D4 Scores and Updates 2022

[Ironman92]

Webster lost to the #2 seed at home by 6… tied up with 1:20 to play and then beat the #2 seed on their court… and the coaches really said nah you’re 7th.

That's what happens with super sectionals, teams are too spread out and coaches don't sit down and dissect schedules, scores, etc ...

Nope this has been going on long before the super sectionals and South Webster fans know it best. It happened nearly every year at Valley and now it’s a little harder to accomplish. I took 30 seconds and made a seed list that would’ve put the much tougher road on Trimble….30 more seconds and I could’ve came up with the one to screw the next two best teams.

The SE district needs to do it like every other district in Ohio.

South Webster as the #7 is 100% asinine….and to get the #7 math tells me that some coaches even had them placed lower than that. The voting breakdown would be most interesting.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

I guess it’s part of playing in a strong conference and not some charmin soft league like SOC1 or the Trimble -Hocking league or whatever conference they’re in

[Ironman92]

I guess it’s part of playing in a strong conference and not some charmin soft league like SOC1 or the Trimble -Hocking league or whatever conference they’re in

The SOC 1 always put it to you guys and the SHAC….you know this. Our district set up allows for this to happen.

[bbjunky81]

After reviewing the brackets in depth here's some thoughts..

Teams that are very happy with their draw:
- Trimble
- Western (avoid South Webster, Fairfield, Valley... looking at Whiteoak or Fed Hock in district semis.. both very winnable)
- Green... could potentially upset Symmes Valley in district final. If you're going to get a higher # seed you'd much rather see #3 Symmes rather than #2 Valley.
- Fairfield... Even though they're the #6 they have a good side of the bracket. Paint Valley in sectional final who is somewhat dangerous but Fairfield is undeniably better. Symmes or Green in District semi.... as the #6 you take that all day


Teams who aren't thrilled with their bracket:
- Waterford.. drew Notre Dame right out of the gates and winner faces Trimble.
- Federal Hocking... Sure, they got the 5... but a healthy Whiteoak at #12 is a very, very dangerous sectional final. I actually think Whiteoak will win that game.
- South Webster... A dangerous Peebles team early followed by Valley in the district semis.. Brutal.. Can't imagine Valley being thrilled about that either.



Long story short anyone who got on Symmes side of the bracket is celebrating since they avoid Trimble/Valley/Western/Webster until the district final.... That's huge.

[transplant]

Good points. ND is playing better right now, they could play spoiler to someone.

[Ironman92]

After reviewing the brackets in depth here's some thoughts..

Teams that are very happy with their draw:
- Trimble
- Western (avoid South Webster, Fairfield, Valley... looking at Whiteoak or Fed Hock in district semis.. both very winnable)
- Green... could potentially upset Symmes Valley in district final. If you're going to get a higher # seed you'd much rather see #3 Symmes rather than #2 Valley.
- Fairfield... Even though they're the #6 they have a good side of the bracket. Paint Valley in sectional final who is somewhat dangerous but Fairfield is undeniably better. Symmes or Green in District semi.... as the #6 you take that all day


Teams who aren't thrilled with their bracket:
- Waterford.. drew Notre Dame right out of the gates and winner faces Trimble.
- Federal Hocking... Sure, they got the 5... but a healthy Whiteoak at #12 is a very, very dangerous sectional final. I actually think Whiteoak will win that game.
- South Webster... A dangerous Peebles team early followed by Valley in the district semis.. Brutal.. Can't imagine Valley being thrilled about that either.



Long story short anyone who got on Symmes side of the bracket is celebrating since they avoid Trimble/Valley/Western/Webster until the district final.... That's huge.

Fairfield I doubt because Valley beat the bejeezus out of them and FF might prefer the ultimate date with Trimble

[Ironman92]

After reviewing the brackets in depth here's some thoughts..

Teams that are very happy with their draw:
- Trimble
- Western (avoid South Webster, Fairfield, Valley... looking at Whiteoak or Fed Hock in district semis.. both very winnable)
- Green... could potentially upset Symmes Valley in district final. If you're going to get a higher # seed you'd much rather see #3 Symmes rather than #2 Valley.
- Fairfield... Even though they're the #6 they have a good side of the bracket. Paint Valley in sectional final who is somewhat dangerous but Fairfield is undeniably better. Symmes or Green in District semi.... as the #6 you take that all day


Teams who aren't thrilled with their bracket:
- Waterford.. drew Notre Dame right out of the gates and winner faces Trimble.
- Federal Hocking... Sure, they got the 5... but a healthy Whiteoak at #12 is a very, very dangerous sectional final. I actually think Whiteoak will win that game.
- South Webster... A dangerous Peebles team early followed by Valley in the district semis.. Brutal.. Can't imagine Valley being thrilled about that either.



Long story short anyone who got on Symmes side of the bracket is celebrating since they avoid Trimble/Valley/Western/Webster until the district final.... That's huge.

I mean each coach has access to the voting breakdown? They can easily look at everyone’s and read everything that went into it.

[art_vandelay]

I guess it’s part of playing in a strong conference and not some charmin soft league like SOC1 or the Trimble -Hocking league or whatever conference they’re in

The SOC 1 always put it to you guys and the SHAC….you know this. Our district set up allows for this to happen.

