Division III Sectional Pairings

BlindWhiteHat · Post by **BlindWhiteHat** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:42 pm

I'm surprised to see all this whining about tourney seeding. :cry:

Most everyone knows that the seedings have some credibility to it but most of it is a game in itself. There is nothing to say that if Wheelersburg was the #1 seed that Ironton/Rock Hill would still be #8 and #9. :roll:

someoverkill · Post by **someoverkill** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:34 pm

Did I see where the #8 seed Rock Hill just throttled the #6 seed Minford by 20+ points? Blindwhite hat, do they still vote on the top two seeds and then the other teams go where they want to go by seeding? If that is so, I guess Rock hill and Ironton specifically wanted to play the number 1 seed? Maybe you could explain the seeding process? Maybe I am missing something.

4thgoal · Post by **4thgoal** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:38 pm

TheMalteseFalcon wrote:
Army wrote:If South Point makes it out, I can see them beating the Burg. [/b][/color]

I'm betting that you haven't even seen South Point play this year. I'm also betting that the only ARMY you were ever in was the SALVATION ARMY.

I don't even think they would take him :!:

BlindWhiteHat · Post by **BlindWhiteHat** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:17 pm

someoverkill wrote:Did I see where the #8 seed Rock Hill just throttled the #6 seed Minford by 20+ points? Blindwhite hat, do they still vote on the top two seeds and then the other teams go where they want to go by seeding? If that is so, I guess Rock hill and Ironton specifically wanted to play the number 1 seed? Maybe you could explain the seeding process? Maybe I am missing something.

The seeding goes a little sumthin' like this;

Each seed is voted on individually starting with the #1 seed and follows all the way down through the last seed. So, the number #1 is decided, then the vote is taken on who should be #2 and so forth. With this format, a coach could see who his opponent would be before voting for his team. That is why I made the comment that if Wheelersburg were the #1 seed, Ironton and Rock Hill may not have ended up at #8 and #9. Maybe those coaches felt they could compete better with SP than with Wheelersburg. Seeing that #7 would play Wheelersburg (if #7 wins game one) maybe coaches tried to keep themselves out of the #7 spot and move down to #8 or #9.

I've also seen instances in which league teams will do their best to avoid each other as long as possible. Maybe it's because they don't want to eliminate each other or maybe it's because one team doesn't match up well with another. Either way, as you can see there can be a lot of shenanigans when voting to seed teams. ;-)

piratepride05 · Post by **piratepride05** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:22 pm

Army, why do you hate Wheelersburg so much?

Wheelersburg is a quality team, like always. South Point is a solid team from what Im told, but I have not seen them play.

I think the seeds are good enough. They are put together by men, and they are not perfect. Thats why its a playoff system. The best team should get through to the top. It could be worse, what if we had a BCS type deal?

NYBuckeye96 · Post by **NYBuckeye96** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:34 pm

I like how conference teams try to avoid each other in the sectionals. It makes the most sense. I always hate it when NY has to play a TVC team in the sectionals. I like seeing new teams I haven't seen yet. This year, for example, NY will play Alexander in the opening round of the sectional tourney. This will be the third game this year between NY and Alex. Whoever wins that game will play the winner of Fairland and Crooksville. Neither NY or Alex have seen Fairland or Crooksville this season. I would rather have seen an NY vs. Fairland and Alex vs. Crooksville matchup or vice versa. I think part of the fun of tournament play is seeing new schools you typically don't get to see in the regular season.

Raiderball · Post by **Raiderball** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:05 pm

someoverkill wrote:Did I see where the #8 seed Rock Hill just throttled the #6 seed Minford by 20+ points? Blindwhite hat, do they still vote on the top two seeds and then the other teams go where they want to go by seeding? If that is so, I guess Rock hill and Ironton specifically wanted to play the number 1 seed? Maybe you could explain the seeding process? Maybe I am missing something.

Minford is the 6 seed at Waverly. Rock Hill the 8 at Jackson.

recall · Post by **recall** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:04 pm

I see Valley THROTTLING Piketon in the first round!

someoverkill · Post by **someoverkill** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:04 pm

I thought both locations were combined?

