Southeast District Top 25

[jimmy chipwood]

Southeast District Top 25

1. Portsmouth 14-2 Best Win = @ Chilly Loss = @Ironton, @Warren

2. Chesapeake 14-1 Best Win = @ Ironton Loss = Logan Elm (n)

3. Chillicothe 11-4 Best Win = Warren Worst Loss = Eastmoor Academy???

4. Warren 11-2 Best Win = Portsmouth Loss = @Chillicothe/@PHS

5. Ironton 12-3 Best Win = Portsmouth Worst Loss = @Greenup Co.

6. Logan Elm 10-4 Best Win = Chesapeake Worst Loss = @ Teays Valley

7. Lucasville Valley 13-2 Best Win = Waverly Worst Loss = @ Zane Trace

8. Waverly 12-3 Best Win = Piketon Worst Loss =@Lucasville Valley

9. Fairland 13-3 Best Win = South Webster (N) Worst Loss = Oak Hill

10. Peebles 12-2 Best Win = Ripley Worst Loss = @Southeastern

11. Eastern Brown 11-4 Best Win = @ Peebles Worst Loss = @ North Adams

12. Hillsboro 11-3 Best Win = Eastern Brown Worst Loss = @Miami Trace

13. Marietta 7-7 Best Win = Coshocton Worst Loss = @Belpre

14. Huntington Ross 11-4 Best Win = @ Piketon Worst Loss = @Westfall

15. Fairfield Union 8-6 Best Win = @ Circleville Worst Loss = @ Teays Valley

16. Circleville 10-4 Best Win = Logan Elm Worst Loss = Fairfield Union

17. Unioto 9-4 Best Win = Piketon Worst Loss = @ Greenfield McClain

18. Racine Southern 11-2 Best Win = Belpre Worst Loss = Reedsville Eastern

19. Piketon 10-5 Best Win = @Southeastern Worst Loss = Huntington Ross

20. Belpre 9-4 Best Win = Marietta Worst Loss = Southern

21. South Webster 7-6 Best Win = @Oak Hill Worst Loss = @Notre Dame

22. Sheridan 9-4 Best Win = Tri-Valley Worst Loss = @Maysville

23. Oak Hill 10-5 Best Win = Fairland Worst Loss = @ Minford

24. Southeastern Ross 8-5 Best win = Peebles Worst Loss = @ Adena

25. Minford 9-5 Best Win = South Webster Worst Loss = @Jackson

[jimmy chipwood]

Format didnt copy and paste correctly. This looks like crap but dont think Im going to re-type everything just for aesthetics. Feel free to make cases for teams and complain (as long as its logical/rational).

[CharlieHustle]

No love for Notre Dame? 12-2 on the season. Only losses to @Eastern by 2, and Columbus Tree of Life @The Convo.

[danicalifornia]

I'll toss Zane Trace in as a team to look for. Yes, they are just 7-6, but have won 4 straight and have wins over Lucasville Valley and Unioto. They have Southeastern and Huntington coming up this week, so they could make some more noise in the SVC.

[streetballer]

Eastern brown below peebles even after they beat peebles?manchester not in top 25 but south webster is?manchester has had a rough season but deserve to be in top 25

[jimmy chipwood]

No love for Notre Dame? 12-2 on the season. Only losses to @Eastern by 2, and Columbus Tree of Life @The Convo.

They were given consideration and along with a few others. I know I am going to hear a lot of rumbling about Marietta at #13 but after you look over their schedule/results/scores for the season ask yourself this question. If you had to bet your house on a Marietta/Hillsboro game on a neutral floor who would you take? I know I would take Marietta right now without any hesitation.

[danicalifornia]

I'd take a lot of teams over Hillsboro in that(mostly because I'm not a homeowner)

Not a big fan of where Marietta or Fairfield Union are ranked, but overall, I like the look of it. The ECOL is overvalued, IMO, and Etta would have the same record at best if they were still in the SEOAL. I know Bloom Carroll is one of the top teams in the state in D3, but FU needed to at least show up in that.

Of course, my teams I'd list over them lost to teams that had no business losing to this weekend, so that's why I won't argue for them at all. Good work putting yourself out there, I'd like to see a secondary list or 2 on the site. Just don't flip out on your critics like the guy last year, LOL.

