Valley D-4 sectional

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jimmy chipwood wrote:
jimmy chipwood wrote:To go a little further into this whole strength of schedule debate. Im curious as to what some of you think Portsmouth East's record would be playing Fairfields schedule to this point? Be honest about it and just dont throw out a number, look at each team above and decide. Here is my opinion (and I think East has a nice team with good senior leadership). Wins = Manchester & West Union. Losses = SE, GM, NA, Hills, MT, ZT, EB, Peeb, EC, WCH. Chance = Ripley, Whiteoak (2x), Fay. So East's record playing this schedule would be somewhere between 6-10 to 2-14 - probably right around 3-13. This is why Fairfield/Whiteoak people complain year after year about the sectional draw.
This my post from page 3 of this topic. Nobody answered the question.
I've been waiting also.....

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Is there any chance of any huge upsets in this sectional. In the Meigs sectional the only upset would be if Pike or SV goes down (which if sv goes down it wouldnt shock me, maybe a lil suprising but not shocking). Any chance of top seeds going down in this sectional? ND vs Western could be interesting or East and Green or even Manchester and SW


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jimmy chipwood wrote:
jimmy chipwood wrote:To go a little further into this whole strength of schedule debate. Im curious as to what some of you think Portsmouth East's record would be playing Fairfields schedule to this point? Be honest about it and just dont throw out a number, look at each team above and decide. Here is my opinion (and I think East has a nice team with good senior leadership). Wins = Manchester & West Union. Losses = SE, GM, NA, Hills, MT, ZT, EB, Peeb, EC, WCH. Chance = Ripley, Whiteoak (2x), Fay. So East's record playing this schedule would be somewhere between 6-10 to 2-14 - probably right around 3-13. This is why Fairfield/Whiteoak people complain year after year about the sectional draw.
This my post from page 3 of this topic. Nobody answered the question.

I'll answer even though I missed this one the first time around. The SOC 1 has not been as good of a conference in the past several years(top to bottom) as the SHL? or SHAC? has been. Can someone please clarify what you are calling your conference now because it seems like you've changed it this season. Anyway through the past few years you've had more quality teams than in the SOC1. I think 90% of this is becuase you have a smaller overal league as far as numbers of schools. Meaning D3 and D4 teams playing each other more than is the SOC1, and just the same benefit that South Webster reaps, your D4 teams are typically better because of it. So your teams like Manchester and Leesburg Fairfield, play Peebles, North Adams, and Eastern Brown on a yearly basis(please correct me if I'm wrong).

I think the SOC 1 has been just as good as the SHL at the top in the past several years, but top to bottom your league has been better.

Now take the late 90's to early/mid 2000's when you had Whiteoak and Eastern Brown both make state trips. Your league was great at the top but I think during those years the SOC 1 was better top to bottom having more quality teams from the D4 aspect, having several different teams with deep tournament runs(Eastern,Green,SymmesValley). Cause it seems like you guys are considering your league much more as a whole against our SOC 1. Now if you want to throw in the SOC 1 and 2 against your entire conference, that can be a debate for a different day.


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SOCFan - u didnt answer the question. What would East's record be had they played the Fairfield schedule after 16 games. Did you actually look at the non-league schedule that Fairfield has played. What teams on that schedule do you think East would have beaten? What would their record be? I bet you could ask the coaches from Miami Trace, Hillsboro, WCH, Zane Trace, Peebles, Eastern Brown, North Adams, Southeastern, Greenfield, etc - who they would rather play between Fairfield and East. I think your answer would be unanimous.


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I'm pretty sure that Fairfield and Whiteoak is a better team than East, I'm not sure that's even a valid question, I guess I'd rather not waste my time stating the obvious. East would not have a 500 record if they played all of those D2 teams and others. East chooses to play teams out of conference that are weaker than most teams choose to play. Outside of South Webster, I'm not sure they have a descent team on their non conference schedule.

You SHL guys get all worked up because your teams at Valley end up in a 4-5 seed game every year. I would think you would know by now that it's coming. Mr. Lightle has been preaching this for weeks trying to prepare you emotionally for it but I guess it fell on deaf ears.


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As far as upsets I don't really see any, unless Webster beats Eastern if u wanna call that an upset based on seedings or East over Symmes. The ND vs Western game, as far as being interesting is false. I think the Titans beat them by 80+ points combined from both games this year. I think ND won by 48 at home and like 35 on the road. Nothing interesting about that. Besides I believe Clay will beat Western to play ND. They played ND decent at times. Props to the Panthers.


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TitanPride - Call it my Pike County bias, but I like the Indians over the Panthers in this matchup. Although I'm not sure what the games between the two were like this year?


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As far as seeding for SHL schools, I can understand how frustrating it must be for you guys to keep getting the shaft in this sectional, but Lightle and others are right u should be ready for it by now. And if WO, and FF are as good as people are proclaiming, it shouldn't matter their seed they should beat whoever they play if they're that good. Just my opinion.


