FUTURE OF LOGAN BASKETBALL

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Chieftain2009 wrote:With all things considered, it was a successful year. But, will be losing the big man in the middle and Cox another starter to graduation. When I said "in the house" maybe someone who coaches the opposite sex.
I don't really understand what you are getting at. You acknowledge the success, but you feel the coach should be replaced anyway?

The results this year didn't mean anything because you just don't like the coach (so it was never really about results) or you just don't believe that the coach was responsible for the success? Or something else?


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From what I am hearing it has nothing to do with wins and loses, rather the way the coaches allow the players to act on the court with no fear of repercussions from any of the coaches. Such as the big kid getting technical fouls and not coming out of the game.


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Chieftain2009 wrote:With all things considered, it was a successful year. But, will be losing the big man in the middle and Cox another starter to graduation. When I said "in the house" maybe someone who coaches the opposite sex.
I thought that was who you meant.I agree it is hard to argue with the results.I just wonder how long they will be at Logan ?


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eaglesrock wrote:From what I am hearing it has nothing to do with wins and loses, rather the way the coaches allow the players to act on the court with no fear of repercussions from any of the coaches. Such as the big kid getting technical fouls and not coming out of the game.
That makes sense. Being from Warren, you can imagine my view on some of the things that occurred between our schools. Without saying who is right or wrong on every detail, I can certainly understand if some folks at Logan weren't pleased with some of the representations.


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enigmaax, I am in now way disappointed with the results of my alma mater's basketball program this year! I agree with the rest of you on the representation of the school wasn't done well. Back when I played, you get 1 technical you sit for 2 games. There is no discipline in the program unfortunately. I am in no way saying the coach is a bad person or anything like that, I just personally haven't liked the way it was handled.


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LACK OF CONTROL


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hoops76 wrote:He has red hair, LOL
which one?? pat and greg are both red headed. why wouldnt we go outside the system and get someone with no ties to logan?
getting rid of just helber is not changing anything. the mentality of the coaching staff has to change. if your star player is kill your team he not your star player. and pulling kids up to play jv and varsity from the freshmen team isnt helping anyone!THEY ARENT LEBRON JAMESES. THEY ARENT GOING TO HELP THE TEAM WIN ANYTHING SO STOP DOING IT!! let them develop with kids theyre age! logan has 12 other kids setting or riding the bench!!! 1 jv player transfered out of logan after last season. 4 jv and varsity were thinking about quitting mid-season this yr. next yr as many as 6 from this season jv team are most likely not playing...... or not playing for logan........ hint traveling to coach Blevins.
HELLO McFLY!!!! THERE IS A PROBLEM!!!


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1987chieftains wrote:
hoops76 wrote:He has red hair, LOL
which one?? pat and greg are both red headed. why wouldnt we go outside the system and get someone with no ties to logan?
getting rid of just helber is not changing anything. the mentality of the coaching staff has to change. if your star player is kill your team he not your star player. and pulling kids up to play jv and varsity from the freshmen team isnt helping anyone!THEY ARENT LEBRON JAMESES. THEY ARENT GOING TO HELP THE TEAM WIN ANYTHING SO STOP DOING IT!! let them develop with kids theyre age! logan has 12 other kids setting or riding the bench!!! 1 jv player transfered out of logan after last season. 4 jv and varsity were thinking about quitting mid-season this yr. next yr as many as 6 from this season jv team are most likely not playing...... or not playing for logan........ hint traveling to coach Blevins.
HELLO McFLY!!!! THERE IS A PROBLEM!!!
Sounds like the problem is less talented upper classmen can't handle being passed over by freshmen. They clearly aren't mentally tough and I'm sure Logan will be fine without them.


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Hope another 6'8 kid moves in


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danicalifornia wrote:
1987chieftains wrote:
hoops76 wrote:He has red hair, LOL
which one?? pat and greg are both red headed. why wouldnt we go outside the system and get someone with no ties to logan?
getting rid of just helber is not changing anything. the mentality of the coaching staff has to change. if your star player is kill your team he not your star player. and pulling kids up to play jv and varsity from the freshmen team isnt helping anyone!THEY ARENT LEBRON JAMESES. THEY ARENT GOING TO HELP THE TEAM WIN ANYTHING SO STOP DOING IT!! let them develop with kids theyre age! logan has 12 other kids setting or riding the bench!!! 1 jv player transfered out of logan after last season. 4 jv and varsity were thinking about quitting mid-season this yr. next yr as many as 6 from this season jv team are most likely not playing...... or not playing for logan........ hint traveling to coach Blevins.
HELLO McFLY!!!! THERE IS A PROBLEM!!!
Sounds like the problem is less talented upper classmen can't handle being passed over by freshmen. They clearly aren't mentally tough and I'm sure Logan will be fine without them.
no, the talent is there.


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In most cases talent cannot get bye in every quarter. Coaching must be there too. When talent alone is being out coached it needs coached.