[Crab's Brother]

Eastern brown below peebles even after they beat peebles?manchester not in top 25 but south webster is?manchester has had a rough season but deserve to be in top 25

Based on what? They don't have any good wins and I dont see a team on his list that I would put below them.

[Jesco White]

I agree with Crab's Bro. Streetballer, could you please list Manchester's quality wins? I realize that you are a die-hard fan, and I've always taken that into consideration with your posts when some others have absolutely laid into you about them. But, I would really love to see you give us some actual fact based info on the Hounds, other than just you think they are great. I can give you South Webster's resume, which will show why they deserve to be ranked ahead of a lot of teams at this point in spite of their record. At the same time, Manchester's record is in the same range as the Jeeps, but I've not noticed any wins that jump out as quality. And, I'll take South Webster's schedule as being stronger at this point. In addition to playing in the SOC 2 (where they are currently the 3rd place team), they've had non-league match-ups with the likes of Notre Dame, Portsmouth and Fairland. I know that Combs is a very solid player and he has a couple of nice players in his supporting cast, but can you give us an actual fact based case for the Hounds being ranked in a Top 25 in the entire District regardless of division?

[TribeManiac10]

Eastern brown below peebles even after they beat peebles?manchester not in top 25 but south webster is?manchester has had a rough season but deserve to be in top 25

Peebles is still the better team IMO. Cant wait till they play each other again later this season.

[ohbuckeye2]

Did you use each Teams overall strength of schedule when making the list or just their best win and worst loss? Example, here is Irontons schedule:

Ironton (12-3)

Ironton..53 - Lucasville (13-2).........50
Ironton..66 - Portsmouth (14-2).......52
Ironton..44 - Waverly (12-3)............42
Ironton..62 - Huntington,WV (6-7)....54
Ironton..64 - ST Clairsville (12-2)......51
Ironton..53 - Brookhaven (11-4).......48
Ironton..62 - Brook Point, VA (12-5)..58
Chesapeake (14-1)...69 - Ironton........66
Ironton..63 - Gallia Academy (3-11)...35
Ironton..69 - Ashland, KY (14-9)........68
Greenup CO (12-13)...62 - Ironton........57
Ironton..62 - Spring Valley (6-10).......42
Portsmouth (14-2)......59 - Ironton.......53
Ironton..72 - Greenup CO (12-13).......26
Ironton..80 - Col Hor Sci Acad (7-5)....54

Opponants combined Records 162-89

[Jesco White]

OHbuckeye makes an interesting observation, in terms of overall strength of schedule. I started following his lead with this stuff last week and did some research on the strength of schedule of some of the SOC 2 schools. I'll see if I can find the info that I looked up and post it for you jimmy. Maybe it will be useful to you on down the road with to go along with the info that you already spend time looking up. I know that I was a little surprised at how much discrepancy there was between the schedules of some of the teams in the SOC 2 in terms of teams they've defeated vs teams they've lost to and overall schedule. It reinforced my thoughts on some teams and kind of made me hesitate on some others.

Overall, I appreciate the effort you've put into this.

[jimmy chipwood]

You guys are funny. You seriously think I would do a Top 25 SED and not look at every team's complete schedule? I looked at the complete schedule of all 25 teams on this list as well as a few others that were really close. How could anyone objectively rank the SED without looking at the total work of every team. The best win/worst loss is just something I added to the rankings for a little bit of info. Not only do you have to look at each teams schedule but who their opponents have played.

OHBuckye,

ex: D2 Brookhaven is #58 ranked on Maxpreps and 11-4.
ex: D2 St. Clairsville is #157 ranked and 12-2.

I dont base everything off of Maxpreps, but it does help with teams that are not in the Southeast District.

[Jesco White]

jimmy,

Honestly, do you intend to sound as condescending as you do when people attempt to interact with you? This is the second time that you've come across that way when I've posted on your threads, and I've noticed it in your response to others. What is the point here? Do you think we should simply agree with everything you've stated just because? Honsetly man, maybe I'm taking your comments the wrong way, which is entirely possible, but it's just tough to actually want to discuss things when it seems as if you have some sort of chip on your shoulder. I already know that you attempt to rank these teams based on info that you look up rather than actually watching them. That, in and of itself, makes for a heck of a lot work and already makes things difficult to truly know the teams. When people question you, it's just part of it. What's wrong with people questioning your opinions and also offering to help?

