Division 3 Tournament at Waverly Feb. 20 2012

[crazymidgets]

Isnt the draw done by votes from each team in the sectional? And the teams that are in the same leagues usually vote for their own thereby giving the league with the most teams in it a advantage in seedings? This was always my understanding of the seedings if Im wrong would some one clarify.

[danicalifornia]

That's how it works. Northwest is the odd man out and will decide every seed(since the SOC and SVC each have 5 teams). Has to be an awkward position to be in.

[eagles73Taylor]

^^^^^ I think you meant SHL vs SVC with Northwest being the deciding factor. With the Jackson sectional being stacked this year, only the 1 seed means anything and they get the 4 seed from Athens in the Waverly sectional IMO! lol I have sat through these voting procedures, they are fun to be a part of. The best part is the actual meeting that takes place in the parking lot before hand! lol

[crazymidgets]

Thats what i thought but i had seen a couple of posts about politicing and didnt really understand the only politicing is sending some gifts to northwest this yr eagle73 need to dig up some of those cans of moldy money the school system has buried away for emergency bribes lol

[JIMMY THE GREEK]

I'm told the leagues don't always stick together...sometimes its not wanting to play each other, while others is jealousy. Whatever the case may be, the system is not a fair one. Especially the past few seasons where the Athens Sectional was extremely weak. I'm not sure coaches even look at strength of schedule. In the past most SHL teams came in with excellent records vs a lot of D4 teams. Portsmouth plays a tough schedule, as well as Ironton, but the seeding doesn't reflect where they should really be. So Politics...oh yes...Parking lot meetings is where the real seeding takes place.

[Ironman92]

There have been many occasions where the SHL schools somehow get stuck facing each other....or an excellent SHL team conveniently getting to play Portsmouth in the sectional finals.

This year it is pivotal to avoid the Jackson sectional teams.

#1 is huge this year! Right now it's Peebles or Eastern Brown IMO....Piketon and Huntington with a shot at it as well.

[chef_piketon]

Doesn't strength of schedule play into it somehow. The Chef knows Piketon plays nearly all D2-D3 schools. The only D4 we play is Eastern who was 1st gm of Waverly Classic which can't be helped. I know Piketon has changed schedule little cause we don't play Greenfield/Hillsboro, Zanesville, and Mifflin anymore but replaced with solid D3 schools. Just wondering how it plays into things. In the NCAA it plays into seedings big time. If it don't then why wouldn't a strong D3 school load up on some of the smaller type schools who aren't real strong right now? Confused by the high school seeding process?

[Ironman92]

Sadly, it rarely does.

This year IMO it is a toss up between the top 4....I think Eastern Brown is playing the best followed closely by Peebles, Piketon and Huntington.

Strength of schedule rarely helped Portsmouth there.

Peebles and North Adams do have additional D4 matchups. Whiteoak, Manchester and Fairfield are talented D4 teams....Fayetteville has struggled but not anymore than Adena.

There are no powerhouses in the SHL or SVC and Peebles getting nipped at Southeastern open this up greatly.

The #1 is still to be decided in the next few games. IMO Eastern Brown's to lose but if Piketon doesn't lose more than Eastern Brown does and they'll get the vote.

[crazymidgets]

Piketon needs to win out which would mean a win over Peebles (giving them 2 losses to svc schools one being a mediocre Southeastern) that might be enough to jump them over Peebles but then Huntington needs to lose a couple of games and EB needs to lose, everyone wants to avoid the Jackson sect. and the 1 seed is where its at. Just want to see Piketon cut loose they just seem stuck in 3rd gear they play well for short stretches but just cant seem to find the next gear and its getting close to when teams need to start peaking. OPEN THE THROTTLE UP STREAKS

[eagles73Taylor]

Piketon plays Peebles after the sectional seeding vote, so that game wont matter in the seeding. Piketon has Unioto, Adena and Horizon Science Academy left before the vote. If they come in at 13-5 they should find themselves in the top 3 or 4, IMO.