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Logan had one of their best seasons in recent years and throughout the entire year the "Experts" said nothing about how well they played. Logan lost some close games but competed in every game they played with the exception of Unioto. Yet the "Experts" never praised never said anything positive because how could they? That would go against everything this entire thread was started for. Logan has progressively gotten better the last three years each year, they have shown improvement on the court and at the lower levels from top to bottom. That's called developing a program. The 8th grade class went 25-0 in 2 years, the freshman class now have a great coach to get them ready for the next level, and the entire staff is solid and sound. Logan had on the on court issues with a kid who averaged 20/10 every single game. You tell me, if you, as a coach, had a kid who averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds on the court, how would you handle the "issues?" Because two of the issues were bogus. He yelled in excitement after a dunk at nobody and they T'ed him up. He yelled "AND 1!" after a foul and they T'ed him up. The Warren game was the only real issue but when the student section is on the floor the whole game, that whole situation could of been avoided had the officials took control early on in the game. But if the "big kid" was the cancer, the cancer is graduating. Logan has three quality starters back and another big post player who played quite a bit this past year. So 4 kids who can play well and play well together, with a lot of younger talent on the way.
danicalifornia wrote:
1987chieftains wrote:
hoops76 wrote:He has red hair, LOL
which one?? pat and greg are both red headed. why wouldnt we go outside the system and get someone with no ties to logan?
getting rid of just helber is not changing anything. the mentality of the coaching staff has to change. if your star player is kill your team he not your star player. and pulling kids up to play jv and varsity from the freshmen team isnt helping anyone!THEY ARENT LEBRON JAMESES. THEY ARENT GOING TO HELP THE TEAM WIN ANYTHING SO STOP DOING IT!! let them develop with kids theyre age! logan has 12 other kids setting or riding the bench!!! 1 jv player transfered out of logan after last season. 4 jv and varsity were thinking about quitting mid-season this yr. next yr as many as 6 from this season jv team are most likely not playing...... or not playing for logan........ hint traveling to coach Blevins.
HELLO McFLY!!!! THERE IS A PROBLEM!!!
Sounds like the problem is less talented upper classmen can't handle being passed over by freshmen. They clearly aren't mentally tough and I'm sure Logan will be fine without them.
I agree with this so much. The bottom line is either work harder to play more or accept your roll as a roll player and help the team. If not as Coach Rich Bell used to say "There's the door." As for the kids who choose not to stay, whether it is Helber or any other coach, I am sure they would all agree they aren't going to BEG any kid to stay or play if they choose not to. They have many many kids who believe in what they are trying to do and believe in the system.

Judas Priest how about letting the staff and the team enjoy the run they had before you start claiming its "Time for a Change" AGAIN!?!?
enigmaax wrote:
Chieftain2009 wrote:With all things considered, it was a successful year. But, will be losing the big man in the middle and Cox another starter to graduation. When I said "in the house" maybe someone who coaches the opposite sex.
I don't really understand what you are getting at. You acknowledge the success, but you feel the coach should be replaced anyway?

The results this year didn't mean anything because you just don't like the coach (so it was never really about results) or you just don't believe that the coach was responsible for the success? Or something else?

Its always something else. It will always be something else.


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enigmaax wrote:After Logan exceeded expectations this past season, are they actually looking for a "solution" or is it just people still being negative with no regard for results? (As in, NOTHING would have ever changed their minds about the coach.)

Early on this thread it was all doom and gloom (something like, "be lucky to win 10 games" as an example). Yet, Logan came through its tough schedule with double the amount of wins over the previous year and forged a tie for 2nd in the league (doesn't seem like many people had them anywhere near Portsmouth's level). I know they played some good teams close, including having Warren on the ropes on the road. Was this not considered a successful campaign?


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When your Superintendent is an incompetent D Bag who knows what will happen


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You guys had the answer when you hired old koondogger. He would have already made a deep tourny run by now.


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Any changes as of yet, or will they wait until after next year!


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Haven't heard a single thing about this yet, guessing they will stay with what they have for another year.


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LHS 72 wrote:Any changes as of yet, or will they wait until after next year!
the word im hearing is nothing is changing.........


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Again the question HAS to be asked:
Why would any admin seek a change?!?!? Logan is coming off their best season under the current coach. The staff in place has more experience, including the second best girls varsity coach in terms of wins in LHS history, the class of 2019 just finished 28-0 in two years, Logan has 4 returning starters in 2015 with tons of talent, it would be a complete slap in the face to the staff, the kids and the program to fire a guy over nothing. There are zero grounds to even talk about it.

Enjoy the summer.


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Logan grad wrote:Again the question HAS to be asked:
Why would any admin seek a change?!?!? Logan is coming off their best season under the current coach. The staff in place has more experience, including the second best girls varsity coach in terms of wins in LHS history, the class of 2019 just finished 28-0 in two years, Logan has 4 returning starters in 2015 with tons of talent, it would be a complete slap in the face to the staff, the kids and the program to fire a guy over nothing. There are zero grounds to even talk about it.

Enjoy the summer.
I would definitely not say "zero grounds" the coaches had no control over the players they coached. There is a lot of talent coming in with the incoming freshman class, not losing a game in 2 years, probably 2 or 3 of them going to be moved to varsity. There are 3 returning starters from last year not 4.


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