[jimmy chipwood]

jimmy,

Honestly, do you intend to sound as condescending as you do when people attempt to interact with you? This is the second time that you've come across that way when I've posted on your threads, and I've noticed it in your response to others. What is the point here? Do you think we should simply agree with everything you've stated just because? Honsetly man, maybe I'm taking your comments the wrong way, which is entirely possible, but it's just tough to actually want to discuss things when it seems as if you have some sort of chip on your shoulder. I already know that you attempt to rank these teams based on info that you look up rather than actually watching them. That, in and of itself, makes for a heck of a lot work and already makes things difficult to truly know the teams. When people question you, it's just part of it. What's wrong with people questioning your opinions and also offering to help?

Jesco, my last post was not meant to be condescending although I can see where you would think that. I stand by my last post as I dont see how anybody can rank teams without looking at their complete schedule. I am not going to rank a team based on 1 game that I watched. I watched Valley play WBurg on the internet Friday night and they looked very average. Based on that game I would place Valley way farther down in the rankings but I realize that this was only 1 of their games and that it might not represent the quality of their other 13 games. Nobody has to agree with anything I write. A lot of postors are biased towards their home teams and there is no way your going to please them. I dont have a chip on my shoulder and I dont care if I get any credit for the rankings (thus the title of the rankings). I do this because I enjoy evaluating/analyzing high school basketball. I spend several hours every Sunday morning putting these together and they are totally objective. The post above was intended for buckeye. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

[Jesco White]

jimmy,

Honestly, do you intend to sound as condescending as you do when people attempt to interact with you? This is the second time that you've come across that way when I've posted on your threads, and I've noticed it in your response to others. What is the point here? Do you think we should simply agree with everything you've stated just because? Honsetly man, maybe I'm taking your comments the wrong way, which is entirely possible, but it's just tough to actually want to discuss things when it seems as if you have some sort of chip on your shoulder. I already know that you attempt to rank these teams based on info that you look up rather than actually watching them. That, in and of itself, makes for a heck of a lot work and already makes things difficult to truly know the teams. When people question you, it's just part of it. What's wrong with people questioning your opinions and also offering to help?

Jesco, my last post was not meant to be condescending although I can see where you would think that. I stand by my last post as I dont see how anybody can rank teams without looking at their complete schedule. I am not going to orank a team based on 1 game that I watched. I watched Valley play WBurg on the internet Friday night and they looked very average. Based on that game I would place Valley way farther down in the rankings but I realize that this was only 1 of their games and that it might not represent the quality of their other 13 games. Nobody has to agree with anything I write. A lot of postors are biased towards their home teams and there is no way your going to please them. I dont have a chip on my shoulder and I dont care if I get any credit for the rankings (thus the title of the rankings). I do this because I enjoy evaluating/analyzing high school basketball. I spend several hours every Sunday morning putting these together and they are totally objective. The post above was intended for buckeye. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Understandable. I appreciate the response.

As for Valley on Friday, yes indeed. They definitely did not play as well as could have been expected. Kudos to Burg on the effort, and fortunately we were able to pick up another league win, maintain our lead in the SOC and extend the winning streak to 12 in a row. When chasing a league title it's always better to survive an average performance with a win than to get knocked off on an off night against a well-coached team. But, I'm hoping the kids get back to the outings they turned in over the last two weeks instead lol

Thanks again for your efforts.

[Ironman92]

I think your bigger schools (Logan Elm, Marietta, Fairfield) are getting too much credit for being big with a tougher schedule.

[Tim Hardaway Jr.]

I think your bigger schools (Logan Elm, Marietta, Fairfield) are getting too much credit for being big with a tougher schedule.

how can you get too much credit for playing a tougher schedule?

[underthemound]

^^ agreed. Ironman has been talking down Marietta all year, without any substance behind it. Please say why they are getting too much credit.

[Ironman92]

Please cite all times I have touched Marietta.