Pfloyd's Elite 8 of Southern/SouthEast Ohio - Week #3

[pfloyd]

I don’t envy you for doing this with some of the scores that come in each night

If I watched a team score less than a point a minute, I’d have a hard time not plummeting them down the rankings. So, credit to you for doing it more mindfully.

Some quick Tuesday thoughts:
Minford absolutely pounding a decent Symmes Valley team was impressive tonight, so was Eastern Brown’s margin of victory. A nice win for Eastern Pike, I think West is good too. Fairfield holds serve at Peebles with another solid 4th quarter performance. Belpre stays perfect, South Webster with a strange score but the win is all that matters.

Lastly, I know they are rivals, but I’m shocked by that Sheridan win over New Lexington.

Some interesting scores last night for sure ... Eastern Brown handing it to Lynchburg Clay .. the Mustangs were without a key piece last night - missing Denver Clinton (6-3) size ... when you go vs EB "size does matter" at both ends ... Jackson winning by 1 over McClain - the Ironmen had a 16 point lead at the half that was whittled away mostly in the 3rd quarter ... Stephen Jenkins- starting swing forward/ 6-2 "big" for Jackson was not present due to illness - not an excuse but when you take out 13-14 ppg from an offense that struggles to put up points - it matters ... Minford is looking like the top team in SEOhio - a complete team : the Big 3 - Montgomery/Kayser/Shoemaker ... ballhanders - Montgomery/Reeder (more than one)/ scoring inside & outside/ Glockner has started taking shots on goal ! - to me this IS HUGE! - he knocked down a 3 ball and 2 pt fg last night - teams will have to guard him! - his confidence on the court will grow - he just became a threat and made TEAM better/ depth - Glenn/Donahoe/Cordle/Borland/Napier ... depth with 6-2 to 6-4 size AND they can rebound/score AND play D ... Belpre - undefeated is always a good start to the season no matter who you've played 4-0 so far vs teams that are a combined 6-19 (Eastern Rdsville has 5 of those W's) ... the tale of the tape will come NOW - as the Golden Eagles play Meigs, Caldwell, Athens, Marietta and Warren in that order .. combined 20-4 with Athens having 3 of those losses ... New Lex losing to Sheridan ... New Lex when I saw them vs Chillicothe didn't look as good as last year, even individual players didn't look as good - Stephens the elder wasn't in basketball shape from football ... the 3 point shot wasn't there /yet ...Jerek Braglin 6-2 graduated off of the outstanding NL team from last season - does it make this big of a difference? - we'll keep watching the Panthers and get eyes on them again sooner than later... the game was at Sheridan/ Coach Fisher & Coach Martens at Sheridan are outstanding and have been outstanding for years and years ... Sheridan plays Tri Valley the 20th and Fairfield Union the 28th - that will give us more to go on as to where Sheridan and New Lex stand ...

[HamPorter]

1 player being out for a 1-5 team would definitely make them at least 5-1 if he played every game, rite?

[JeepNation26]

1 player being out for a 1-5 team would definitely make them at least 5-1 if he played every game, rite?

Come on man, you're smart enough to know that - that's not what pfloyd was saying...

[pfloyd]

1 player being out for a 1-5 team would definitely make them at least 5-1 if he played every game, rite?

