WELLSTON @ SOUTHERN

[93Bulldog]

Pretty sad night for wellston basketball

Were you their super trooper? Cause I know your an Eastern fan (and I am from Athens) ... Neither one of us is really from Southern - but probably share the same feelings by reading your post.

[Fan-o-Southern]

Uh, yea ... Pretty intresting night in Racine ... Physical probably isn't even the word to describe it!

You can say that again.

[Super trooper]

Yea I was there. And I couldn't believe how much wellston coaches had no control over their team

[93Bulldog]

No control is one thing ... Players emotions come out during games sometimes ... Doing nothing about it was the problem.

If a player for Vinton County, or Athens or Federal Hocking (to use just a couple of examples here) had a player or players act like that on the court ... Matt Combs, Jeff Skinner or Howie Caldwell would have yanked them off the floor, got up in the grill and they would have never saw the floor again the rest of the night ... It wouldn't even surprise me if they were just sent to the locker room ... But to just leave them in the game and say nothing to them when they did finally come to the bench (after fouling out) is, well, not good. IMO

[hardfowl]

Thanks for the updates Power 105. See you Friday.

[Super trooper]

I totally agree. And then the fans behind me were trying to start fights. I hope the players,coaches,and fans are a little better when eastern plays them

[BOO YAH]

I agree that this got ugly. Seemed like a few sour apples could ruin a talented group of kids. Did I see a kid try to rush the court from the wellston bench? Very heated match for some reason. I think Southern surprised the kids from wellston with how athletic they are and Southern handled the emotions to their advantage tonight.

[cool cucumber]

Big win for SHS! From what I heard Wellston players were pretty violent. Don't know the whole story but sounds like they thought they would dominate, got beat kinda bad and couldn't take it.. Oh well on to the next game, GO SOUTHERN!

[Rocketfan88]

Big win for SHS! From what I heard Wellston players were pretty violent. Don't know the whole story but sounds like they thought they would dominate, got beat kinda bad and couldn't take it.. Oh well on to the next game, GO SOUTHERN!

On 3 different occasions 3 different southern players rushed a wellston player on the court in front of officials and they were not thrown out of the game! on 2 of those occasions a fowl was not even called. 2 of the 3 officials had no business being on the court. Their intentions were influenced by the front row fans of southern.(the bib overall gang). Feel sorry for any team that has to travel to racine. The Rockets let their emotions get the best of them. And not to take anything from southerns b-ball team they are very talented, and very athletic. Southern will win games at home and on the road. Hope the Rockets dont have to travel to that venue again any time soon!

[93Bulldog]

I think the actions of the Southern players was only a 'reaction' to what was going on or already happened Rocketfan88 ... Up until about the 5 minute mark in the fourth quarter - neither team was in the bonus yet ... Things didn't get real ugly until Austin Craig reared back and threw the ball at Roseberry, who was lying on the floor ... That action sparked simmering emotions that was already brewing from the physicality of the game throughout ... But viewing the game as an outsider, the fouls were being called (or not being called) both ways fairly evenly ... There was no need for the Wellston players to get upset - Southern was dealing with the physical play by the Golden Rockets - but kept playing hard in the context of the basketball game ... The Wellston players on the other hand could not deal with the physical play of the Tornadoes and completely lost their heads.

(Honestly - I know my remarks seem harsh toward the Golden Rockets - but what I saw last night wasn't real good you know ... I really hope the Wellston players, team & coach learn a little from last night and maybe take a look at all the comments being made about them and grow from it ... I think they have a real good shot at getting a high seed in the DIII sectional, winning a game their - and a sectional title - and moving on to the Convo ... Don't waste what could be a great season by losing your heads during games - pull it together and get back to winning like you were doing before last night!)

[BB34]

IMO, this Southern team was the best team Wellston has faced this year. They are all quick, ran the floor well and did not miss very many of their 41 foul shots. They are a well coached team and had a good defensive plan to stop Wellston's down low scoring threat. As soon as Courts got the ball down low, he was surrounded by 4 players and had a hard time even passing the ball back out to open teammates. Yes, it was a physical game and yes, a few Wesllton players lost their cool and should have been sat down by their coach but you have to understand that this is his first year coaching high school ball and I am sure he will learn from this. As far as Austin Craig throwing the ball at Rosebury, from where I was siting, it looked like Craig got a hold of a loose ball and thought his momentum was going to take him out of bounds so he tried to throw the ball off a Southern player. Nothing wrong with that.