Yep...watched it for years in the D4 Valley Sectional where SOC I schools teamed up to stick it to Webster and the SHAC schools. Super sectional just the same old crap, but in a different package.

Super sectional was definitely a step in right direction though. Final change that needs made is having teams place themselves anywhere on the bracket with choice of bracket placement being made based on order of teams' seed. Seeding order could still be manipulated, but it would be impossible to dictate matchups like the Valley/Webster matchup everybody knew was going to happen this year.*

[torroeldorado]

I think some people are overlooking a pretty good SV team. I know they've beaten a couple of OVC schools this year and also a SOC2 school. Their only losses were a last second 3 pointer again ND at SV and they turned that around beating ND by around 15 at ND. The other loss was an ugly one in Ironton against LV when LV shot the lights out. It's actually the only SV game I've seen this year, but you could tell that they were very athletic even in that ugly loss. I don't know that they beat either LV or Trimble, but they easily beat Green and get by their 2nd game as well. Then who knows, maybe they pull an upset. All credit is going to Western on here, but SV beat them at SV earlier. From looking at scores it looks like they are playing pretty well right now.

[bbjunky81]

I guess it’s part of playing in a strong conference and not some charmin soft league like SOC1 or the Trimble -Hocking league or whatever conference they’re in

The SOC 1 always put it to you guys and the SHAC….you know this. Our district set up allows for this to happen.

Yep...watched it for years in the D4 Valley Sectional where SOC I schools teamed up to stick it to Webster and the SHAC schools. Super sectional just the same old crap, but in a different package.

Super sectional was definitely a step in right direction though. Final change that needs made is having teams place themselves anywhere on the bracket with choice of bracket placement being made based on order of teams' seed. Seeding order could still be manipulated, but it would be impossible to dictate matchups like the Valley/Webster matchup everybody knew was going to happen this year.*

I am in total agreement here. SEO administrators got it right by finally having a super sectional.... now the only thing that's missing is placing yourself on the bracket based off where you were seeded. Nearly all other districts do this and it does seem to even itself out if you get screwed on a seed.

[Bball4L]

Only reason I would see one to complain about seeding is if you was worried your team was going to loose somewhere along the line

[Ironman92]

Only reason I would see one to complain about seeding is if you was worried your team was going to loose somewhere along the line

The seedings should be fair to ensure THE best teams make it out to represent the SE district.

I am not a fan of South Webster or Valley or Fairfield but their seedings or paths aren’t what they should be.

Every team but 1 will loose anyways….whatever that means

[The Ghost of Swanker]

I mean I see it both ways. Winners advance, but still the #1
Seed gets the benefits of being #1 and having one of the SOC2 teams eliminate the other. When we all know Webster is better than their record 11-6. We’ll probably finish with 15 wins

[transplant]

Agreed, I don't like the SOC2 on SOC2 crime. Wil be a good game, just wish it was further down the road.

[Leviticus]

I think some people are overlooking a pretty good SV team. I know they've beaten a couple of OVC schools this year and also a SOC2 school. Their only losses were a last second 3 pointer again ND at SV and they turned that around beating ND by around 15 at ND. The other loss was an ugly one in Ironton against LV when LV shot the lights out. It's actually the only SV game I've seen this year, but you could tell that they were very athletic even in that ugly loss. I don't know that they beat either LV or Trimble, but they easily beat Green and get by their 2nd game as well. Then who knows, maybe they pull an upset. All credit is going to Western on here, but SV beat them at SV earlier. From looking at scores it looks like they are playing pretty well right now.

I agree SV is a good team, they play well together. I can see them winning a couple games. But to clear things up they beat ND at ND 64-58 on January 11th. That’s 6 points not around 15!

[Fan of the youth]

I guess it’s part of playing in a strong conference and not some charmin soft league like SOC1 or the Trimble -Hocking league or whatever conference they’re in

The SOC 1 always put it to you guys and the SHAC….you know this. Our district set up allows for this to happen.

If the SOC I coaches are behind the voting to get the SOC II match up so early in this year's tournament do you think the SOC I wants Valley and SW join the SOC I? Would that correct the issue of coaches not really knowing the talent of the teams?

[Ironman92]

I guess it’s part of playing in a strong conference and not some charmin soft league like SOC1 or the Trimble -Hocking league or whatever conference they’re in

The SOC 1 always put it to you guys and the SHAC….you know this. Our district set up allows for this to happen.

If the SOC I coaches are behind the voting to get the SOC II match up so early in this year's tournament do you think the SOC I wants Valley and SW join the SOC I? Would that correct the issue of coaches not really knowing the talent of the teams?

No they don’t want them in the SOC 1 and I can’t fathom an actual varsity basketball coach not knowing how good many of the teams around them are. I just don’t buy it.

[transplant]

I hope valley never moves down to SOC1

[transplant]

Is there a district committee that is in place to regulate tournament seeding? Or computer points or something to avoid this stuff?

[Ironman92]

Is there a district committee that is in place to regulate tournament seeding? Or computer points or something to avoid this stuff?

Too many coaches don’t want it for whatever reason.