... doesn't mean LCHS beats EB with 1 player "not out" just means he is a "big" piece of what Lynchburg does/wants to do without him you get the 43 point spread ... I watched FU almost beat and should have beaten my tied for #1 Meigs who was without "1 player" Owen Tracy - Meigs had all of their size 6-8, 6-6, 6-5x2 , 6-4 but without their PG - that guy that could allow the other pieces to be where they are accustom and comfortable being - it forced the bigs to do what they aren't accustomed to doing - Meigs got a 4 pt win ... individual pieces matter when you are talking about smaller schools rosters imo ... one of the reasons I get out there to get eyes on as many of our teams as possible - a final score doesn't tell the whole story - I WANT to see how the pieces fit together- starters and off the bench ... coaching matters , decisions matter ... lots of variables that "a score" doesn't tell you ... heck even watching a video doesn't do teams justice ... when you see them in person you can with confidence say whether "1 player being out" makes a difference in what a team can or can not do ... Lynchburg has 3 losses vs 3 of the 4 top teams in the SHAC (Fairfield/Fayetteville/Eastern Brown) - the Green loss? I got nothing for that one LOL - Lynchburg played Fairfield Leesburg tight/even up matching runs for 3 qtrs - I like to look at how teams play IN LOSSES ... I have to look at WHO teams play to get a feel for the team- Logan plays in the OCC, have taken a beating vs OCC teams (losing vs Pick Central -39/Newark -34/ Reynoldsburg -25) but when they played Vinton County out of the SE district, a +10 point W ... I have them at #35 in this past weeks rankings ... Logan is 1-3 with 3 blowout losses ... they play Athens, Nelsonville York , Waverly & Circleville out of the SE district this season - I'll watch how they lose and/or win in the OCC as well as their performance vs teams in the SE district ... sorry I got away from your "dig" ... as far as I know Clinton has played in all the other Lynchburg games - 1 win and 4 other losses ... does Clinton playing vs EB make up 43 pts in the loss column - nope - but he IS the LCHS size ... vs the size/and more the strength of EB / the fact that EB plays a half-court game on offense which makes the EB size an even bigger advantage - it made the outcome what it looked like on the SOSA score page ... LCHS to make it a "better loss" needed the "1 player" in the lineup ...

[JeepNation26]

1 player being out for a 1-5 team would definitely make them at least 5-1 if he played every game, rite?

... doesn't mean LCHS beats EB with 1 player "not out" just means he is a "big" piece of what Lynchburg does/wants to do without him you get the 43 point spread ... I watched FU almost beat and should have beaten my tied for #1 Meigs who was without "1 player" Owen Tracy - Meigs had all of their size 6-8, 6-6, 6-5x2 , 6-4 but without their PG - that guy that could allow the other pieces to be where they are accustom and comfortable being - it forced the bigs to do what they aren't accustomed to doing - Meigs got a 4 pt win ... individual pieces matter when you are talking about smaller schools rosters imo ... one of the reasons I get out there to get eyes on as many of our teams as possible - a final score doesn't tell the whole story - I WANT to see how the pieces fit together- starters and off the bench ... coaching matters , decisions matter ... lots of variables that "a score" doesn't tell you ... heck even watching a video doesn't do teams justice ... when you see them in person you can with confidence say whether "1 player being out" makes a difference in what a team can or can not do ... Lynchburg has 3 losses vs 3 of the 4 top teams in the SHAC (Fairfield/Fayetteville/Eastern Brown) - the Green loss? I got nothing for that one LOL - Lynchburg played Fairfield Leesburg tight/even up matching runs for 3 qtrs - I like to look at how teams play IN LOSSES ... I have to look at WHO teams play to get a feel for the team- Logan plays in the OCC, have taken a beating vs OCC teams (losing vs Pick Central -39/Newark -34/ Reynoldsburg -25) but when they played Vinton County out of the SE district, a +10 point W ... I have them at #35 in this past weeks rankings ... Logan is 1-3 with 3 blowout losses ... they play Athens, Nelsonville York , Waverly & Circleville out of the SE district this season - I'll watch how they lose and/or win in the OCC as well as their performance vs teams in the SE district ... sorry I got away from your "dig" ... as far as I know Clinton has played in all the other Lynchburg games - 1 win and 4 other losses ... does Clinton playing vs EB make up 43 pts in the loss column - nope - but he IS the LCHS size ... vs the size/and more the strength of EB / the fact that EB plays a half-court game on offense which makes the EB size an even bigger advantage - it made the outcome what it looked like on the SOSA score page ... LCHS to make it a "better loss" needed the "1 player" in the lineup ...