[JIMMY THE GREEK]

If the Streaks 10-5 win out...A good argument would be strength of schedule. Lost to D2 Waverly, D2 Unioto on the road...then lost to probably the best D3 team in the SE District at Portsmouth and the Huntington losses. I say the Streaks has a legitimate shot at the #2 seed. Just depends on what happens the next two weeks.

Huntington 10-3 will have to win out to grab that #1 seed. The Westfall game was a very bad loss. They will have back to back tough road games coming up at Unioto and Miami Trace, then home vs. Zane Trace before the draw. 2 loses could possibly knocked them down to a #3 or #4 seed depending on what Peebles, EB, or Piketon does.

Peebles 12-2 in the drivers seat for #1 seed, but with three wins vs D4's, two vs. winless D3 West Union, and a win vs D3 Northwest (1-11), and losing to Southeastern (who Piketon beat twice) so how good are they? Games remaining Fayetteville, Paint Valley, Portsmouth, and EB. Drop two and good arguments between the leagues for the top spot could take place depending on how the others finish.

Eastern Brown 11-4 will be #4 seed depending on what everyone above does. Big game with Peebles coming up before the draw and a game tomorrow vs St. Patrick (Maysville, KY). Again the schedule is not the best, but a little stronger than Peebles in my opinion. At 10-4 the plot would thicken...others on the outside looking in is North Adams and Lynchburg.

[bman]

Strength of schedule not being a factor a lot of times in the seeding process is one of the weaknesses in the process, and honestly one of the reasons why the SE district struggles at some sports and the complaints of lack of success at times against other districts.

Team A plays up against higher division/better quality teams and goes 4-2 against its non-league schedule and finishes at 16-4.
Team B plays a soft non-league schedule and goes 6-0 and finishes at 18-2.

Team B will often get the first seed and A the second.

There should be incentive to challenge yourselves. Right now, the only incentive most of the time is to be better prepared for the tournament by facing different styles and tough teams.

I'd also break these three sectionals down to one super sectional and seed it top to bottom. I'd do the same thing in all divisions, in most sports.

[crazymidgets]

well was hoping the peebles game was before the draw could have opened it up a little! Well can still shoot for the svc title need a little help from someone to knock off huntington.

[Green and White]

Jimmy- If Piketon and Huntington have similar records wouldn't Huntington have the edge considering their two wins over the Red Streaks?

[Green and White]

I entered a post on this topic last night and it has never appeared. It certainly wasn't controversial. It was my first post on the forum. Does anyone know what might have happened.

[JIMMY THE GREEK]

Just hate to see Peebles get #1 seed based on record alone with a weak schedule. Take away Portsmouth (who they haven't played yet) and Eastern Brown...who did they beat? A couple of D4'S, and teams with 1 or 0 wins!

[TribeManiac10]

Just hate to see Peebles get #1 seed based on record alone with a weak schedule. Take away Portsmouth (who they haven't played yet) and Eastern Brown...who did they beat? A couple of D4'S, and teams with 1 or 0 wins!

They have also beat Ripley who would be a strong team in most conferences in the Southeast, North Adams who very nearly beat Eastern Brown the other night, and a good Lynchburg Clay team twice badily (a team that has beat Mclain, Miami Trace badly, Paint Valley by 22, and lost to Huntington by 9). Im not sure anyone can justify giving a team with 5 losses the #1 seed. Outside of their league what strong wins does Piketon have? The best I see is a win over an Eastern Pike team who just got beat by 20 by Zane Trace(who lost to Paint Valley yesterday by 5-Who got beat by Peebles by nearly 40 today). Piketon is a strong team and will be a tough out in the tournament but Peebles have earned their position to this point.

[streetballer]

Eastern brown deserves the 1 seed..right now they are playin some of the best basketball in se ohio in any division...I can see them makin a really deep run into the tourny

[TribeManiac10]

Eastern brown deserves the 1 seed..right now they are playin some of the best basketball in se ohio in any division...I can see them makin a really deep run into the tourny

The game this friday will determine the 1. If Peebles beats Eastern the series will be tied 1-1 and Peebles will have the better overall record. If Eastern wins they clearly deserve the #1.

[Ironman92]

I agree...winner of that game should be the #1