Southeast District Top 25

[Tim Hardaway Jr.]

I wasn't even saying Marietta specifically but obviously because I'm a fan of them I know how tough their schedule is. You didn't answer my question though.

[Ironman92]

After looking closer at the schedules those three I mentioned are worthy of the areas that they are ranked. I don't like LE at #6 over a few of those teams....but also know Coach Stiverson and LE can beat anyone....I just feel they aren't quite as strong as normal....and their huge win over Peake was without McMaster...one of the better players around.

FU is probably really close to where they should be....it just seems that league is down a touch.

As for Marietta, obviously I know little about them. I just have the memory of reading some of those game threads and the negativity towards Secrest and some were saying his job was in trouble and they might only win about 6 games....doesn't give a good impression! Quite honestly I always thought Secrest did a good job. It's hard to gauge them now that they are out of the SEOAL.....played Warren tight, in your head you have to say....WOW must be pretty solid....but also must say....rivalry game typically assist the underdog. Then they lose to Belpre by 8 which is bad....and then Warren beats Belpre to a pulp....but Belpre has went on to be around 10-4....so that loss lessens it in my mind a bit.

I don't like being called out when I have said about 3 posts each way on Marietta, especially when it was others asking why they were so high earlier and I was defending it.....got their own fans slamming on Secrest. Call those fools out.

[Jesco White]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but my thought on strength of schedule also involves wins against those teams. Quality losses are worth noting, but at some point in time you have to win some of those games to get over the hump in my opinion. I don't know much about Marietta's body of work. Since they are the team we appear to be talking about, can someone break down their overall schedule with total wins and losses for me? Thanks in advance.

[jimmy chipwood]

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/ma ... hedule.htm

The only game missing is a win over athens - Marietta won 62-47.

make sure to look at each teams state ranking (which is not an exact science) but does reflect somewhat on the strength of each team.
For example purposes Piketon's team ranking is around 370.

[Jesco White]

jimmy,

I spent quite a bit of time looking over max preps rankings earlier. I was a little frustrated at some of the inaccuracies in records and some of the inaccurate information that I knew of. It made me a little nervous when looking over the teams I'm not as familiar with. Do you know how many of the teams in our district have inaccurate information listed, or is it pretty accurate overall?

[underthemound]

An apologies is an order to ironman. I let frustration get the best of me. After watching the boys from Marietta fight night in and night out, I might have went too far in calling someone out. The boys work hard and have had some tough loses. I agree with jesco, they need to eventually win some of those close games. But, I believe that jimmy has Marietta where they deserve and would argue with anyone who says otherwise. Jimmy gives many reasons why they should be there. If someone believes they shouldn't then give reasons. I like a good argument.

Ironman, fans call out Coach Seacrest when he's losing and are behind him when he's winning. Not much different from most other schools. In reality Marietta has a good chance to win a sectional championship if they draw away from Warren. That should buy him more time, although next year isn't looking good with all the talent that is graduating.

Hopefully i'll be able to get a breakdown on the schedule tomorrow for everyone.

[Ironman92]

Good Luck to the Tigers....unless they somehow match up with my Ironmen!

Thank You

[jimmy chipwood]

jimmy,

I spent quite a bit of time looking over max preps rankings earlier. I was a little frustrated at some of the inaccuracies in records and some of the inaccurate information that I knew of. It made me a little nervous when looking over the teams I'm not as familiar with. Do you know how many of the teams in our district have inaccurate information listed, or is it pretty accurate overall?

Jesco,

A lot of people get on that site and see that the coach is from 5 years ago or some other information that is blatantly wrong. All I care about is if the the game results are accurate and for the most part they are. Sometimes the schedules are wrong and every now and than a score is inaccurate. I will take a deeper look by going to that schools website (very time consuming). An example would be Circleville played Hamilton Saturday night even though the game shows up on Logan Elm's record on MaxPreps. The bigger, less rural schools tend to have accurate schedules and stay pretty current.

[jimmy chipwood]

Ironman,

I didnt know that Logan Elm beat Chesapeake without McMasters. This is a perfect example of why I put a little more faith into looking at a teams full schedule/results instead of watching a team play. If I would have not saw that Valley/WBurg game Friday night I would have had Valley at #6 and Logan Elm at #7. That is the difference between subjective and objective rankings. My tiebreaker was the fact that I just watched a mediocre performance by Valley.

[streetballer]

Awful high ranking for marietta with a 7-7 record..id put manchester over south webster anyday..

[Bazinga!]

Yeah that Marietta ranking IS way too high. You have to have a few quality wins on the record when you have a tough schedule. Just to play Warren close or someone else tough isn't enough. They are a big school and should be playing big schools and beating big schools. They get no passes because of it. 7-7 is mediocre. Size of school is more relavent than strength of schedule. There are alot of smaller schools out there who would beat them. I am in no way a Tiger hater either, just stating my opinion on the "strength of schedule" argument.