Well said pfloyd, HamPorter just getting his jab in there. He knew what you meant.

[Warrior1990]

1 player being out for a 1-5 team would definitely make them at least 5-1 if he played every game, rite?

... doesn't mean LCHS beats EB with 1 player "not out" just means he is a "big" piece of what Lynchburg does/wants to do without him you get the 43 point spread ... I watched FU almost beat and should have beaten my tied for #1 Meigs who was without "1 player" Owen Tracy - Meigs had all of their size 6-8, 6-6, 6-5x2 , 6-4 but without their PG - that guy that could allow the other pieces to be where they are accustom and comfortable being - it forced the bigs to do what they aren't accustomed to doing - Meigs got a 4 pt win ... individual pieces matter when you are talking about smaller schools rosters imo ... one of the reasons I get out there to get eyes on as many of our teams as possible - a final score doesn't tell the whole story - I WANT to see how the pieces fit together- starters and off the bench ... coaching matters , decisions matter ... lots of variables that "a score" doesn't tell you ... heck even watching a video doesn't do teams justice ... when you see them in person you can with confidence say whether "1 player being out" makes a difference in what a team can or can not do ... Lynchburg has 3 losses vs 3 of the 4 top teams in the SHAC (Fairfield/Fayetteville/Eastern Brown) - the Green loss? I got nothing for that one LOL - Lynchburg played Fairfield Leesburg tight/even up matching runs for 3 qtrs - I like to look at how teams play IN LOSSES ... I have to look at WHO teams play to get a feel for the team- Logan plays in the OCC, have taken a beating vs OCC teams (losing vs Pick Central -39/Newark -34/ Reynoldsburg -25) but when they played Vinton County out of the SE district, a +10 point W ... I have them at #35 in this past weeks rankings ... Logan is 1-3 with 3 blowout losses ... they play Athens, Nelsonville York , Waverly & Circleville out of the SE district this season - I'll watch how they lose and/or win in the OCC as well as their performance vs teams in the SE district ... sorry I got away from your "dig" ... as far as I know Clinton has played in all the other Lynchburg games - 1 win and 4 other losses ... does Clinton playing vs EB make up 43 pts in the loss column - nope - but he IS the LCHS size ... vs the size/and more the strength of EB / the fact that EB plays a half-court game on offense which makes the EB size an even bigger advantage - it made the outcome what it looked like on the SOSA score page ... LCHS to make it a "better loss" needed the "1 player" in the lineup ...

Not to add fuel, but EB was without senior guard Drew Edmisten last night.

[pfloyd]

1 player being out for a 1-5 team would definitely make them at least 5-1 if he played every game, rite?

... doesn't mean LCHS beats EB with 1 player "not out" just means he is a "big" piece of what Lynchburg does/wants to do without him you get the 43 point spread ... I watched FU almost beat and should have beaten my tied for #1 Meigs who was without "1 player" Owen Tracy - Meigs had all of their size 6-8, 6-6, 6-5x2 , 6-4 but without their PG - that guy that could allow the other pieces to be where they are accustom and comfortable being - it forced the bigs to do what they aren't accustomed to doing - Meigs got a 4 pt win ... individual pieces matter when you are talking about smaller schools rosters imo ... one of the reasons I get out there to get eyes on as many of our teams as possible - a final score doesn't tell the whole story - I WANT to see how the pieces fit together- starters and off the bench ... coaching matters , decisions matter ... lots of variables that "a score" doesn't tell you ... heck even watching a video doesn't do teams justice ... when you see them in person you can with confidence say whether "1 player being out" makes a difference in what a team can or can not do ... Lynchburg has 3 losses vs 3 of the 4 top teams in the SHAC (Fairfield/Fayetteville/Eastern Brown) - the Green loss? I got nothing for that one LOL - Lynchburg played Fairfield Leesburg tight/even up matching runs for 3 qtrs - I like to look at how teams play IN LOSSES ... I have to look at WHO teams play to get a feel for the team- Logan plays in the OCC, have taken a beating vs OCC teams (losing vs Pick Central -39/Newark -34/ Reynoldsburg -25) but when they played Vinton County out of the SE district, a +10 point W ... I have them at #35 in this past weeks rankings ... Logan is 1-3 with 3 blowout losses ... they play Athens, Nelsonville York , Waverly & Circleville out of the SE district this season - I'll watch how they lose and/or win in the OCC as well as their performance vs teams in the SE district ... sorry I got away from your "dig" ... as far as I know Clinton has played in all the other Lynchburg games - 1 win and 4 other losses ... does Clinton playing vs EB make up 43 pts in the loss column - nope - but he IS the LCHS size ... vs the size/and more the strength of EB / the fact that EB plays a half-court game on offense which makes the EB size an even bigger advantage - it made the outcome what it looked like on the SOSA score page ... LCHS to make it a "better loss" needed the "1 player" in the lineup ...