Raiderball · Post by **Raiderball** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:40 pm

Championship · Post by **Championship** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:11 pm

kinda lookin ahead a touch...tryin to look at some possible matchups at the convo how does it work.....like if u win do u play sum1 who represents the other sectional like some1 from jackson would play some1 from waverly?

beleagle05 · Post by **beleagle05** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:41 am

correct....

here are the brackets..

http://www.seodab.org/brackets/2008/boys_bb_div3.htm

DEmaniac · Post by **DEmaniac** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:10 am

Army is a beaten down Cav that cant believe his team got beat by a lowly Burg team last year and is making his case this year against a Burg team that recovered from a long football stint (unlike his Cav team) and HE STILL cant undestand why his football and bball teams are so bad year in and year out. Have fun this year and get ready for a bashing attack next year loser! Not just against Burg, but against many opponents. Your lame comments are not appreciated on here or are they cared for. GO TROJANS in their dominance against the CAVS! GO PIRATES in this years playoffs!! Anything but ARMY!!! LOL!!!!!!

As for Burg bball, I would love to have seen them at the #2 seed but it doesnt matter. They are playing really good ball right now and SP will be something to look forward to when the time comes. If and when it comes, you can bet it will be a great game!

Burg_Grad_77 · Post by **Burg_Grad_77** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:40 am

recall wrote:I see Valley THROTTLING Piketon in the first round!

If Valley stays within 15 points of Piketon I'll be surprised.

Championship · Post by **Championship** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 am

thanks for the brackets beleagle

buckeye221 · Post by **buckeye221** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:06 pm

someoverkill wrote:After further review, this really was a horrible draw. South Point at the time of the draw had played 14 games. 9 of those games were at home and of the 5 away games, one was with Ironton St Joe and one was Huntington St Joe. I don't believe SP played the West Union game that was a scheduled road game. They still have games on the road with Peebles, River Valley, Chesapeake and Rock Hill and still have a home game with Fairland. Now compare that with Wheelersburg. Yes, the Pirates have lost 2 games, but one was to Oak Hill on the road early and the other was to Chillicothe. A team with talent South Point hasn't dreamed of seeing yet. Wheelersburg has also played 8 away games versus 7 home games after 15 games. The Pirates have also played Huntington High (not St Joe), Ironton (not St Joe) and Portsmouth. They beat Chesapeake on the road (something South Point has yet to do)and they beat Northwest twice, I believe. (once on the road, which SP beat at SP). I am sure nobody looks at anything ike this when the draw comes down. i am sure they just vote for their buddies and conference schools. However to say the Pointers deserve the #1 slot, not good in my opinion. The good thing is, they will have to lay the games. If South Point makes it out of the district, I will give them their kudos.

you are spending way too much time and energy figuring out why SP got #1 seed. All the reasons you are explaining get talked about at the sectional drawing...coaches talk about who their team played a lot. You said in your message that nobody looks at anything like that and they just vote for their buddies. that is not true. they write down their wins and loses based on what division their opponents were from. So if wheelersburg lost to big schools in higher divisions...the other coaches know about it trust me. Also South Point has to show if all their wins are from smaller schools. all the information is presented and there is even open discussion before they start voting. now sometimes other schools (in the same conference usually) will help other schools get the seed that they want. BUT if a team is undefeated....even if they haven't played schools in bigger divisions, almost all the other coaches have enough respect to seed them high. Because no matter who you play...it IS hard to go all season undefeated. I understand that South Point hasn't played tough schools like some of the others...but lets say South Point played the big schools and lost...would you be complaining if they still get the #1? YES.

I don't care what school you are from...if your team is undefeated and you don't get the #1 you would be upset unless other schools were also undefeated.

someoverkill · Post by **someoverkill** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:54 pm

being upset and doing what is right, is two seperate issues. As for playing tougher teams, we will never know. I guess we will know in the next few years, when and/ or if they beef that schedule up.

buckeye221 · Post by **buckeye221** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:37 pm

Its not like just one or a few people decided who was #1...all the coaches got to vote on every slot. I think the right thing was done. Its a weak argument to complain about scheduling. The kids can't help who they have to play during the season...all they do is go out there and do their best. And then when a team goes undefeated...they have done all they can do with the schedule that they got. Therefore I can't see how complaining about their opponents should justify your reasoning for them being #1.

I am not naive though, I see that Wheelersburg played some tough teams and won a few against good teams and lost a few against good teams. I wish them all the luck in the tournament! But the pointers have done amazing this season and everyone is proud of you...you played the schedule you got so far with perfection, be proud of that and keep trying your best!

Cookie · Post by **Cookie** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:52 pm

I think #6 Minford playing #11 Westfall will be a very good game. Westfall got a late start from football and is a very good team that I think will win this one.

buckeye221 · Post by **buckeye221** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:03 pm

South Point 18-0

Still undefeated and still deserving of the #1 slot in the sectionals. Congrats boys...keep it up!