[Rocketfan95]

Apparently you were not at the same game or chose to ignore the actions of the Southern players as well. I spoke to some of the Wellston players after the game and they said even when they took the ball out fans from Southern said stuff to them. IMO that game was out of control not through any fault of the players but the refs. Calling petty fouls and ignoring the throwing of elbows upside the head and the attacks of players. As far as Austin, he is typically a very good defensive player but not aggressive. Apparently there was more going on than what you could see. I do know that one of the Southern players was dropping quite a few curse words and the refs chose to ignore that as well. Southern has a good team but of coarse they will get the advantage on their home court with the fans saying stuff to the opposing teams. Maybe you should know the kids who play for Wellston before assuming they were all at fault. Those kids are all very good kids.

[Super trooper]

I didn't have a ball with the boy throwing the ball off roseberry. If roseberry had been standing there wouldn't have been a problem with getting the ball thrown off him. But the foul where the boy pushed Martin into the stage and the jump ball when the wellston boy threw the southern boy onto the ground should have never happened. They were both by the same boy and wellstons coach didn't say a word to the boy. That's the only problem I had. I am also an outsider and I didn't think the refs were unfair to either team. The whole situation could have been avoided with a little discipline from wellston

[93Bulldog]

Usually, that play is fine (with the ball B1Minus) ... Depending on how you do it and how you act afterwards ... (1) Since the emotions were kind of running high for everyone, to reach back and throw it as hard as you can made it appear differently than just a normal 'throw it off a player before you go out of bounds play.' (Plus, when your throwing it off a player lying on the floor it doesn't warrant a full strength throw like it does if the player is standing.) ... (2) How you act afterward and your body language tells whether the act was 'malicious' or whether or not you were truly doing a 'basketball' play ... It didn't look like a basketball move from my vantage point, the look on the players face, his body language and walking away from the play with a 'smirk' on the face spoke a thousand words.

If a play like that happens between players who respect each other - its a totally different scenerio ... You see the player who threw the ball tell the other player something like "my bad man, I had to do it." ... You may see them help the other player off his feet - or just give him/her a pat on the back letting them know it wasn't malicious ... But still, you don't usually see the player actually throwing the ball as hard as he/she can if the other player is on the floor - its easy to just toss the ball and have it deflect off the player and go out of bounds.

[93Bulldog]

[quote="Rocketfan95"] Apparently you were not at the same game or chose to ignore the actions of the Southern players as well. I spoke to some of the Wellston players after the game and they said even when they took the ball out fans from Southern said stuff to them.[quote]

I was definitly at the same game and had a great view (right on top of the players standing on the stage) ... I seen everything that was happening under the basket - and yes, it was very physical - but like I said before, neither team was in the bonus mid-way into the fourth quarter ... Both teams were given room to be physical and both had only 5 or 6 team fouls called on them at the 5:00 minute mark in the 4th ... So why does Wellston lose their composure going down the stretch? I mean, you can't blame the crowd - that's part of being inside an opposing teams gymnasium ... I watched the Nelsonville-York team take extreme yelling and bashing from the Athens student section all night a few weeks back on the Plains - but it didn't seem to bother them ... They shut the crowd up with their play on the court by winning the game.

[George Jones]

I will give Roseberry credit for keeping his cool. The kid that threw the ball should have been thrown out of the game there is no place for that in high school basketball. It is a shame a very good game was ruined by the actions of a few. This game should be a game for all coaches to learn from STOP THE TRASH TALKING FROM PLAYERS. I'm sure both teams had a couple kids trash talking. It is a shame they ruin it for the kids who actually want to play the game. They also make their schools look bad.

[zipper1]

it sounds like wellston made a wrong turn i my self have never been at southern and hope to never go there the game was out of control from the start austin craig is a good kid and a good basketball player people make it sound like he committed a crime by playing the game if you can take the heat get off the court southern played just as dirty and the bib overhauls gang been ask to leave the building more than once i feel sorry for any one that plays in that gym wellston coach has done a good job jaw jabbering cost the rockets this game they are a much better team then what was at southern tonight word of advice bring bail money when you play at southern.as for the refs of the game you should be a shamed to say you did any kind of officiating....................................

[Super trooper]

The officials really weren't that bad

[George Jones]

Southern 10 20 14 23 67
Wellston 8 10 15 19 52





Enough said!

[Jim Ryan]

Any time a player comes off the bench onto the floor that should be a two game suspension. The same player did it twice. Throwing the ball off a player with the intend to try and cause harm is an automatic ejection. So zipper 1 you are lucky this crew of officials blew the calls on these two incidents or you would be minus a couple players.