Not to add fuel, but EB was without senior guard Drew Edmisten last night.

... no fuel added at all ... it's all good ... I wasn't trying to say that LCHS would have won, but with the mismatch of size/strength/ type of game in the half court ... missing your lone "relative big at 6-3" would allow EB to pretty much do whatever they would want on offense ... any missing players on any team are a hit to rotations - Edmisten out would take some away from EB on D ,3 point shooting, attacking the rim off the dribble ... the difference in benches is night and day for EB vs LCHS ... EB's regular rotation is 9-10 ... LCHS - definitely not 9-10 and maybe 1 with 6-3 or 6-4 size ... I'm curious now as to the "points in the paint" for EB and the 3 point shooting for EB in this game ... EB takes maybe from 10-12 threes per game ? (with Edmisten being a key in the 3 point game for EB)... there was no article on the Highland County Press website to get a feel for how EB ran their offense - halfcourt attacking the rim vs undersized Mustangs? or did they get it inside establish the inside game then kick it outside for 3's? ... anyone attend this one?

[Warrior1990]

... doesn't mean LCHS beats EB with 1 player "not out" just means he is a "big" piece of what Lynchburg does/wants to do without him you get the 43 point spread ... I watched FU almost beat and should have beaten my tied for #1 Meigs who was without "1 player" Owen Tracy - Meigs had all of their size 6-8, 6-6, 6-5x2 , 6-4 but without their PG - that guy that could allow the other pieces to be where they are accustom and comfortable being - it forced the bigs to do what they aren't accustomed to doing - Meigs got a 4 pt win ... individual pieces matter when you are talking about smaller schools rosters imo ... one of the reasons I get out there to get eyes on as many of our teams as possible - a final score doesn't tell the whole story - I WANT to see how the pieces fit together- starters and off the bench ... coaching matters , decisions matter ... lots of variables that "a score" doesn't tell you ... heck even watching a video doesn't do teams justice ... when you see them in person you can with confidence say whether "1 player being out" makes a difference in what a team can or can not do ... Lynchburg has 3 losses vs 3 of the 4 top teams in the SHAC (Fairfield/Fayetteville/Eastern Brown) - the Green loss? I got nothing for that one LOL - Lynchburg played Fairfield Leesburg tight/even up matching runs for 3 qtrs - I like to look at how teams play IN LOSSES ... I have to look at WHO teams play to get a feel for the team- Logan plays in the OCC, have taken a beating vs OCC teams (losing vs Pick Central -39/Newark -34/ Reynoldsburg -25) but when they played Vinton County out of the SE district, a +10 point W ... I have them at #35 in this past weeks rankings ... Logan is 1-3 with 3 blowout losses ... they play Athens, Nelsonville York , Waverly & Circleville out of the SE district this season - I'll watch how they lose and/or win in the OCC as well as their performance vs teams in the SE district ... sorry I got away from your "dig" ... as far as I know Clinton has played in all the other Lynchburg games - 1 win and 4 other losses ... does Clinton playing vs EB make up 43 pts in the loss column - nope - but he IS the LCHS size ... vs the size/and more the strength of EB / the fact that EB plays a half-court game on offense which makes the EB size an even bigger advantage - it made the outcome what it looked like on the SOSA score page ... LCHS to make it a "better loss" needed the "1 player" in the lineup ...