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SOCFAN - hey we all have our opinions man. Haha. I believe that they spilt this season, not certain on that though. Western did impress me with a W over Symmes. Honestly I didn't think SV was that good, they just playe out of there mind against ND. I am basing my pick on the second games each played ND, which Clay obviously played better. But whoever does come out on top, it should be a heck of a play in game at that.


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TitanPride wrote:As far as seeding for SHL schools, I can understand how frustrating it must be for you guys to keep getting the shaft in this sectional, but Lightle and others are right u should be ready for it by now. And if WO, and FF are as good as people are proclaiming, it shouldn't matter their seed they should beat whoever they play if they're that good. Just my opinion.
Can't beat each other.


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I be honest I have not heard if the games are cancelled or not.


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And I'm not knocking anyone here but at touney time everyone is 0-0 !! Last year East beat New Boston in the #3 vs #6. And Notre Dame got upset at the Convo. Western,Clay everyone has a punchers chance this time of year. Just don't be quick to dismiss a team based on regular season come March there's Madness in the air !


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TitanPride wrote:As far as seeding for SHL schools, I can understand how frustrating it must be for you guys to keep getting the shaft in this sectional, but Lightle and others are right u should be ready for it by now. And if WO, and FF are as good as people are proclaiming, it shouldn't matter their seed they should beat whoever they play if they're that good. Just my opinion.
Agreed, but the point is they are playing each other. No matter what one team is knocked out.

But your right it really is pointless to get worked up over it at this point.


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it is what it is and you have to accept it and move forward. it is a rivalry game and both teams should be at the top of their game. it is a shame that their fans have to drive all the way to valley to watch it.


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Didn't Manchester make it to the regionals last season from the 4-5 seed? The cream will rise to the top!

But, I can see the SHL frustration as well. I think they need to schedule more games with SOC1 solid schools (typically ND, Symmes Valley, Eastern Pike, (Green in the past) so they have head-to-head results within their sectional. The only game we have is ND pounding WO.
Eastern Pike now has a very difficult rode in the tourney. Southern had the same draw last year. It is crazy for any #2 seed to have an easier draw than a #1 seed. This problem will not go away without changes being made to the system.
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Only answer is a super sectional .


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lightle04 wrote:Only answer is a super sectional .
THIS


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Here is the super sectional just pretty much going by records at the draw and not really even considering strength of schedule.

1. Eastern Pike
2. Notre Dame
3. East
4. South Webster
5. Whiteoak
6. Symmes Valley
7. Fairfield
8. Trimble
9. Southern
10. Miller
11. Eastern Meigs
12. Green
13. Waterford
14. Ironton St Joe
15. Manchester
16. South Gallia
17. Western Pike
18. Clay
19. New Boston

#14 ISJ vs #19 NB (VALLEY)
#15 Manchester vs #18 Clay (VALLEY)
#16 South Gallia vs #17 Western Pike (VALLEY)

#1 Eastern Pike vs #16/17 game winner (VALLEY)
#9 Southern vs #8 Trimble (ATHENS)

#4 South Webster vs #13 Waterford (ATHENS)
#5 Whiteoak vs #12 Green (VALLEY)

#3 East vs #14/#19 winner (VALLEY)
#6 Symmes Valley vs #11 Eastern Meigs (ATHENS)

#2 Notre Dame vs #15/18 winner (VALLEY)
#7 Fairfield vs #10 Miller (ATHENS)


There you go folks....the SE District Super Sectional and game sites.


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Ironman92 wrote:Here is the super sectional just pretty much going by records at the draw and not really even considering strength of schedule.

1. Eastern Pike
2. Notre Dame
3. East
4. South Webster
5. Whiteoak
6. Symmes Valley
7. Fairfield
8. Trimble
9. Southern
10. Miller
11. Eastern Meigs
12. Green
13. Waterford


14. Ironton St Joe
15. Manchester
16. South Gallia
17. Western Pike
18. Clay
19. New Boston

#14 ISJ vs #19 NB (VALLEY)
#15 Manchester vs #18 Clay (VALLEY)
#16 South Gallia vs #17 Western Pike (VALLEY)

#1 Eastern Pike vs #16/17 game winner (VALLEY)
#9 Southern vs #8 Trimble (ATHENS)

#4 South Webster vs #13 Waterford (ATHENS)
#5 Whiteoak vs #12 Green (VALLEY)

#3 East vs #14/#19 winner (VALLEY)
#6 Symmes Valley vs #11 Eastern Meigs (ATHENS)

#2 Notre Dame vs #15/18 winner (VALLEY)
#7 Fairfield vs #10 Miller (ATHENS)


There you go folks....the SE District Super Sectional and game sites.
Looks great,I would love it this way!


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