would be extremely hard to have close to double digits in assists. I would think someone like a Carter from Ironton that had a Fletcher to finish would have the best chance in coming close to the feat.

Trent Arey from Peebles averaged 8.2 assists per game his sophomore season(had 17 in one game), granted he was passing to 3 future college players(one of which is second all time in state history for made 3 pointers). That is about the closest i've ever heard of someone getting in the southeast. It takes a dream situation to get close but it is possible.

[Crab's Brother]

It would be hard to average double digits in assists. Unlike scoring and rebounding that you can control on your own an assist has to be finished by a teammate. I have seen several great passes over the years not get finished by the person on the receiving end. I think it would be extremely hard to have close to double digits in assists. I would think someone like a Carter from Ironton that had a Fletcher to finish would have the best chance in coming close to the feat.

Trent Arey from Peebles averaged 8.2 assists per game his sophomore season(had 17 in one game), granted he was passing to 3 future college players(one of which is second all time in state history for made 3 pointers). That is about the closest i've ever heard of someone getting in the southeast. It takes a dream situation to get close but it is possible.

According to Maxpreps, that Peebles team averaged 77 points a game. That makes it easier to get to 8.2 assists than a team averaging less than 50.

[NewEra]

How in the world are you 6'10 and in the SOC I and not make first team?

[thecinderellapick]

I've seen the Shanks kid play, and he's extremely unselfish. Sometimes TOO unselfish IMO. I've no doubt about him averaging double digit assists. No, he can't control the final outcome, but just like shooting percentages... The more you shoot, the more your bound to make. Same with assists, ANY stat really. The harder you play, the better your stats, no matter the final score.

[Golfer101]

I've seen the Shanks kid play, and he's extremely unselfish. Sometimes TOO unselfish IMO. I've no doubt about him averaging double digit assists. No, he can't control the final outcome, but just like shooting percentages... The more you shoot, the more your bound to make. Same with assists, ANY stat really. The harder you play, the better your stats, no matter the final score.

I'm sure he is a fine player but looking at some of Western's scores there is no way he is close to averaging double figures in assists. When you score 24, 25, 29, 35 in a game you are not going to have double figure in assists. The final score does matter if you score 24 total points in an entire ball game it would be almost impossible to have double figures in assists. It is not that hard to understand. Anyone who has every watched basketball is not going to believe it.

[thecinderellapick]

Have you seen the kid play? All im sayin is that hes probably one of the most unselfish players in the SOC, and I have seen alot of games/ players this season. No, Western doesn't have a winning record, but look at what you said..."almost impossible".
"So yer sayin I got a chance!"

[Lightle04]

Look the bottom line to this conversation is if Western gets a first team player the one that should get it is Nick Shanks . But the coach controls that. Nick is the heart of the team a 6'1 sophomore averageing a double double . That to me is very impressive they are a team that is struggleing to find an identity and he has done any and everything in his power to overcome the issues the team has faced this year to give them a chance to win. If he doesn't get 1st team the next 2 years him and the Thacker kid from Eastern and Rowe from Symmes are the favorites for POY !!

[Golfer101]

I have not watched him play. I am not saying anything about his playing ability. I am saying it is not mathematically possible to have a triple double in games where you score 24,25,29 points total.

[Lightle04]

You are right about that .

[ManitouDan]

I have not watched him play. I am not saying anything about his playing ability. I am saying it is not mathematically possible to have a triple double in games where you score 24,25,29 points total.

SURE THERE IS >>>> when a HS kid with no experience keeps stats or even better a family member .... happens EVERY NIGHT ... !