Not to add fuel, but EB was without senior guard Drew Edmisten last night.

... no fuel added at all ... it's all good ... I wasn't trying to say that LCHS would have won, but with the mismatch of size/strength/ type of game in the half court ... missing your lone "relative big at 6-3" would allow EB to pretty much do whatever they would want on offense ... any missing players on any team are a hit to rotations - Edmisten out would take some away from EB on D ,3 point shooting, attacking the rim off the dribble ... the difference in benches is night and day for EB vs LCHS ... EB's regular rotation is 9-10 ... LCHS - definitely not 9-10 and maybe 1 with 6-3 or 6-4 size ... I'm curious now as to the "points in the paint" for EB and the 3 point shooting for EB in this game ... EB takes maybe from 10-12 threes per game ? (with Edmisten being a key in the 3 point game for EB)... there was no article on the Highland County Press website to get a feel for how EB ran their offense - halfcourt attacking the rim vs undersized Mustangs? or did they get it inside establish the inside game then kick it outside for 3's? ... anyone attend this one?

EB ran their standard half court attack with post ups to the bigs and penetration to the rim. Even without Edmisten, they got good outside shooting going 7-18 from three land. They also got 10 steals to create some fastbreak points as well. The real difference was EB domination of the boards. Lynchburg has not posted their stats yet so I don’t know their rebound total, but EB recorded 51 rebounds on the night! Lots of put-backs! There was a running clock starting with about 3 minutes left in the third all the way through the fourth quarter. Beucler played mostly his JV players in the fourth.

[pfloyd]

Not to add fuel, but EB was without senior guard Drew Edmisten last night.

... no fuel added at all ... it's all good ... I wasn't trying to say that LCHS would have won, but with the mismatch of size/strength/ type of game in the half court ... missing your lone "relative big at 6-3" would allow EB to pretty much do whatever they would want on offense ... any missing players on any team are a hit to rotations - Edmisten out would take some away from EB on D ,3 point shooting, attacking the rim off the dribble ... the difference in benches is night and day for EB vs LCHS ... EB's regular rotation is 9-10 ... LCHS - definitely not 9-10 and maybe 1 with 6-3 or 6-4 size ... I'm curious now as to the "points in the paint" for EB and the 3 point shooting for EB in this game ... EB takes maybe from 10-12 threes per game ? (with Edmisten being a key in the 3 point game for EB)... there was no article on the Highland County Press website to get a feel for how EB ran their offense - halfcourt attacking the rim vs undersized Mustangs? or did they get it inside establish the inside game then kick it outside for 3's? ... anyone attend this one?

EB ran their standard half court attack with post ups to the bigs and penetration to the rim. Even without Edmisten, they got good outside shooting going 7-18 from three land. They also got 10 steals to create some fastbreak points as well. The real difference was EB domination of the boards. Lynchburg has not posted their stats yet so I don’t know their rebound total, but EB recorded 51 rebounds on the night! Lots of put-backs! There was a running clock starting with about 3 minutes left in the third all the way through the fourth quarter. Beucler played mostly his JV players in the fourth.

... sounds pretty dominating to me ... the EB JVs are REALLY good ...between Eastern Brown's JV and North Adams' JV's - they are both outstanding when I watched them play each other ... I figured with EB's size and the lack of size for Lynchburg - it was going to be ugly napkin stats from in the paint ... thanks for the rundown Warrior1990 greatly appreciated ...