[Crab's Brother]

Awful high ranking for marietta with a 7-7 record..id put manchester over south webster anyday..

Once again, based on what? Webster is playing good ball. They have hammered Oak Hill (twice, I believe) and Minford, all 3 of which are better than any win Manchester has. Webster has won 4 in a row (I believe) and Manchester has lost a few here recently. You are just biased and we all know it, but at least try to back up these stupid statements.

[jimmy chipwood]

Marietta Wins

1. D3 Federal Hocking 64-42 (7-6) maxprep #596
2. D2 Dover 37-36 (10-5) maxprep #200
3. D2 Cambridge 49-38 (7-7) maxprep #244
4. D2 Claymont 73-56 (8-7) maxprep #284
5. D2 Coshocton 68-63 (12-4) maxprep #116
6. D2 Athens 62-47 (7-7) maxprep #489
7. D2 Meadowbrook (1-13) maxprep #705

Marietta Losses

1. D1 Zanesville 52-47 (10-4) maxprep #105
2. D2 Coshocton 68-42 (12-4) maxprep #116
3. D4 Bishop Rosecrans 52-39 (10-3) maxprep #89
4. D2 New Phily 55-40 (10-4) maxprep #131
5. D2 New Phily 68-66 (10-4) maxprep #131
6. D2 Warren 44-39 (11-2) maxprep #94
7. D3 Belpre 73-65 (9-4) maxprep #373

I think there might be a few quality wins on that resume and also a few quality losses as well.

[jimmy chipwood]

Top 25 Scores

Chillicothe 44
Gahanna 65

Warren 72
New Lexington 47

Ironton 76
Russell 45

Logan Elm 44
WCH 36

Lucasville Valley 69
Portsmouth West 50

Waverly 59
Oak Hill 64

Eastern Brown 83
St. Patrick 59

Hillsboro 50
Miami Trace 55

Marietta 62
Cambridge 66

Circleville 50
Jackson 41

Unioto 60
Westfall 54

Sheridan 67
Morgan 31

Southeastern 48
Zane Trace 44

Minford 76
Northwest 30

Wheelersburg 48
South Webster 45

Belpre 50
Southern 47

[obpg]

How can a teams worst loss come to a team that is ranked higher than them? Are they not "expected" to lose that game? Also, Notre Dame needs to be ranked. They beat South Webster and have a great record.

[Jesco White]

Jimmy can certainly answer for himself, but my assumption would be this:

If your worst loss is to a team ranked higher than you, that tells me you simply have all "quality" losses. Saying "worst loss" doesn't mean he's calling them a bad team, nor does it mean the same as a "bad loss". That's just my interpretation.

[jimmy chipwood]

Jimmy can certainly answer for himself, but my assumption would be this:

If your worst loss is to a team ranked higher than you, that tells me you simply have all "quality" losses. Saying "worst loss" doesn't mean he's calling them a bad team, nor does it mean the same as a "bad loss". That's just my interpretation.

Exactly! A good example up until Tuesday night would have been Waverly. They lost to Ironton #5, Warren #4, and Valley #7 all ranked ahead of them. So who do you want me to put down as their worst loss? You gotta go with Valley being #7.

[theuglytruth]

Eastern brown below peebles even after they beat peebles?manchester not in top 25 but south webster is?manchester has had a rough season but deserve to be in top 25

Peebles is still the better team IMO. Cant wait till they play each other again later this season.

I can't wait either, should be a great game, but there arent many teams playing as good as ball is Eastern right now. They all seem to be buying in to Beucler's philosophies. At this point I would give the nod to Eastern Brown giving the win streak they are on and being that they beat Peebles in their only match-up.

[TribeManiac10]

Eastern brown below peebles even after they beat peebles?manchester not in top 25 but south webster is?manchester has had a rough season but deserve to be in top 25

Peebles is still the better team IMO. Cant wait till they play each other again later this season.

I can't wait either, should be a great game, but there arent many teams playing as good as ball is Eastern right now. They all seem to be buying in to Beucler's philosophies. At this point I would give the nod to Eastern Brown giving the win streak they are on and being that they beat Peebles in their only match-up.

The next match will decide a lot. League championship/potential #1 seed. Should be a fun one.

[jimmy chipwood]

If Chillicothe doesnt respond well this weekend at Portsmouth they will take a tumble in the rankings. What jumps out at me when looking at their season is the fact that they just dont score a lot of points. They have only scored 65+ twice all season. I guess I am used to the Chillicothe teams of the past that put inferior teams away early in the game and scored in the 70's and 80's. Anybody care to ellaborate.