[hoopsnut1979]

With this many teams, sometimes you just get it wrong also. Especially early on. I think it is safe to say you simply had Lynchburg too high to start. I don't find the Green loss that surprising at all given their body of work so far.

I know you say you evaluate "good" wins and "good" losses but I don't think it's possible to do that fairly with the amount of teams you cover. I think there is a tremendous amount of parity with the teams in the 20-60 range. Sometimes there are just matchup and style differences that don't translate with other matchups.

Good banter all the same.

[Ohionut8]

Anyone know why Meigs is not playing in any tournaments? Were they not invited, not accept, or just lost in the shuffle because of the coaching change?

[2quick2catch]

Is Roberts back playing for SW yet?

[pfloyd]

With this many teams, sometimes you just get it wrong also. Especially early on. I think it is safe to say you simply had Lynchburg too high to start. I don't find the Green loss that surprising at all given their body of work so far.

I know you say you evaluate "good" wins and "good" losses but I don't think it's possible to do that fairly with the amount of teams you cover. I think there is a tremendous amount of parity with the teams in the 20-60 range. Sometimes there are just matchup and style differences that don't translate with other matchups.

Good banter all the same.

… I’m okay with being wrong … I like when teams are better than I ranked them in the preseason - means there’s more good games to go see …

[pfloyd]

... the pfloyd tour has been sidelined from this past Wednesday - ??? ... family health issue, had to go Above the Lancaster-Dixon Line until further notice ... my plans were to be at the Clash at the Coliseum today, start at the Clash tomorrow, then head for ZT to catch ZT hosting Miami Trace Saturday evening ... definitely not able to be at Warren HS today - I contacted the coaching staff there to let them know as they thought I would be there ... hoping to be able to make the ZT game tomorrow night ... the rankings Sunday may be late depending on the situation ... hold down the fort ...

[The Ghost of Swanker]

Is Roberts back playing for SW yet?

Yes. Played a great game tonight

[SHACFan]

SHAC
North Adams 63
Peebles 54

Lynchburg 59
West Union 51

Fayetteville 51
Fairfield 47

Whiteoak 51
Manchester 44

[Hoopie74]

SHAC
North Adams 63
Peebles 54

Lynchburg 59
West Union 51

Fayetteville 51
Fairfield 47

Whiteoak 51
Manchester 44

SHAC teams beating up each other as usual. Usually all very competitive games. Same tonight as usual.North Adams / Peebles game was a 1 point game with less than 2:00. Fairfield/ Fayetteville game was much the same

[Ohionut8]

Finally was able to take in a Meigs game tonight. Not only does Meigs have height at all positions, but plenty of athleticism as well . I believe 6 players in double figures tonight, with all starters being able to score inside and out.
Davis high scorer for Meigs, although I thought Briniger( sp?) was the best all round player in the court tonight. According to a Meigs fan next to me Davis was ill yesterday and couldn’t practice, he didn’t seem to play with a lot of energy tonight. Score could have been worse, officiating crew called a lot of anticipation fouls on Meigs, maybe not used to officiating a team with that much height?
Meigs played a little sloppy once lead got to 20, both offensively and defensively. Seemed to turn it on at will though. I hope to catch Minford in the next week or so.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

Jeeps lance the lancers at home. Roberts returns with 13 points. Probably 5 really good assists and unselfish play and played the Webster pace on defense as best as he could. Looked a little out of condition but he’ll catch up. Shupert and Barnard stole the show, the ball, the Christmas presents and your girl. Word on the street Bo Stephens is out for three weeks with a boot on. Once again 4 jeeps in double figures.

[Tvcfanatic]

Anyone know why Meigs is not playing in any tournaments? Were they not invited, not accept, or just lost in the shuffle because of the coaching change?

I honestly think they just weren’t invited or just never got to accept them due to the coaching change in the offseason